Mercy Asks City For $287,500 In Help?

Mercy Asks City For $287,500 In Help?

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Since: Jun 11

Fort Smith, AR

#1 Jan 14, 2013
Mercy Clinic is asking the city directors to give them $287,500 to help with their private venture to build a medical clinic at the northwest corner of Free Ferry and Waldron. Ex-city director Cole Goodman sent a letter to the city stating due to excessive water drainage, building costs are going to be higher than their original due diligence reported.

Isn't drainage calculations what engineers get paid for? Did Mercy have professional engineers? Aren't engineers bonded for work performed? Why should the citizens of Fort Smith pay for the extra costs?
really

Gravette, AR

#2 Jan 14, 2013
Liberty13 wrote:
Mercy Clinic is asking the city directors to give them $287,500 to help with their private venture to build a medical clinic at the northwest corner of Free Ferry and Waldron. Ex-city director Cole Goodman sent a letter to the city stating due to excessive water drainage, building costs are going to be higher than their original due diligence reported.
Isn't drainage calculations what engineers get paid for? Did Mercy have professional engineers? Aren't engineers bonded for work performed? Why should the citizens of Fort Smith pay for the extra costs?
Well, Jack, I expect you to stand up and speak out about this at tomorrow's meeting. Don't be all talk and no action, please.
Park Hill trash

Fort Smith, AR

#3 Jan 14, 2013
That corner has been looked for apartments and other types of buildings for the past 30-40 years.
It is a piece of property that has more going aqainst it than for it. It has the drainage easement going thru the middle of it, a pretty good grade down from North to South.

Which means a lot of grading work .... Then the odds are the foundations will be on compacted fill. You should or cannot build over the drainage easement... on and on.

That is why nothing has been built on that corner. After that.... you have the UDO rules where the people around the proposed project have the power to approve or disaprove the project.. Odds are
the same people that stopped the apartment complex across the street wil be at the required UDO meetings foe this project.

Will this start a trend or standard that a builder-developer will be able to say, "I bought a piece of junk land, and I sure could use some money from the city to help cut the building costs"?

Citizen

Fort Smith, AR

#4 Jan 14, 2013
Liberty13 wrote:
Mercy Clinic is asking the city directors to give them $287,500 to help with their private venture to build a medical clinic at the northwest corner of Free Ferry and Waldron. Ex-city director Cole Goodman sent a letter to the city stating due to excessive water drainage, building costs are going to be higher than their original due diligence reported.
Isn't drainage calculations what engineers get paid for? Did Mercy have professional engineers? Aren't engineers bonded for work performed? Why should the citizens of Fort Smith pay for the extra costs?
I hope they put a Ferris wheel smack dab in the middle of that sumbitch then pay someone $900,000 a year just to sell tickets. And I hope they pay for it with a special tax on home appraisals and retread tires.
mercy me

Fort Smith, AR

#5 Jan 14, 2013
The proposed property doesn't have enough of a natural screen towards Free Ferry. That alone will kill the project with the neighbors.

The parking lot is a barren asphalt jungle. The board should ask for more greenspace.

The proposal shows no access to the back of the building. Will all truck deliveries go through the front door?

Again, another quick sell to the board. I hope they ask good questions and then send them back to the drawing board. As for the drainage upgrades, what did the Romans say? caveat emptor

In the meantime, didn't the prior presentors threaten to sue? What's the status of that potential debackle?
UndergroundRiver Valley

Fort Smith, AR

#6 Jan 14, 2013
Liberty13 wrote:
Mercy Clinic is asking the city directors to give them $287,500 to help with their private venture to build a medical clinic at the northwest corner of Free Ferry and Waldron. Ex-city director Cole Goodman sent a letter to the city stating due to excessive water drainage, building costs are going to be higher than their original due diligence reported.
Isn't drainage calculations what engineers get paid for? Did Mercy have professional engineers? Aren't engineers bonded for work performed? Why should the citizens of Fort Smith pay for the extra costs?
Too bad the other project where old coal mine caverns were discovered after the steel work was erected didn't give the smart doctors a clue of what could go wrong in Fort Smith.....anything and everything. I wish the City would have bailed me out once I discovered that my own due diligence did not discover what a pain in the ass municipal government could be to small business ventures. Cost overruns and a tanked economy did me in. I took a calculated risk and lost, Mercy can do the same. They have further to fall,they have private equity cushions. For the little guy, it is a short fall to the bottom with not bailouts. Goodman knows the inner circle and has a lotta balls asking the rest of us to foot the bill considering when you go to the hospital you sign more legal and financial crap than medical/health information.
G Zone

Fort Smith, AR

#7 Jan 14, 2013
Park Hill trash wrote:
That corner has been looked for apartments and other types of buildings for the past 30-40 years.
It is a piece of property that has more going aqainst it than for it. It has the drainage easement going thru the middle of it, a pretty good grade down from North to South.
Which means a lot of grading work .... Then the odds are the foundations will be on compacted fill. You should or cannot build over the drainage easement... on and on.
That is why nothing has been built on that corner. After that.... you have the UDO rules where the people around the proposed project have the power to approve or disaprove the project.. Odds are
the same people that stopped the apartment complex across the street wil be at the required UDO meetings foe this project.
Will this start a trend or standard that a builder-developer will be able to say, "I bought a piece of junk land, and I sure could use some money from the city to help cut the building costs"?
Rezone it for a public park. Who owned the property in the past. Any connection to city officials or other politicos?
Liberty13

Fort Smith, AR

#8 Jan 14, 2013
It belong to the Stouffer family for years. I'm sure that Sandy Sanders, Ray Gosack and the guy that runs the sanitation department bought it under the table and now their trying to make BILLIONS off the city by throwing up a facade of a medical clinic, because we all know what crooks they are. I hear if they can get some AP money they are going to put an annex to the Marshal's Museum, a Ferris wheel, a homeless camp and a well pump which people who live in Van Buren can use to get get free water for life!

Oh...and I love peckers!
first asset holdings

Gravette, AR

#9 Jan 14, 2013
Here's the current owner info from the sec. of state's office.

Corporation Name FIRST ASSET HOLDINGS, LLC
Fictitious Names
Filing # 800138671
Filing Type Limited Liability Company
Filed under Act Domestic LLC; 1003 of 1993
Status Good Standing
Principal Address
Reg. Agent R. RAY FULMER II
R. RAY FULMER
Agent Address 622 PARKER AVE.

FORT SMITH, AR 72901
Date Filed 07/23/2008
Officers R. RAY FULMER , Incorporator/Organizer
AL SNIDER , Tax Preparer
correct me if I am wrong

Fort Smith, AR

#10 Jan 14, 2013
did not all the drainage issues come to light just recently; in fact, by the city planning department?

The claim that this situation, and its corresponding expense, was some kind of after buy surprise is a blatant lie and manipulation of the public to get a suck at the government tit.

Since: Jun 11

Fort Smith, AR

#11 Jan 14, 2013
I think you guys have the wrong corner. The Stouffers owned the southwest corner, the one Rocky Walker is trying to build on. This is the northwest corner, across the street to the north.
Liberty13

Fort Smith, AR

#12 Jan 14, 2013
Liberty13 wrote:
I think you guys have the wrong corner. The Stouffers owned the southwest corner, the one Rocky Walker is trying to build on. This is the northwest corner, across the street to the north.
Oh...and I still love peckers.
Rolling in Dough

Fort Smith, AR

#13 Jan 15, 2013
Isn't it great to be flush again. Happy days are here...
Ex Torsion

Fort Smith, AR

#14 Jan 15, 2013
Liberty13 wrote:
Mercy Clinic is asking the city directors to give them $287,500 to help with their private venture to build a medical clinic at the northwest corner of Free Ferry and Waldron. Ex-city director Cole Goodman sent a letter to the city stating due to excessive water drainage, building costs are going to be higher than their original due diligence reported.
Isn't drainage calculations what engineers get paid for? Did Mercy have professional engineers? Aren't engineers bonded for work performed? Why should the citizens of Fort Smith pay for the extra costs?
Goodman has got the goods on the suckers at City Hall. He is just the latest party to "shake-down" the fools running the city. Unless of course they are not fools but simply "kick-back" and "payola" experts. Everybody gets a piece of the action as long as the taxpayer keeps the action going.
No Show Swink

Gravette, AR

#15 Jan 15, 2013
Liberty13 wrote:
Mercy Clinic is asking the city directors to give them $287,500 to help with their private venture to build a medical clinic at the northwest corner of Free Ferry and Waldron. Ex-city director Cole Goodman sent a letter to the city stating due to excessive water drainage, building costs are going to be higher than their original due diligence reported.
Isn't drainage calculations what engineers get paid for? Did Mercy have professional engineers? Aren't engineers bonded for work performed? Why should the citizens of Fort Smith pay for the extra costs?
well, Jack, if you felt so strongly about this, why didn't you show up at the meeting and speak against it? Oh, yeah, I remember, you just want to gripe, you don't want to put out any meaningful personal effort to change things.
Hot air is all you are.
Park Hill trash

Fort Smith, AR

#16 Jan 15, 2013
The BOD just set a standard....find crappy
property plead your case and they will help you fix the problem with tax dollars.

Do not know if it is true or not, Mercy does not pay property taxes. So there would not be any property taxes coming to help recover the $287,500 over a number of years.

Mr. Rocky Walker who spoke at the BOD meeting had a 4-5 million dollar project turned down 3 months ago by the BOD. That property would have generated about $48,000 to $60,000 per year in property taxes. PLUS the city taxes generated by electrical services, phone, cable services to 62 units. Then the fees generated off of 62 rental units in water, sewer, and trash fee's.
The city never offered to give him anything but a hard time. Clear as mud how this town operates....

Since: Jun 11

Fort Smith, AR

#17 Jan 15, 2013
"Park Hill trash",
Unfortunately, George Catsavis was the only director to vote against giving $287,500 of taxpayers money to the tax exempt Mercy Clinic.
My understanding, there will not be any tax revenue at all from the Mercy Medical Clinic, where Rocky's project would have brought in a minimum of $45,000 a year in property tax along with other revenue.
The city doesn't appear to be consistent in their approach to projects, but what's new. Kind of like they pick the winners and the rest are on their own.
trash collector

Fort Smith, AR

#19 Jan 15, 2013
Park Hill trash wrote:
The BOD just set a standard....find crappy
property plead your case and they will help you fix the problem with tax dollars.
Do not know if it is true or not, Mercy does not pay property taxes. So there would not be any property taxes coming to help recover the $287,500 over a number of years.
Mr. Rocky Walker who spoke at the BOD meeting had a 4-5 million dollar project turned down 3 months ago by the BOD. That property would have generated about $48,000 to $60,000 per year in property taxes. PLUS the city taxes generated by electrical services, phone, cable services to 62 units. Then the fees generated off of 62 rental units in water, sewer, and trash fee's.
The city never offered to give him anything but a hard time. Clear as mud how this town operates....
this was not a good decision. But in fairness, I do not always agree with the BOD votes 100% of the time. We all must accept the fact that while we won't always agree, we must always be civil.
you nailed it

Marsh Harbour, Bahamas

#20 Jan 16, 2013
Ex Torsion wrote:
<quoted text>Goodman has got the goods on the suckers at City Hall. He is just the latest party to "shake-down" the fools running the city. Unless of course they are not fools but simply "kick-back" and "payola" experts. Everybody gets a piece of the action as long as the taxpayer keeps the action going.
yep, goodman knows where all the "dead bodies are buried at city hall and has the goods on ole crapsack so yes a little taxpayer money was doled out to keep the peace. three cheers for dr goodman for using his leverage to create 32 jobs that will generate a whole lot of consumer spending in fort smith and shame on crapsack for having a past that requires a huge cemetery to keep the secrets sleeping! it appears that some good will come from this project in spite of the cronyism that allowed it to happen because 32 additional jobs could create millions in additional individual spending in fort smith every year!
Park Hill trash

Fort Smith, AR

#21 Jan 16, 2013
Not trying to be negative..but they are saying not one of the 36 people in the new building will be
from FSA. That only NEW people to the area will
be employeed....That 36 out of the 65,000 or so that work in Fort Smith will those 36 make a "bump" the quartely reports? I hope so we need new blood.

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