Forensic Expert: McCafferty 'Lying Do...

Forensic Expert: McCafferty 'Lying Down' When Shot

There are 19 comments on the Kypost.Com story from Mar 2, 2009, titled Forensic Expert: McCafferty 'Lying Down' When Shot. In it, Kypost.Com reports that:

The jury in the Cheryl McCafferty murder trial heard about forensic evidence as prosecutors resumed testimony on Monday.

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MCL

Since: Jan 09

Bellevue, Kentucky

#1 Mar 3, 2009
looking guilty as can be
AGREE

Cincinnati, OH

#2 Mar 3, 2009
I have to agree with you.
Walk a mile

Evansville, IN

#3 Mar 3, 2009
I'm no expert here, but wouldn't it be pre meditated if she wrapped a fleece around the gun? And if he woke up, like she says, she wouldn't have had time to find a fleece to wrap around it, right?
Just throwing that out there.
Pre-Meditated

United States

#4 Mar 3, 2009
Walk a mile wrote:
I'm no expert here, but wouldn't it be pre meditated if she wrapped a fleece around the gun? And if he woke up, like she says, she wouldn't have had time to find a fleece to wrap around it, right?
Just throwing that out there.
No kidding. Pre-meditated for sure. Doesn't take an expert or a forensic genius to figure this one out. She wrapped the gun in fleece and shot him point-blank in the forehead. And her sleazy attorney is trying to say he was awake during all this? Gimme a break.
Ky Girl

Louisville, KY

#5 Mar 3, 2009
Pre-Meditated wrote:
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No kidding. Pre-meditated for sure. Doesn't take an expert or a forensic genius to figure this one out. She wrapped the gun in fleece and shot him point-blank in the forehead. And her sleazy attorney is trying to say he was awake during all this? Gimme a break.
Yeh, and his comments about two spots of gun residue on the comforter? I'm sure it was from Cheryl moving around after the murder.

The sleaze atty Mongo Mungo is probably hoping for a candid interview with Dateline when its all over. He's a showboat.

There is too much evidence against her, I hope the jury does the right thing.

MCL

Since: Jan 09

Bellevue, Kentucky

#6 Mar 3, 2009
Walk a mile wrote:
I'm no expert here, but wouldn't it be pre meditated if she wrapped a fleece around the gun? And if he woke up, like she says, she wouldn't have had time to find a fleece to wrap around it, right?
Just throwing that out there.
The evidence from yesterday indicates that he was still and not moving when he was shot. The blood splatter experts testified that the angle of the blood splatters and the drainage from the body indicate stillness. So it looks as though he was sleeping. The defense still has their turn.. i guess we will see what they say about that.
Unknown

Crestwood, KY

#7 Mar 4, 2009
MCL wrote:
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The evidence from yesterday indicates that he was still and not moving when he was shot. The blood splatter experts testified that the angle of the blood splatters and the drainage from the body indicate stillness. So it looks as though he was sleeping. The defense still has their turn.. i guess we will see what they say about that.
Did you read the blog from today? Totally different scenario from the defense's side...it's funny too, how the prosecution kept "objecting" to statements.
Seriously

Crestwood, KY

#8 Mar 4, 2009
Ky Girl wrote:
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Yeh, and his comments about two spots of gun residue on the comforter? I'm sure it was from Cheryl moving around after the murder.
The sleaze atty Mongo Mungo is probably hoping for a candid interview with Dateline when its all over. He's a showboat.
There is too much evidence against her, I hope the jury does the right thing.
What about the lost police log, or the contaminated evidence by the police dept...she will walk - they messed up and they will be sorry for the sloppy work they did!
Seriously

Crestwood, KY

#9 Mar 4, 2009
AGREE wrote:
I have to agree with you.
Disagree...sorry! She's not guilty. We are all entitled to our own opinion.
Ky Girl

Louisville, KY

#10 Mar 5, 2009
Seriously wrote:
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What about the lost police log, or the contaminated evidence by the police dept...she will walk - they messed up and they will be sorry for the sloppy work they did!
I have agreed the police dept did sloppy work. However, the evidence remains,she admitted shooting him,he was unarmed, and in a lying down position(possibly 4 inch off pillow). I hardly call that self defense. She should have taken the gun, and walked away. Or while he was sleeping, walked away.
Yes

Cincinnati, OH

#11 Mar 5, 2009
Unknown wrote:
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Did you read the blog from today? Totally different scenario from the defense's side...it's funny too, how the prosecution kept "objecting" to statements.
I think they were objecting as to whether or not he was qualified to say some of the things he said. He wasn't a GSR expert yet he was testifying about it.

He did say that his head could have been up to 4 inches off the pillow but the rest of his body was in the same position it was found.
CHESTER

Cincinnati, OH

#12 Mar 6, 2009
People watch the CSIs and get unrealistic expectations about what the typical police department can and cannot do. The Ft. Thomas guys probably did as well as any force their size.
I Wonder

Cincinnati, OH

#13 Mar 6, 2009
I have to agree with you.. plus this is the first time there has been a MURDER in Ft. Thomas in 16 years. I think they did a good job. Plus I don't think they were paid 3k a day like the defense witness.
Ky Girl

Louisville, KY

#14 Mar 6, 2009
I Wonder wrote:
I have to agree with you.. plus this is the first time there has been a MURDER in Ft. Thomas in 16 years. I think they did a good job. Plus I don't think they were paid 3k a day like the defense witness.
It doesnt matter if it was the first time or the fifth time, the ft police should have followed procedure. Thanks to them not following procedure, it may cost the prosecution their case. The paramedics moved the body, b4 measurements were taken, so the crime scene was compromised. The detective agreed when asked by the defense. And you better believe Deanna will stress that in closing arguments. It also doesnt matter what the expert witnesses were paid, their credentials say their experts, and THE EXPERTS do not agree with the prosecution experts! Which means "Doubt".

That may be all the jury needs to hear.
Paramedics

Bowling Green, KY

#15 Mar 6, 2009
Ky Girl wrote:
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It doesnt matter if it was the first time or the fifth time, the ft police should have followed procedure. Thanks to them not following procedure, it may cost the prosecution their case. The paramedics moved the body, b4 measurements were taken, so the crime scene was compromised. The detective agreed when asked by the defense. And you better believe Deanna will stress that in closing arguments. It also doesnt matter what the expert witnesses were paid, their credentials say their experts, and THE EXPERTS do not agree with the prosecution experts! Which means "Doubt".
That may be all the jury needs to hear.
The paramedics moved the sheet to see if he was dead or not. Should they have taken pictures and measurements before they even knew he was dead? What a ridiculous concept. I hope you are never in a car wreck or have a heart attack. If help comes, they might want to take some pictures and measurements before they stop the bleeding or perform CPR. After all, you might criticize them if they treat you before they take pictures of you.
O J Simpson

Bowling Green, KY

#16 Mar 6, 2009
Ky Girl wrote:
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It doesnt matter if it was the first time or the fifth time, the ft police should have followed procedure. Thanks to them not following procedure, it may cost the prosecution their case. The paramedics moved the body, b4 measurements were taken, so the crime scene was compromised. The detective agreed when asked by the defense. And you better believe Deanna will stress that in closing arguments. It also doesnt matter what the expert witnesses were paid, their credentials say their experts, and THE EXPERTS do not agree with the prosecution experts! Which means "Doubt".
That may be all the jury needs to hear.
O J Simpson and cheryl have a lot in common. They were both guilty as sin. The difference is that cheryl admitted pulling the trigger. It doesn't matter if they moved the sheets to declare Bob dead. cheryl still admitted pulling the trigger only inches from his head. No police errors could ever change her admission to those facts.
Theorizing

Cincinnati, OH

#17 Mar 6, 2009
CHESTER wrote:
People watch the CSIs and get unrealistic expectations about what the typical police department can and cannot do. The Ft. Thomas guys probably did as well as any force their size.
Not to mention that it isn't like they have a murder occurring once a week or month. I think the last one was in 1991.
Ky Girl

Louisville, KY

#18 Mar 6, 2009
Paramedics wrote:
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The paramedics moved the sheet to see if he was dead or not. Should they have taken pictures and measurements before they even knew he was dead? What a ridiculous concept. I hope you are never in a car wreck or have a heart attack. If help comes, they might want to take some pictures and measurements before they stop the bleeding or perform CPR. After all, you might criticize them if they treat you before they take pictures of you.
Upon their arrival,paramedics said the police said Bob was dead,6 pics were taken. I guess the paramedics forgot to ask about measurements.Then,the paramedics removed the comforter, and for an encore,lifted the tshirt...Defense asked the detective if this compromised the crime scene,and he said YES! Read WCPO reporter blog from testimony about the scene.

I am sure somewhere in their extensive training they learned procedure. But, on this day, they didnt apply it. It is documented with the court.

They screwed up! Which we will all hear in closing arguments.

I understand what you are saying, but what you have not taken into consideration is,the POLICE had already told them he was dead.
Ky Girl

Louisville, KY

#19 Mar 6, 2009
O J Simpson wrote:
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O J Simpson and cheryl have a lot in common. They were both guilty as sin. The difference is that cheryl admitted pulling the trigger. It doesn't matter if they moved the sheets to declare Bob dead. cheryl still admitted pulling the trigger only inches from his head. No police errors could ever change her admission to those facts.
I didnt know they declare death, I thought the coroner does that.

And, yes I agree, she is guilty. But when it comes to the law, it's all about procedure, and perfection. And the crime scene was compromised, and that may hurt the verdict. We will have to see.

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