Fight AADP's Petition to Abolish or Revise Indiana Code (IC 9-30-9-2)

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John Smith

Morgan Hill, CA

#1 May 2, 2008
The citizens of Allen County, Indiana are forced to put the drug "Antabuse" in their system following a second D.U.I. arrest without even being convicted of a crime. After conviction of the D.U.I. a person could serve anywhere from 3 to 6 years on the AADP (Alcohol Abuse Deterrent Program) being forced fed a drug which attacks the liver much like alcohol does. Their forced sobriety is risking the health of every individual on the program. The courts continue to sentence people to AADP and AADP continues to poison and ignore its clients health problems. The only reason this facility is allowed to remain in business is because of the Indiana Code (IC 9-30-9-2) that was slipped through with minimal press in 1991 and driven by Judge Ryan of Allen County. We need to abolish or revise this Indiana Code to keep facilities like AADP from hurting people and their families whether it be medically or financially. Please sign this petition to abolish or revise Indiana Code (IC 9-30-9-2) and stop the shameless poisoining of thousands of Indiana citizens for profit. www.fightaadp.bravehost.com
SNIDER1997

Chicago, IL

#2 May 4, 2008
Guess they should not drink and drive!! I would rather people who are stupid enough to drink and drive be on Anti Abuse then my kids get hit by a drunk driver and killed!
John Smith

Morgan Hill, CA

#3 May 4, 2008
Thats why this country in in such shambles! Its because of this type of thinking that our rights and laws are twisted or taken away. Who cares if people are being poisoned as long as my kids don't get hit by a drunk driver, very self centered. There are ways of monitoring alcohol use without poisoning people and if you had some moral fiber about yourself, your comments would have been a little different. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who think the way you do. Please visit www.fightaadp.bravehost.com to be fully informed about this facility and the options that are available. We never said people should be drinking and driving, but a more humane punishment would be more appropriate. Besides, what is even more disturbing is that child molesters get a less severe punishment than a social drinker. Shame, shame, shame on our court system!
SNIDER1997

Chicago, IL

#4 May 5, 2008
So it is ok for your drunk ass to run over people? Go sober up! Stop getting DUI's and breaking the law.........let alone putting OTHER peoples life in danger! You want to harm YOURSELF do it in the privacy of YOUR home and dont put OTHER peoples lives at risk! Till you can get that thru YOUR HEAD you need to be on anti-abuse!
SNIDER1997

Chicago, IL

#5 May 5, 2008
FYI~

"Who cares if people are being poisoned as long as my kids don't get hit by a drunk driver, very self centered. "

Not self centered...a law abiding citizen who's kids deserve to be able to play outside and not get hit by a law~breaking idiot. You are willing to risk peoples lives by driving drunk REPEATLY. Would not stop.........anti~abuse does not go into effect till the SECOND DUI arrest. You didn't get the hint the first time.......or didn't care so the state HAD to make you obey the law somehow. I do agree with your take on child molesters though.........they need to be castrated IMO. Then we would not have to worry about them being repeat offenders.
John Smith

Downers Grove, IL

#6 May 5, 2008
Why so angry? I think we can be civilized, maybe. Anyways, there are many better ways to keep people from risking the lives of others, drinking and driving without poisoning and killing the people who have made mistakes. What about treatment? The people who may have a problem with alcohol are not getting any and what happens when they get off AADP, right back to drinking! The antabuse doesn't even solve anything, it just makes your kid 3 years older when they are ran over. And by the way, you don't have to refer to me like i'm some drunk crazed maniac intent on killing people with my vehicle and now taking antabuse. I am passionate about this because
I hate to see good people flushed down the toilet for nothing other than money. I am observing this dilema from the outside.
John Smith

Downers Grove, IL

#7 May 5, 2008
Also, why are you acting like I'm on antabuse. Do you know me, I think not. I am a regular citizen and I would point out any injustice wherever found.

PS: Your right, its not fair that drunk people kill innocents, but make the punishment fit the crime. Death seems a little harsh (for people who have taken no lives). Now, vehicular homicide is totally different story.
Kristi

Valparaiso, IN

#8 May 5, 2008
For one Snider, I dont know what type of parent would be allowing their child to play outside on the road.
Fight AADP

Downers Grove, IL

#9 May 5, 2008
I'll add to that as well. Why are your kids playing in the STREET from 12am to 3:30am in the morning considering thats when 95 percent of the D.U.I.s occur. I wish that I would have thought of that, right on Kristi.
SNIDER1997

Chicago, IL

#10 May 5, 2008
My kids do not play on the street.......... and drunks do not only drink between midnight and 3am. The kids do not have to be in the street playing to be hit....what happens when someone plows into a car the kids are riding in? One drunk wreck is one too many. To John, you are correct, my apolgizes. It is just a sore issue with me due to the fact my ex-hu8sband is an drunk. I assumed you where on it and i do apolgize. I admit they need to find a "anti~abuse" that does not harm the users health, but as far as the cost and taking the drug I believe there are people out there who REFUSE to be responsible and the goverment has to force them after a certain point to buck up and live by the law.It is just sad that people are willing to put other peoples lives in danger by being so stupid!
Fight AADP

Downers Grove, IL

#11 May 5, 2008
I understand your plight, as far as knowing someone who is alcoholic. My sympathy goes out to you and your family. Just to set the record straight, the argument with us is not whether drunk driving is good or bad or even how many times someone has done it (in our opinion its all bad), but come up with an alternative that builds people up, not tear them down. I have heard so many success stories of people who have changed their lives for the better who have been abusing alcohol in their lives. I have not heard any of these people say AADP helped them. OK, what would be better? A person gets a D.U.I. they get on antabuse at AADP, then they lose their job, they cannot drive, they are financially raped to death by drug testing that isn't even accurate, they get hardy any actual treatment or education on what can happen drunk driving, they get pissed at the system, they get off antabuse 3 to 6 years later, maybe. Do you think this person will drink again. YES. I've seen it time and time again. Now imagine for a moment that Fort Wayne quit spending astronomical amounts of money on worthless shit like a park for a no talent baseball team etc; and actually put some money into educating and treating these people and not charging them the equivelent of a brand new mustang and when they cannot pay violating them. Help them and you'll have less D.U.I. fatalities in the future. The problem is, what happens when AADP goes away? Now you have all these people that you've taken a dump on all these years and the current drunk drivers as well. In my opinion Fort Wayne is heading for a D.U.I. disaster.
Myself

Loves Park, IL

#12 May 5, 2008
Look your both right in the same instance. Your arguement for antabuse is pretty lossely based. AAPD as an idea is not a bad concept. The way that AADP is run is. The reason AADP is a voluntary program is that you can choose weather or not to be on antabuse or go to prison. The reason people go on antabuse is that they are repeat offenders and the punishment for that offense is a three to six year prison term that you can serve outside of prison walls but you must give up some of your freedom and money. If you went to prison you would lose your job and not only be finacially raped but also possibly physically raped. You do have justification in your plight to take down the Buse but you have to understand if you were a repeat Grand Theft offender of Drug trader or burglry offender you don't get an alternative program you go straight to prison no questions asked.
Fight AADP

Downers Grove, IL

#13 May 5, 2008
We are not talking about freedom and money though. I get tired of saying this. AADP is not supposed to be legal. AADP is NOT following the Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) which is a guideline that everyone in the medical field is supposted to reference when practicing medicine. "Anatabuse is only to be used as a last resort on a person who is harming themselves physically and they will die otherwise from consuming alcohol". AADP is prescribing this terrible drug to thousands of people who are social drinkers, not alcoholics. AADP claims you are an alcoholic if you have 2 or more D.U.I.'s, this is considered a misdiagnosis and in turn misprescribing medicine. There are ways to see if someone is truly an alcoholic and AADP does none of this testing (they would be out of business if they did because most of these people are social drinkers). A bunch of powerful people in Allen County were able to start this legalized medical malpractice!!! And what about being punished before found guilty, isn't this against the contitution? The only time your supposed to be monitored is when you have a trial date and they want to make sure your not getting into anymore trouble. I don't know..... all I know is the medical attributes of why AADP is open and its not being done in the right way.
Fight AADP

Downers Grove, IL

#14 May 5, 2008
Also, I will add that I know countless people who tell the judge that they want to go to jail and do their time. You know what the judge says, NO. They send them straight to AADP. Even the ones who, by the grace of God, get to go to jail instead of antabuse, get dumped out of jail straight back to antabuse. "Its all about the money".
Myself

Loves Park, IL

#15 May 5, 2008
Listen you are saying things that the FDA already knows but since the AADP calls itself a pilot program they do not need to follow the PDR. They consider the antabuse program as an experimental program and use the wording correctly to get the system. It is however a money making program. However social drinkers who continue to drink and drive don't neccisarily have to be alcoholics. But they do have to obey the law as do anyone who drinks and drives alcoholic or not. The thing about antabuse is that young people in Allen county know what the reprocussions of thier actions when they drink and drive. I DID as I was administered the drug for three years of my life and the entire time I was on it I fought it in every way shape or form. But at the end of the day I could not blame anybody but me for having to be onthe program. I chose to drink and drive and break the law and I still did it. By the way I am not an alcoholic. But I stayed out of prision and I also had my felony reduced to a misdemenor at the completion of the program. But for all the 300 people still on the program you were not FORCED to operate your vehicle after a night a partying. You make the choice to get behind the wheel. The truth of the reality is is that we all knew the reprocussions...we just kept telling ourselves that we wre cool to drive. I feel for your fight and I support your cause but your arguement again is loosely based...people on antabuse had a choice...they made the wrong one as did I. There is always a price to pay when you continuely break the law. I did my time and it let me think. I will never do this again. Its not worth it.
Myself

Loves Park, IL

#16 May 5, 2008
sorry 3000 people
Myself

Loves Park, IL

#17 May 5, 2008
So by the way what do you think would be a better form of punishment. Do you think that people should go to prison then? Do you really think that all 3000 people would take the 3 year prison sentence? Would that be a better choice. Or do you think a ten year lisence suspension would be better. What do you recommend....Another slap on the wrist. Anyway you shape it you have to be punished. What do you think should happen to repeat offenders then?
John Smith

Morgan Hill, CA

#18 May 5, 2008
Interlock system, Work Release, Home detention, Alcohol Monitor, anything but poison! A second D.U.I. offender, at least most of them have not killed anyone and probably never will. Give them less time than a person who has molested a child. Its kind of a slap in the face to everyone when you give someone like that less time than a person who has hurt no one with no intent. Also, educate and treat, these people would be thanking the government for what it has done for them, by making them productive citizens.
John Smith

Morgan Hill, CA

#19 May 5, 2008
No argument about it being the individuals fault, but on the other hand, we don't cut hands off theives. I know someone right now that is having very bad medical problems on antabuse. I know for a fact that the problems he is having are real. When he said something to AADP all they did was test the hell out of him charge him for it and say he was faking it even though he had documented proof from his doctor. He got an attorney and went to the prosecutor and still nothing has happened while he gets sicker and sicker. It just makes my heart heavy for those with legitimate problems to be ignored. When this gentleman dies AADP will still claim it was something other than antabuse and continue to poison the rest. It really makes me sick to know this information. Besides let the punishment fit the crime, you have to look for intent. Without that, a merger of punishment and education should be should be in order which is appropriate. This is why there in all kinds of charges for murder, its all about intent. A person who's BAC is 2.0, fine put the screws to him, but a person who blows 0.8 gets the same punishment as the completely irresponsible person blowing 2.0. This doesn't make sense to me. Oh, by the way, I am not really arguing with you, I do think you have some valid points.
Summitarian

League City, TX

#20 May 5, 2008
I ran across this subject in another forum. For the sake of brevity I've simply done a cut & paste of my opinion as expressed there.

A thoroughly worthy petition.
NO ONE, having not first been proven according to the applicable code to be incompetent, should be forced by any means whatsoever to submit to the administration of ANY SUBSTANCE without their express consent!

The drug is after all only one tool in treatment of alcohol abuse, and a temporary one at that. After seeming successful completion of program, and the cessation of the drug, an individual is free to abuse again should they so chose.

The only indispensable factor in any such program is the sincerity of the participant. No drug administered as a tool of enforcement can ever replace that. The truly motivated participant can determine through counseling if this or any other drug would be of benefit if the program offered it on a PURELY VOLUNTARY basis.

It's called free will, or personal choice , or owning your own body, or whatever you choose. The forced administration of the drug is called (in my mind) rape via tablet.

So goes my opinion, now - LOOSE THE DOGS!

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