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BE CAREFUL

Florence, KY

#1 Aug 15, 2009
Has anyone heard about the policewoman in Fort Thomas trying to prove she is better than a man in her job by writing as many tickets/violations as possible? No warnings, no checking your record to see that you may have never gotten a violation in even 15 years and ticketing just to get her numbers up to be better than the boys. Watch out! She is at the courthouse weekly for these!!---it cost over $150 for stopping at a stop sign!--BUT "not coming to a complete stop"... SHE SAYS. This is ridiculous. No one was even in any danger. You can SPEED (which is more dangerous!) and have less cost! It is your word against hers and she will not give warnings or check your clean record! I am all for a woman in a "man's world" career but come on!!! Get over yourself!
Justice

Hamilton, OH

#2 Aug 15, 2009
Sounds to me by the wording of you text, that you don't like getting caught rolling through a stop sign. In driving 101 you were to learn that a stop sign means "stop." It does not mean "Roll Through." You suggest that "No one was even in any danger." Let's say: while you are rolling through the "STOP" sign, a child (who was expecting you to STOP and looks both ways), begins to cross (in the crosswalk area) the street while you have failed to STOP, chances are, a child would have been in "danger." Sure, you will reply with a disagreement, but if it was your child (if you have any) that may have been struck, you would be against your own argument. In short: traffic laws are what they are. If you can not obey them, then consider riding a bike (FYI: there are laws on bike riding also). Congrads on your clean record: your insurance rewards you for that, not the responsibility of the police departments. If it would have been a man to issue you the ticket, would you have shook his hand and said thanks? Bottom line: Man-Up! Accept your ticket, pay your fine, and come to a complete STOP next time.
fyi

Florence, KY

#3 Aug 15, 2009
I agree--roll-throughs are wrong! Several times when my children were young-strolller days-many a vehicle would come close! However, in this situation the law was obeyed!!! Male police officer or not!!!!!!that is ridiculous. This police woman is on a mission-we have fellow poilce men that have told us so! and lawyers! The stop sign in reference sits farther back from curb than should-and yes a complete stop was made!!! witness in car!! the cop was coming from right and did not see the complete stop! she assumed it was not made! since all she saw was pulling away. but this was not something the driver did wrong in this situation! Driver does have children and is a cautious driver!! As for riding a bike...yeh-that'll work with kids! duh. Don't get started on a bike ridiing forum...that is a whole big problem in and of itself(RT 8)!!!
As for the police department being responsible for the clean record--noit what is being said here--just that a background check was not even made and should have been and if was she would have saw was an upstanding abiding ciizen and a warning could have been issued..if it was a 16 yr old hottie and a male cop--yeh-she probably would have just gotten a warning without checking anything. Double standards are everywhere.
Just be on your best behavior if you visit ft. thomas streets "justice" it could be you when you are innocent and someone doesn't listen. NO ONE is a perfect driver-even police officers!
Tired of Whiners

Shepherdsville, KY

#4 Aug 15, 2009
I suspect that this was not the first time that Be Careful "rolled" through a stop sign- it just happens that Be Careful got stopped this time- and ticketed. Has Be Careful been warned in the past? Just because this Ft. Thomas police officer is new with the department, and happens to be a female, doesn't mean she's trying to out-do the guys. I'd venture to say that any new officer gives less warnings than the veteran officers. It's just the nature of the beast. What if two cars had approached the intersection from a right angle, and both had decided to "roll' through the stop sign. Then what? Oh yeah, an accident...

My point here is this, Be Careful broke the law, got caught, and now is whining about it. A stop sign ticket is $159, the same as speeding 10 mph over the limit. Laws are made for a reason, and frankly, it would be sad to see what it would be like around here without these laws.
been pulled over

Cincinnati, OH

#5 Aug 15, 2009
I've been pulled over, but not ticketed, by the policewoman you're talking about. She uses scare tactics I believe to try to get people to admit to things that they have not done. Not surprisingly most other people I've talked to are well aware of her. We usually have at least one officer in town that could politely be called overzealous, but I really think she takes it a little far. Up until this point I've never had a reason to complain about Ft Thomas cops.
Justice

Hamilton, OH

#6 Aug 15, 2009
In re: back ground check? Let me see if I can get this point across: Did the police officer ask for your ID (aka: driver's license)? If yes, then she called it in to dispatch and got the back ground info. If you answer is no (to the above question), then I would wonder how you got a ticket, because the driver's name is placed on the CAD (look that up) system with the violation. Now, let's suppose someone in Ft.Thomas happens to get their house broken into. This "woman" police officer has to be the first to repsond and gets the "criminal," would you still feel your sexism toward her?

I will share my story with you. I got a ticket for doing 27 in a 35!!!! That's correct - 27 in a 35. The officer was a-bit new and thought the speed limit on South Grand was 25. At first, I disagreed and suggested that we go back and look at the speed limit sign. The officer simply said "NO- settle it in court and suggested that I "keep my mouth shut." Well, I shut up and took the ticket to court. As evidence, I took pictures of South Grand (in both directions) of the speed limit signs. And, wa-laa....I STILL HAD TO PAY!!!!!$190.00 and 4 years later, I am not holding any grudge against the officer.
fyi

Florence, KY

#7 Aug 15, 2009
Tired of Whiners wrote:
I suspect that this was not the first time that Be Careful "rolled" through a stop sign- it just happens that Be Careful got stopped this time- and ticketed. Has Be Careful been warned in the past? Just because this Ft. Thomas police officer is new with the department, and happens to be a female, doesn't mean she's trying to out-do the guys. I'd venture to say that any new officer gives less warnings than the veteran officers. It's just the nature of the beast. What if two cars had approached the intersection from a right angle, and both had decided to "roll' through the stop sign. Then what? Oh yeah, an accident...
My point here is this, Be Careful broke the law, got caught, and now is whining about it. A stop sign ticket is $159, the same as speeding 10 mph over the limit. Laws are made for a reason, and frankly, it would be sad to see what it would be like around here without these laws.
You are missing the whole point!! REREAD!! the driver did stop!!! no law was broken here!! there was a witness! no other cars or people on street!! good golly quit with the what ifs and could ofs... stick to the fact-no law was broken. the driver DID STOP!!!! and yes i agree laws are here to protect! But even when you are innocent the"law" meaning"the police" are not there to listen and observe-just to make quick judgement without seeing for themselves no law was broken!
Tired of Whiners

Florence, KY

#8 Aug 15, 2009
fyi wrote:
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You are missing the whole point!! REREAD!! the driver did stop!!! no law was broken here!! there was a witness! no other cars or people on street!! good golly quit with the what ifs and could ofs... stick to the fact-no law was broken. the driver DID STOP!!!! and yes i agree laws are here to protect! But even when you are innocent the"law" meaning"the police" are not there to listen and observe-just to make quick judgement without seeing for themselves no law was broken!
Okay- I've read and re-read Be Careful's post, and nowhere do I see that this person says he/she stopped. I would think that Be Careful would make a point of stressing that fact if that were the case. It seems that Be Careful is making an issue out of not getting a warning, and blaming it on the officer because she's "trying to prove she is better than a man in her job", "no checking your record", and "ticketing just to get her numbers up". As Justice previously pointed out, STOP means STOP. This is not optional. And I suppose my big question is, where was the 'witness' when it came time for court? This is why we have a court system. The Judge makes the final call, and the Judge will check records and take that into consideration, too.
Justice

Hamilton, OH

#9 Aug 15, 2009
"Tired," you support my arguement well. The "suspect" did not state that he made a complete stop. If his original statement would have suggested that important point, then I would have held a little different opinion to the incident. However, his "testimony" only relates to his feelings and emotions that, to me, indicates his lack of favor toward this particular female officer. In has been shown in Kentucky courts that new officers have over-reacted in previous circumstances. But, in this case, the driver simply neglects to inform us (to gain of favoritism as if we are a jury) that he made a complete stop. If that was the case, he certainly would have made that clear from the start. Whereas, I stand by my vertic - guilty as charged.
Justice

Hamilton, OH

#10 Aug 15, 2009
On another note, it could be a concern as to the comment made by FYI. In that statement, FYI claims that, "The stop sign in reference sits farther back from curb than should..." If the driver made a complete stop, then why is there a question about the sign placement. To refer of the sign placement in this manner (as FYI does) would offer to me that the driver noticed the stop sign as he was going through it. As in, at the last minute. It may have been at this time, that the officer noticed the infraction and was therefore entitled to cite the driver.
open mind

Ft Mitchell, KY

#11 Aug 15, 2009
JUST A NOTE TO JUSTICE AND TIRED IN THE ORIGINAL POST FROM BE CARFEUL HE DID SAY HE DID STOP IT SAYS THIS: "it cost over $150 for stopping at a stop sign!--BUT "not coming to a complete stop"... SHE SAYS." BE CAREFUL HAS IT RIGHT THERE SAYING THAT HE DID STOP! THAT IT COST $150 FOR STOPPING AT A STOP SIGN BUT THE POLICE OFFICER SAYS THAT HE DID NOT COME TO A COMPLETE STOP AND THAT IF THE STOP SIGN SITS BACK FROM THE CURB HOW WOULD THE POLIE OFFICER SEE HIM STOP SINCE IT IS NOT AT THE CURB BUT BEFORE THE CURB "SITS BACk" IS EXPLAINING THAT IT WAS OUT OF SITE OF THE POLICE WOMAN AND THEREFORE ALL SHE SAW WAS HIM PULLING AWAY AFTER HE STOPPED. THIS IS IS HOW IT READS. MAYBE YOU ARE THE POLICE WOMAN? YOU SOUND VERY DEFENSIVE FOR THE LAW AND JUSTICE WHETHER IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG?! I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND BE CAREFUL AND FEEL SORRY FOR HIM TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD BY THE 2 OF YOU WHO SEEM SO JUDGEMENTAL AS TO HOW YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORDED FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. I AM SURE HE IS NOT A PERFECT DRIVER EITHER AND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES HE TOO HAS NOT ALWAYS OBEYED THE LAWS WHEN DRIVING, SPEEDING OR ROLLS THROUGH BUT FROM THIS POST IT IS OBVIOUS HE DID STOP THIS TIME AND THAT IS HIS POINT BEING MADE.
why bother

Florence, KY

#12 Aug 16, 2009
Tired of Whiners wrote:
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And I suppose my big question is, where was the 'witness' when it came time for court? This is why we have a court system. The Judge makes the final call, and the Judge will check records and take that into consideration, too.
Maybe taking time off work , losing pay, risking your job to take off is not worth going to court and most people do not bother because the system is there to protect their own. I do not blame be careful or the witness for wasting their time and time off work I have done that before and was out even more money and I was completely innocent. Just bite the bullet and pay the fine like most people do and the system knows most people will just pay and move on anyway. The police officers still get paid their time to sit in court you do not. It is totally one-sided. I understand your frustration. When you are innocent there is a lot of emotion people and maybe that is why be careful was not stating facts in the post maybe he was venting out his frustrations with being innocent and a no win situation he wasn't worried about facts and wording his thoughts as if going to court or presenting his post to a jury or you. Justice and tired are probably in the system anyway.
Justice

Hamilton, OH

#13 Aug 16, 2009
open mind wrote:
JUST A NOTE TO JUSTICE AND TIRED IN THE ORIGINAL POST FROM BE CARFEUL HE DID SAY HE DID STOP IT SAYS THIS: "it cost over $150 for stopping at a stop sign!--BUT "not coming to a complete stop"... SHE SAYS." BE CAREFUL HAS IT RIGHT THERE SAYING THAT HE DID STOP! THAT IT COST $150 FOR STOPPING AT A STOP SIGN BUT THE POLICE OFFICER SAYS THAT HE DID NOT COME TO A COMPLETE STOP AND THAT IF THE STOP SIGN SITS BACK FROM THE CURB HOW WOULD THE POLIE OFFICER SEE HIM STOP SINCE IT IS NOT AT THE CURB BUT BEFORE THE CURB "SITS BACk" IS EXPLAINING THAT IT WAS OUT OF SITE OF THE POLICE WOMAN AND THEREFORE ALL SHE SAW WAS HIM PULLING AWAY AFTER HE STOPPED. THIS IS IS HOW IT READS. MAYBE YOU ARE THE POLICE WOMAN? YOU SOUND VERY DEFENSIVE FOR THE LAW AND JUSTICE WHETHER IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG?! I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND BE CAREFUL AND FEEL SORRY FOR HIM TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD BY THE 2 OF YOU WHO SEEM SO JUDGEMENTAL AS TO HOW YOU THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORDED FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. I AM SURE HE IS NOT A PERFECT DRIVER EITHER AND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES HE TOO HAS NOT ALWAYS OBEYED THE LAWS WHEN DRIVING, SPEEDING OR ROLLS THROUGH BUT FROM THIS POST IT IS OBVIOUS HE DID STOP THIS TIME AND THAT IS HIS POINT BEING MADE.
Again...read it as the law would imply. He did not say that he stopped. No, I am not the police officer.
Justice

Hamilton, OH

#14 Aug 16, 2009
Okay...let's go back to 101: Sorry the guy got caught. But, a-g-a-i-n! Why come here and bash a police officer for doing what she was hired to do. She was not hired to attack the innocent public. Regardless, the driver could have appeared in court to appeal the ticket. Did he? If so, in his appeal, he could have stated his arguement there WITH the point that he made a complete stop. But, on here, he or she does NOT point that out. I am not here to take his stand, nor the police officer. I look at the facts as they are presented. In this particular case (that the opposition doesn't see), is the "heresay" as the driver has provided. Maybe the driver and the witness should pick their words a little more careful to its content. As for the stop sign, if it is ill-placed (there are requirements...have it measured), then raise the concern to Ft.Thomas City Council. Make a difference!
BE CAREFUL

Florence, KY

#15 Aug 16, 2009
wow! A lot has happened since I posted my situation. To clarify, and sorry I was not direct enough for some of you when I stated my post but yes I did come to a complete stop that is why I was saying it cost over $150 for stopping at a stop sign! get it!?! I was frustrated with the fact that I was innocent and she said I did not completely stop. To answer some of these comments-yes, I too, like many of you I am sure have momentarily stopped from time to time-but this time in question, I did stop completely and had a child in the car-which as we all know we tend to drive more carefully with children in fact. The sexism comment about responding to my home if broken into is ridiculous-first of all I do not live in fort thomas (maybe that is why she ticketed me anyway..hahaha. who knows) and she would not be responding anyway...secondly, we do have female police officers in our city and have never heard anyone say anything bad about them. But when I discussed this particular situation with a lawyer friend and police officer I was informed that this is common practice for her and I was basically telling everyone to BE CAREFUL. Also-No. She did not take my id back to her vehicle, and did not even listen when I said "I believe you are mistaken that I did come to a complete stop- and that I was just pulling away when you started to follow me and then you did not turn on your lights until the next block"-she then said sorry but I have already made my decision and handed me the ticket. There you go! Is that detailed enough for you all---wow---Didn't know you wanted the play by play, maybe you can act it out with your friends now. I thought this was just a quick post to warn you all. Thanks for the heads up on all your knowledge of correct wording in case I ever have to present a case. Sorry to stress you out Justice-hope you can sleep tonight!
BE CAREFUL

Florence, KY

#16 Aug 16, 2009
why bother wrote:
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Maybe taking time off work , losing pay, risking your job to take off is not worth going to court and most people do not bother because the system is there to protect their own. I do not blame be careful or the witness for wasting their time and time off work I have done that before and was out even more money and I was completely innocent. Just bite the bullet and pay the fine like most people do and the system knows most people will just pay and move on anyway. The police officers still get paid their time to sit in court you do not. It is totally one-sided. I understand your frustration. When you are innocent there is a lot of emotion people and maybe that is why be careful was not stating facts in the post maybe he was venting out his frustrations with being innocent and a no win situation he wasn't worried about facts and wording his thoughts as if going to court or presenting his post to a jury or you. Justice and tired are probably in the system anyway.
EXACTLY! Glad to hear someone else out there gets it! Thank You!
BE CAREFUL

Florence, KY

#17 Aug 16, 2009
been pulled over wrote:
I've been pulled over, but not ticketed, by the policewoman you're talking about. She uses scare tactics I believe to try to get people to admit to things that they have not done. Not surprisingly most other people I've talked to are well aware of her. We usually have at least one officer in town that could politely be called overzealous, but I really think she takes it a little far. Up until this point I've never had a reason to complain about Ft Thomas cops.
Glad to hear I am not the only one who has been informed about her. I am sure there are male officers like this out there too in fact. Thank You for sharing!
Justice

Hamilton, OH

#18 Aug 16, 2009
You, sir, most certainly did not stress me out. However, I believe you could be a little more muture in how you conduct your comments. I assure you, if you were to have stepped into my office in this same manner, I would have asked you to leave. Now, what I attempted to do was offer the most sound advice in respects to your original wording (as you noted as the "play by play"). To often, when things go wrong, many people want to jump out with their personal emotions or opinions prior to a level-headed approach to the true facts. And, furthermore, in a court of law, more directly - in the commonwealth, you are going to have to give the "play-by-play."
Justice

Hamilton, OH

#19 Aug 16, 2009
Let me ask you this: Where is this intersection? What direction was you going? I will look into this intersection/stop sign/vantage-view point, etc.
BE CAREFUL

Florence, KY

#20 Aug 16, 2009
ok. Enough with the professional I am better than you attitude, really? This is not a court of law forum this is a discussion board for citizens not lawyers. There is no reason to assume I would walk into your office "law office" I guess in this manner. I was trying to help others from having this happen to them and to be careful that is all. I assure you that my maturity level is not something you need to worry about maybe you took something too personal. All that matters is God knows I was right and a donation has been basically made. HE is the highest power of judgement and all that really maters. The Fine was paid. Move on. I have.

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