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Salt n light

Lorena, TX

#1 Jun 20, 2011
The downside of socialism is that sooner or later the other peoples money runs out.....

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#2 Jun 21, 2011
Salt n light wrote:
The downside of socialism is that sooner or later the other peoples money runs out.....
You're totally correct, it's the fundamental flaw of socialism.........
Salt n light

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Jun 21, 2011
It appears to me that unless you have a dead set agenda for socialism, which I believe some people do, the people who want the handouts aren't really smart enough to realize that this type of government hurts everyone eventually.

The sad thing is that at this point in the game, anyone who can justify supporting the democratic party has to be a socialist at heart. That's really sad. My family has been for the democrats over time up until recently. This has changed over the last couple of decades. It seems that the liberal blight has taken over the dems.

It's hard to understand the changes our country is going through. This country was always the greatest country on earth, now were destroying ourselves from the inside.
Why are we the people allowing it?
BILL

Oklahoma City, OK

#4 Jun 25, 2011
Salt n light wrote:
It appears to me that unless you have a dead set agenda for socialism, which I believe some people do, the people who want the handouts aren't really smart enough to realize that this type of government hurts everyone eventually.
The sad thing is that at this point in the game, anyone who can justify supporting the democratic party has to be a socialist at heart. That's really sad. My family has been for the democrats over time up until recently. This has changed over the last couple of decades. It seems that the liberal blight has taken over the dems.
It's hard to understand the changes our country is going through. This country was always the greatest country on earth, now were destroying ourselves from the inside.
Why are we the people allowing it?
We are allowing it because the people recieving the handouts will be in the streets screaming to the top of thier lungs at the first sign of it being taken away while the rest of us who think it should be stopped will post a comment on topix that will be seen by only a few. I am guilty.
Salt n light

Red Oak, TX

#5 Jun 26, 2011
Yes and another spin on that is that the corrupt politicians know that they can promise handouts and get votes. This is what happens to democracies in the end. The populous gets fat and lazy and politicians get corrupt and the barbarian neighbors take them over. It would be nice if america was governed by Americans instead of puppets of world bankers.
These banker people are systematically crashing our economy so that the new world order agendas can be followed. When it comes to fruition it appears that they will establish a new cyber currency where every transaction will be taxed and the bankers will get a cut. It's interesting that we have the tech for this at our fingertips. It sounds a lot like things that one can read about in revelation. Kinda blows your mind when ya think about the fact that someone wrote about these things thousands of years before the tech was there.....it almost sounds.....inspired!
Salt n light

Red Oak, TX

#6 Jun 26, 2011
Kindof interesting that most people on the street can quote you esoteric statistics about football players but will call you crazy when you mention the fact that our dollar is slowly crashing in value.

It's my understanding that gold has kept it's relative value over history. It took the same number of gold coins in the late 1970's to buy a sportscar that it takes today.
At that time the dollar would buy 1/250 of an ounce of gold. Today a dollar will buy 1/1500 of an ounce of gold. This is a result of the fact that we went off the gold standard years ago. Our fearless leader and mr bernankie has been printing fiat currency at the tune of trillions of dollars in bailouts which has done nothing less than further devaluate the dollar. Freaky thing is ...this is happening worldwide. The international bankers are purposefully crashing world economies. Does this sound like a plan......well.......

Should this be making the hard working citizens of the united states blood boil?
Or ahould we just worship mr A Rod and the rap stars and call people conspiracy theorists while we vote our hands into the public coffers and raise three kinds of heck when our food stamps get cut? I vote for the blood boil thing...
Salt n light

Taylors, SC

#7 Jul 17, 2011
Do you guys realize that mr Timothy geithner recently said that our country is about to enter a time of hardship unlike any this nation has ever seen..........planned?

Geithner is the past chairman of the federal reserve bank

“Thar's a new sheriff in town..”

Since: Jan 09

Frogville

#8 May 7, 2012
Salt n light wrote:
The downside of socialism is that sooner or later the other peoples money runs out.....
And in all my years I haven't met a right-winger who could give me the correct, most basic definition of socialism. In EVERY case it is a scary word told to them by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Fox "News."

Most right-wingers wouldn't know a socialist if he came up an bit them on the ass.....

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Since: Sep 10

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#9 May 8, 2012
PANTSONFIRE wrote:
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And in all my years I haven't met a right-winger who could give me the correct, most basic definition of socialism. In EVERY case it is a scary word told to them by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Fox "News."
Most right-wingers wouldn't know a socialist if he came up an bit them on the ass.....
That's right, since a Socialist merely supports or advocates Socialism.

Which, by the way is: A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

I may not know one, before he bites me on the ass, however; it doesn't take you or Glenn Beck for me to realize, what the hell is going on?

On the other hand, I am yet to meet a crazy - ass liberal that will actually admit that "social" programs are a form of "soft" tyranny or "soft" socialism, either, since; you generally negate the fact, that money is being taken from one social class and merely given to another social class. Hence; the providing class and recipient class. You don't call it socialism, since; it is taken incrementally by the government, however; without legislated, government stealing, nobody would be willing to give half of their belongings to a complete and utter stranger.

So, for Social Programs to be successful and actually exist, regardless if their solvent, politicians must steal from one sector of the population and give it to another sector (less fortunate) of the population. However; they don't do if for good, they do it for votes and you're too damn stupid and wrapped up in your ideology to even admit that it occurs and somehow you rationalize that social programs are essential for a mature, complex society.

Bullshit!

You can argue your points with me, I will break every argument that you present, with rational, Conservative principles.

You on the other hand, cannot rationally argue, since; your brand of politics, require stealing, everyday to flourish. Either you're an idiot or don't have any assets or you would abandon your 5th grade politics?

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

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#10 May 8, 2012
BILL wrote:
<quoted text>We are allowing it because the people recieving the handouts will be in the streets screaming to the top of thier lungs at the first sign of it being taken away while the rest of us who think it should be stopped will post a comment on topix that will be seen by only a few. I am guilty.
Yes, the recipient class votes and politicians know it.

That's the problem, lack of pride and willingness to be a member of the recipient class..........

“Thar's a new sheriff in town..”

Since: Jan 09

Frogville

#11 May 8, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right, since a Socialist merely supports or advocates Socialism.
Which, by the way is: A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
I may not know one, before he bites me on the ass, however; it doesn't take you or Glenn Beck for me to realize, what the hell is going on?
On the other hand, I am yet to meet a crazy - ass liberal that will actually admit that "social" programs are a form of "soft" tyranny or "soft" socialism, either, since; you generally negate the fact, that money is being taken from one social class and merely given to another social class. Hence; the providing class and recipient class. You don't call it socialism, since; it is taken incrementally by the government, however; without legislated, government stealing, nobody would be willing to give half of their belongings to a complete and utter stranger.
So, for Social Programs to be successful and actually exist, regardless if their solvent, politicians must steal from one sector of the population and give it to another sector (less fortunate) of the population. However; they don't do if for good, they do it for votes and you're too damn stupid and wrapped up in your ideology to even admit that it occurs and somehow you rationalize that social programs are essential for a mature, complex society.
Bullshit!
You can argue your points with me, I will break every argument that you present, with rational, Conservative principles.
You on the other hand, cannot rationally argue, since; your brand of politics, require stealing, everyday to flourish. Either you're an idiot or don't have any assets or you would abandon your 5th grade politics?
Well, well, well! I AM impressed! You are, indeed, the first yokel I've run across who could give the classic defintion of socialism!

A socialist governmental system owns and controls the production and distribution of goods? Absolutely correct! Good Wikipedia search on your part! However, last time I checked, Sam Walton's kids still owned WalMart. The "gumint" need not apply. Ditto for every other business I know of. You know of any government owned and run businesses, I mean aside from police, fire departments, etc, that doesn't turn a profit? I thought not....

You kinda sorta remind me of the people I've run into at local senior citizen centers. They sit and bitch about our "socialist" government while shoveling government subsidized food into their mouths beneath a roof built by the "socialist gumint."

It all goes back to my redneck defintion of "socialism." "Socialism is any system that puts money into any pocket butt mine." Yes? When it goes into a redneck's pocket, why, it becomes downright PATRIOTIC. LOL!

“Thar's a new sheriff in town..”

Since: Jan 09

Frogville

#12 May 8, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
<quoted text>bullshit!
You can argue your points with me, I will break every argument that you present, with rational, Conservative principles.
You on the other hand, cannot rationally argue, since; your brand of politics, require stealing, everyday to flourish. Either you're an idiot or don't have any assets or you would abandon your 5th grade politics?
I must admit you are one of the first on the Fort Towson forum to at least be able to string together a complete sentence. Be that as it may, don't think you will outwit me. You see, I don't just babble on Topix....I actually check the facts. Yokels like you shoot from the hip and run on right-wing emotion. You depend on Fox "news" and washed-up right-wing DJs like Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, etc. Game....set...match.

I know a principled conservative because I am one of them. You don't qualify. You are just a redneck neo-con yokel not deserving of the Conservative title.

Please note the capital "C"...it was used by the true Conservative William F. Buckley, the father of the modern conservative movement. Before he died he reputiated white trash "conservatives" such as you. YOU are a "principled conservative?" LOL

Ya'll be careful out there, now, hear? LOL

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#13 May 9, 2012
PANTSONFIRE wrote:
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Well, well, well! I AM impressed! You are, indeed, the first yokel I've run across who could give the classic defintion of socialism!
A socialist governmental system owns and controls the production and distribution of goods? Absolutely correct! Good Wikipedia search on your part! However, last time I checked, Sam Walton's kids still owned WalMart. The "gumint" need not apply. Ditto for every other business I know of. You know of any government owned and run businesses, I mean aside from police, fire departments, etc, that doesn't turn a profit? I thought not....
You kinda sorta remind me of the people I've run into at local senior citizen centers. They sit and bitch about our "socialist" government while shoveling government subsidized food into their mouths beneath a roof built by the "socialist gumint."
It all goes back to my redneck defintion of "socialism." "Socialism is any system that puts money into any pocket butt mine." Yes? When it goes into a redneck's pocket, why, it becomes downright PATRIOTIC. LOL!
Once again, like a complete liberal lunatic, you simply make assumptions. Lets clear the record, I don't sit and shovel government food into my mouth or live under a roof supplied by a government. However; if the senior citizens choose to bitch, they have a right to bitch, since their "government" forced them into a Social Security System, just like you and I. So, define Socialism for me again? As for companies that are government owned, do you remember the various bailouts of 2009 & 2010, no, there is no Socialism, no, not here in America!

As for the Walton's, they technically own 50% of their company, since the government, sucks 50% of anyone's earnings, down it's endless gullet ins some form of government sponsored "social program". So, don't lecture me on the face of Socialism, that's the tip of the iceburg. However; given the endless powers of the EPA and Obamacare, it's just a matter of time, until everyone is reliant on the government by force and not choice. Wrap it anyway you wish, that's the horse - shit your politics,(liberalism, left wing, Democrat) support, plain and simple. To deny it, would be exceptionally foolish on your part, you drivvling, dolt.

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#14 May 9, 2012
PANTSONFIRE wrote:
<quoted text>
I must admit you are one of the first on the Fort Towson forum to at least be able to string together a complete sentence. Be that as it may, don't think you will outwit me. You see, I don't just babble on Topix....I actually check the facts. Yokels like you shoot from the hip and run on right-wing emotion. You depend on Fox "news" and washed-up right-wing DJs like Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, etc. Game....set...match.
I know a principled conservative because I am one of them. You don't qualify. You are just a redneck neo-con yokel not deserving of the Conservative title.
Please note the capital "C"...it was used by the true Conservative William F. Buckley, the father of the modern conservative movement. Before he died he reputiated white trash "conservatives" such as you. YOU are a "principled conservative?" LOL
Ya'll be careful out there, now, hear? LOL
Yeah, you're a fact checker alright. If I got my teeth kicked in by anyone that does know the facts, I would take your approach. Judging from your response, you know nothing, since; you have not stated a fact in any of your recent posts?

William F. Buckley, I suppose that is up for debate?

Your a typical liberal fag, that has no clue about politics or Conservative principles. If you do understand them, explain to me why I need the federal government for anything other than a military protection and local government for anything other than community infrastructure?

Explain to me why I need Welfare, Obamacare, Earned Income Credit, Section 8 Housing, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and on and on?

Why, genius, why do I need these programs, if I am a self reliant, intelligent human being, without an excuse?

“Thar's a new sheriff in town..”

Since: Jan 09

Frogville

#15 May 9, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, like a complete liberal lunatic, you simply make assumptions. Lets clear the record, I don't sit and shovel government food into my mouth or live under a roof supplied by a government. However; if the senior citizens choose to bitch, they have a right to bitch, since their "government" forced them into a Social Security System, just like you and I. So, define Socialism for me again? As for companies that are government owned, do you remember the various bailouts of 2009 & 2010, no, there is no Socialism, no, not here in America!
As for the Walton's, they technically own 50% of their company, since the government, sucks 50% of anyone's earnings, down it's endless gullet ins some form of government sponsored "social program". So, don't lecture me on the face of Socialism, that's the tip of the iceburg. However; given the endless powers of the EPA and Obamacare, it's just a matter of time, until everyone is reliant on the government by force and not choice. Wrap it anyway you wish, that's the horse - shit your politics,(liberalism, left wing, Democrat) support, plain and simple. To deny it, would be exceptionally foolish on your part, you drivvling, dolt.
Ya sorta got your spurs all tangled up there, redneck. NOBODY pays 50% taxes, least of all Sam Walton's kids. Does the US have the highest coprorate tax in thew western world? Sure does! Of course those who throw around such stats kinda sort forget to mention the EFFECTIVE tax rate. You know, after all the corporate jets and "business" meetings in the Bahamas have been deducted. The average is about 16% Many corporations or people don't pay a single dime.

They leave paying taxes to right-wing suckers like you.....

One of my heroes is Otto Von Bismarck. Ya don't get more right-wing than that guy. I admire him because despite his right-wing leanings he recognized he was living in a modern, industrialized world....not the 1890s feed storeeconomy people like you imagine.

Bismarck welded a near medievel conglomerate of thirty states into a modern superpower in thirty-years. It probaly galled him to no end, but part of that was from instituting the world's first social security, unemployment insurance, health insurance, etc.

The trouble with yokels like you is that you want all the goodies and perks of a modern society while living in a utopian fantasy world that never existed outside a John Wayne movie.

“Thar's a new sheriff in town..”

Since: Jan 09

Frogville

#16 May 9, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, you're a fact checker alright. If I got my teeth kicked in by anyone that does know the facts, I would take your approach. Judging from your response, you know nothing, since; you have not stated a fact in any of your recent posts?
William F. Buckley, I suppose that is up for debate?
Your a typical liberal fag, that has no clue about politics or Conservative principles. If you do understand them, explain to me why I need the federal government for anything other than a military protection and local government for anything other than community infrastructure?
Explain to me why I need Welfare, Obamacare, Earned Income Credit, Section 8 Housing, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and on and on?
Why, genius, why do I need these programs, if I am a self reliant, intelligent human being, without an excuse?
"Typical liberal?"

I've got your number....you just lost the argument, redneck! LOL
You see, psychologists and social scientists have been studying authoritarians (right-wingers) like you for for decades. They irrational thinking is a vever ending source of fascination.
My favorite studies relate to putting them in NATO war games. Know what? They blow up the world every time....

That's about ALL I need to know about your mindset. LOL

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#17 May 10, 2012
PANTSONFIRE wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya sorta got your spurs all tangled up there, redneck. NOBODY pays 50% taxes, least of all Sam Walton's kids. Does the US have the highest coprorate tax in thew western world? Sure does! Of course those who throw around such stats kinda sort forget to mention the EFFECTIVE tax rate. You know, after all the corporate jets and "business" meetings in the Bahamas have been deducted. The average is about 16% Many corporations or people don't pay a single dime.
They leave paying taxes to right-wing suckers like you.....
One of my heroes is Otto Von Bismarck. Ya don't get more right-wing than that guy. I admire him because despite his right-wing leanings he recognized he was living in a modern, industrialized world....not the 1890s feed storeeconomy people like you imagine.
Bismarck welded a near medievel conglomerate of thirty states into a modern superpower in thirty-years. It probaly galled him to no end, but part of that was from instituting the world's first social security, unemployment insurance, health insurance, etc.
The trouble with yokels like you is that you want all the goodies and perks of a modern society while living in a utopian fantasy world that never existed outside a John Wayne movie.
Keith,

I believe you understand my sentiments regarding your recent posts. However; it's nice to see that you're still selling your 8th Grade, Otto Von Bismarck, Complex Society, Garbage, politics in places, other than Facebook.

This argument has taken place and if I remember correctly it ended with you pouting and throwing up garbage to support Socialism, right?

Sincerely,

CBR

“Thar's a new sheriff in town..”

Since: Jan 09

Frogville

#18 May 10, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
<quoted text>
Keith,
I believe you understand my sentiments regarding your recent posts. However; it's nice to see that you're still selling your 8th Grade, Otto Von Bismarck, Complex Society, Garbage, politics in places, other than Facebook.
This argument has taken place and if I remember correctly it ended with you pouting and throwing up garbage to support Socialism, right?
Sincerely,
CBR
Not 8th grade history, mi amigo...just stuff WAY, WAY, WAY over your head. You simply don't have enough brains or insight to know what you don't even know. It's a inbred redneck thing. Just the way you were raised in SE Oklahoma. You'll never escape it. That would take insight into yourself...that you ain't got. Never will have it.

Psychological studies show people like you VASTLY overestimate your knowledge and competence. My favorite studies involve putting people like you in NATO exercises....they blow up the world EVERY time. They don't know how to do anything else. They are SO stupid they blow THEMSELVES up just to prove how "right" they are.

You obiously despise this country, Kelly....so move to Somalia where "might makes right." Spoiled-ass right-wing brats like you have no place sucking off our democaracy, freedoms and advantages while constantly bitching about the sacrifices needed to pay for it.

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#19 May 11, 2012
PANTSONFIRE wrote:
<quoted text>
Not 8th grade history, mi amigo...just stuff WAY, WAY, WAY over your head. You simply don't have enough brains or insight to know what you don't even know. It's a inbred redneck thing. Just the way you were raised in SE Oklahoma. You'll never escape it. That would take insight into yourself...that you ain't got. Never will have it.
Psychological studies show people like you VASTLY overestimate your knowledge and competence. My favorite studies involve putting people like you in NATO exercises....they blow up the world EVERY time. They don't know how to do anything else. They are SO stupid they blow THEMSELVES up just to prove how "right" they are.
You obiously despise this country, Kelly....so move to Somalia where "might makes right." Spoiled-ass right-wing brats like you have no place sucking off our democaracy, freedoms and advantages while constantly bitching about the sacrifices needed to pay for it.
You can't debate the politics at hand, so you choose the "deep" philosophical approach. Hell, if that doesn't work, lets talk about the psychological side of it. Nice, not very effective to an individual with a stance, a proven stance might I say.

As for me being a spoiled - ass right wing brat, way off base. I have worked very hard for the things that I have, yet; left wing dolts want more and more, you can't deny that, just watch the news, any news outlet. However; it's kind of hard to dispute the proposed, passed and repealed legislation of the Left.

So, the freedoms and the inner workings of the "complex" society to which you eloquently refer is afforded, at the expense of the 53% of Americans that actually work? I mean somebody has to pay for all this shit? What about the other 47% sucking off the Democracy? What is their role? What responsibility do they have, yes; the other 47%? What happens when 95% of the population are sucking off the Democracy and only 5% actually work? Oh, wait then we become a civilized, complex, global society with a sole ruler, all because we need handouts, however; nobody wanted to acknowledge the big picture of economic factors. That's only after everyone wakes up and understands their mistakes for laziness.

“Thar's a new sheriff in town..”

Since: Jan 09

Frogville

#20 May 21, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't debate the politics at hand, so you choose the "deep" philosophical approach. Hell, if that doesn't work, lets talk about the psychological side of it. Nice, not very effective to an individual with a stance, a proven stance might I say.
As for me being a spoiled - ass right wing brat, way off base. I have worked very hard for the things that I have, yet; left wing dolts want more and more, you can't deny that, just watch the news, any news outlet. However; it's kind of hard to dispute the proposed, passed and repealed legislation of the Left.
So, the freedoms and the inner workings of the "complex" society to which you eloquently refer is afforded, at the expense of the 53% of Americans that actually work? I mean somebody has to pay for all this shit? What about the other 47% sucking off the Democracy? What is their role? What responsibility do they have, yes; the other 47%? What happens when 95% of the population are sucking off the Democracy and only 5% actually work? Oh, wait then we become a civilized, complex, global society with a sole ruler, all because we need handouts, however; nobody wanted to acknowledge the big picture of economic factors. That's only after everyone wakes up and understands their mistakes for laziness.
You are not a spoiled right-wing brat? Really? LOL You haven't a clue about what made this country great. You are simply living off the sacrifices of previous generations who suffered FAR more than you ever dreamed.

Ya know, I'd really LOVE for redneck blowhards like you to spend a few weeks in a third-world country. Maybe then you might appreciate what you have here....

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