mandatory spay/neuter alone cannot succeed

[FIDO]

Many opponents of mandatory spay/neuter laws cite its failure in certain cities. As anybody wondered why it fails in some cities?

[Pay To Spay]

More than mandatory is needed or successful animal population.

Education and promotion about the benefits of spay/neuter can help encourage, of course.

Affordability is the most important factor to encourage spay/neuter.

In places where mandatory spay/neuter has not succeeded as desired it was because the "tail wagged the dog" and the "cart went before the horse".

When a mandatory spay/neuter law is enforced while a significant number of pet owners cannot afford to pay for the spay/neuter procedure, then the law will fail its purpose of humane animal population birth control.

First,establish affordable spay/neuter where there is no excuse left to neglect the procedure for the appropriate dogs and cats.

Second, require by law that with certain exception spay/neuter must be performed.

Third, by law there should be incentives to comply with the law or disincentives to violate the law.

Get our "ducks in order", then proceed towards progress for dog and cat health and welfare.

Let's do what is best for each pet and its entire species......effective birth control requirements.

[Oklahoma is OK]

http://www.spayfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2...

[Fix the laws]

Oklahoma is OK wrote:

http://www.spayfirst.org/wp-co ntent/uploads/2012/04/do_ordin ances_work.pdf

www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

[Generalization]

Fix the laws wrote:

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www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

From your link:"In general, mandatory spay/neuter laws are not in the best interest of the pet or the owner."

Let's not devolve into nebulous and evasive generalizations. There are successes in specific towns with specific animal groups which the preceding link attests to.

So what is wrong with mandatory spay/neuter where it is successful?

[PaidForConclusiv ely]

Fort Smith City Staff concludes the "best" course of action.

From a posted reference link:
http://fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info/blog...

March 9, 2011 Memo
Annual Registration, Mandatory Spay/Neuter;Hobbyist Permit

"In reviewing Spay/Neuter Ordinances.......Staff concluded that the best course of action would be to enact an Ordinance which requires: annual registration for dogs and cats, mandatory spay/neuter of dogs and cats, and allows citizens to obtain a hobbyist permit for their dog or cat to remain intact if it meets certain requirements."

[Fix the laws]

Click on the provided links for specifics. Read the blog entries for details. They are insightful. Spay and neuter is noble, no question, mandatory measures and counter productive EVERYWHERE.

It is not sustainable.

www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

[Sustainable]

Fix the laws wrote:

Click on the provided links for specifics. Read the blog entries for details. They are insightful. Spay and neuter is noble, no question, mandatory measures and counter productive EVERYWHERE.
It is not sustainable.
www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

Why do you believe that it is not sustainable?

[Everywhere FlagUp]

Everywhere? Hmm. Are you sure?

[EVERYWHERE]

Fix the laws wrote:

Click on the provided links for specifics. Read the blog entries for details. They are insightful. Spay and neuter is noble, no question, mandatory measures and counter productive EVERYWHERE.
It is not sustainable.
www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

Everywhere is absolutely extreme. Like the other comment asked. Are you sure about EVERYWHERE?

[Fix the laws]

PaidForConclusively wrote:

Fort Smith City Staff concludes the "best" course of action.
From a posted reference link:
http://fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info/blog...
March 9, 2011 Memo
Annual Registration, Mandatory Spay/Neuter;Hobbyist Permit
"In reviewing Spay/Neuter Ordinances.......Staff concluded that the best course of action would be to enact an Ordinance which requires: annual registration for dogs and cats, mandatory spay/neuter of dogs and cats, and allows citizens to obtain a hobbyist permit for their dog or cat to remain intact if it meets certain requirements."

Try to keep up, will you. You're quote is stated out of context and back in time. The board is going with 11 of 13 Task Force recomendations. Deal with it.

www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

[Answer the Question]

Fix the laws wrote:

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Try to keep up, will you. You're quote is stated out of context and back in time. The board is going with 11 of 13 Task Force recomendations. Deal with it.
www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

Your response is out of context. Answer the question. Everywhere? Are you sure about that?

[OffTrack]

Fix the laws wrote:

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Try to keep up, will you. You're quote is stated out of context and back in time. The board is going with 11 of 13 Task Force recomendations. Deal with it.
www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

Try to stay focused. You're all over the place. The comment was a simple question?

[ToBeFair]

This statement is one-sided:

---from
http://fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info/blog...

"......need more information from city governments that implemented mandatory and licensing ordinances only to have repealed them due to their high costs, unproductive results and inability to enforce what they passed."

Information from cities where mandatory spay/neuter is successful is needed also.

[Which Two]

Fix the laws wrote:

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Try to keep up, will you. You're quote is stated out of context and back in time. The board is going with 11 of 13 Task Force recomendations. Deal with it.
www.fixthelawsthatfixcatsanddogs.info

Which 2 of the recommendations are the BOD not going with.

[recommendations]

Which Two wrote:

<quoted text>Which 2 of the recommendations are the BOD not going with.

One was the number of members to the New board. Joel was furious. Talk about agendas.

[Missed that one]

recommendations wrote:

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One was the number of members to the New board. Joel was furious. Talk about agendas.

Why was Joel furious? Are there too many members or not enough members?

[quit fishing]

Missed that one wrote:

<quoted text>Why was Joel furious? Are there too many members or not enough members?

Everyone knows you're trying to build some kind of law suit. Take personal responsibility. You did, after all, resign on your own volition. You can't hang this on any one but yourself.

[the Lone One]

Missed that one wrote:

<quoted text>Why was Joel furious? Are there too many members or not enough members?

not enough. he wanted the board to go exclusively with every recommendation of the original committee

[BottomFeeders]

quit fishing wrote:

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Everyone knows you're trying to build some kind of law suit. Take personal responsibility. You did, after all, resign on your own volition. You can't hang this on any one but yourself.

She ain't fishin'. All the bottom feeders are in the same swamp from which they're gonna' get dredged-up.

Someone else was asking the questions and someone else will give the answers. There is more than one person who has been publicly abused by the city leaders using the local "rag" media to denigrate this and other issues.


I allowed you to distract me...sorry about that.

To get back on point. The original issue might be about whether mandatory spay/neuter could be successful as long as it is affordable also.

Affordably mandatory, unlike 'un'affordably dictated, with reasonable exceptions as to professional breeders or hobbyists.

That would seem an intelligent compromise where both sides win according to their reasoning. Make it affordable and make sure everybody takes advantage of the affordablility for the benefit of the animals. In fact that wouldn't be a compromise where anything is given-up; both sides would gain.

Now there is something for all sides to pursue together.

Let's unite our causes rather than divide our community.