Wages Of City Employees - Published

Wages Of City Employees - Published

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“Out of the Darkness that is FS”

Since: Mar 11

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#1 Oct 10, 2011
Last Friday, they published the wages of city employees. I thought it would be interesting to mention the range on some of the positions so you could get an idea of why they don't understand up there at City Hall why we cannot continue to have our taxes increased because we, even though educated, most likely underemployed or unemployed, just don't make the kind of money they do. Each has a range from low to high: Asst City Manager -$23.10 to $35.00 per hour, Director of Economic Development -$23.10 to $31.75,(Golf Course Manager, Greens Superintendent, Codes Director, City Clerk, Director of Community Development - All of these),$16.70 to $23.10 per hour. I was shocked to see that these were in line with wages in much larger and not economically depressed areas even Federal Civil Service positions for some but found the following much lower than what the positions probably deserve especially when you look at the generous wages of those at City Hall: Animal Control Officer -$7.71 to $10.89, Patrolman -$11.88 to $16.65 and also many of the maintenance jobs where we actually see results of their labor. It is not that we are not educated but because we underemployed or unemployed. If I were making 3 times as much an hour, I guess I would not be able to understand why everyone is complaining about another few hundreds dollars in taxes a year but, you know, I actually have enough compassion to consider others! Everyday we watch City Government grow and everyday, I see more U-Hauls headed out of town leaving houses empty. The labor force is leaving. The "For Sale" signs abound in every block. I was really disappointed to see how devalued the police department was as the pay there across the board for all or almost all positions seemed so low compared to their value to the community. As more people leave the City, the tax burden will increase for everyone else. So, I have answered the question about where all your tax dollars go as far as the City. Wages! Isn't it about time that we grew something here besides City Hall. Yeah, I heard they eliminated some staff but that was those at a lower pay scale. You know that has to stop or else some of those admin need to learn to run a mower and patch potholes!
GFYS

Lawrence, KS

#2 Oct 10, 2011
You do see the labor of the people who manage the town, you just aren't looking for it because you want to bash them for making more money than you. Why don't you get one of those jobs if you're worried about it? Instead of just complaining? Go back to school. Become city manager. Nobody is going to give up their wage because you complain about it. Or hand you more money. Go pay to go to school or to go back to school and get there yourself. It's not any different now than it's ever been.
GFYS

Lawrence, KS

#3 Oct 10, 2011
I understand that it's all the rage to bash everything about government like Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin. But they serve a purpose. And how much are you paying in taxes compared to 5 years ago? Look that up and get back to me. It's probably less.
GFYS

Lawrence, KS

#4 Oct 10, 2011
Here, I did the work for you:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20110421/NEWS20/11... -
Taxed to death

Fort Scott, KS

#5 Oct 10, 2011
65% of the city budget goes to employees. That is a FACT.
GFYS

Lawrence, KS

#6 Oct 10, 2011
Where did you get that info? How does that compare to other towns/cities? Can you provide any context at all for that?

Since: Aug 10

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#7 Oct 10, 2011
I always didn't understand why when evaluating the pay scale for the higher positions at city hall they would argue that they should match the competitive pay for comparable sized cities yet when they discussed the rest of the city employees they said they could not offer a wage comparable to the same positions in the cities they used to set their own salaries.
GFYS

Lawrence, KS

#8 Oct 10, 2011
Taxed To Death: Still waiting for the documentation on that comment. Can you back that up for us, please?
FS FYI stats

Independence, KS

#9 Oct 10, 2011
Cathy Cathy Cathy -HTE unleashed. Here ya go again, trying to save the day.
You elude to the fact that we are not smart enough to figure out the stats as they are presented. But we all know that is not your real underlying intention.
You really just like to stir up issues and see if you can get someone to jump on your little bandwagon and start a major attack on someone in Fort Scott.
Once again, if you dislike everything here so much, why don't you get one of those U-hauls you see leaving town, load it up with your stuff and follow them out.
We all know all you are, is a "pot stirrer".

Since: Oct 11

United States

#10 Oct 11, 2011
That's really all they make!? U think it would b more wit all the bs they have to deal wit lol our cops r under paid of that's true of their wages. I got a police scannet believe me I kno they stay busy and keep us safe from crazy ppl! I say pay um more. Life is about learning to share and lestn to b happy living within ur means lol u don't have to b rich to be happy and have everything. Or atleast not the important things,lol stop worryong all the time and b thankful give ur worries unto god and let him help with ur stress believe me u will b thankful and happier and also less nossy lol
sdog

Kansas City, KS

#11 Oct 11, 2011
I wouldn't strap on a gun and hunt down meth heads for $16.65 an hour! Plus, most people will be towards the middle of these ranges quoted.
bob

Bucyrus, KS

#12 Oct 11, 2011
"That's really all they make!? U think it would b more wit all the bs they have to deal wit lol our cops r under paid of that's true of their wages. I got a police scannet believe me I kno they stay busy and keep us safe from crazy ppl! I say pay um more. Life is about learning to share and lestn to b happy living within ur means lol u don't have to b rich to be happy and have everything. Or atleast not the important things,lol stop worryong all the time and b thankful give ur worries unto god and let him help with ur stress believe me u will b thankful and happier and also less nossy lol"

Judging by this post the English teachers are paid entirely too much!
Yup

Fort Scott, KS

#14 Oct 11, 2011
sdog wrote:
I wouldn't strap on a gun and hunt down meth heads for $16.65 an hour! Plus, most people will be towards the middle of these ranges quoted.
Yup and $16.65 an hour is the high end of pay for a patrolman. I bet the city finds a way to make sure they never make that much.$11.88 for our new officers. WOW that is crazy for all the work they do. I bet the majority of our officers make between $11.88 and $12.88 an hour. NO I don't have anything to back that up, but knowing how the city works it is my educated guess.

Since: Aug 10

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#15 Oct 11, 2011
Yup wrote:
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Yup and $16.65 an hour is the high end of pay for a patrolman. I bet the city finds a way to make sure they never make that much.$11.88 for our new officers. WOW that is crazy for all the work they do. I bet the majority of our officers make between $11.88 and $12.88 an hour. NO I don't have anything to back that up, but knowing how the city works it is my educated guess.
You are correct. It would take a very long time to work your way up into $16.65 an hour when starting at $11.88 when you are lucky to get a 3% increase each year if anything at all.

Anyone want to guess why we can't keep police officers in our city?

Here is another good question. How much does it cost the city in pay for a training officer plus the pay of the new officer during their initial training? Plus how much does the city pay to send the new officer to the academy? Plus how much does it cost to outfit the new officer with uniforms and equipment (except for the slightly used stuff they simply re-issue to the new guy). If that's not enough, then also how much does the city pay in overtime to cover for vacant positions due to a lack of manpower?

Now somebody add all that up and tell me if the city were to just pay a police officer a little more an hour to not find a job elsewhere if that would be cheaper for the city in the long run.

Who is steering this ship anyway?
90 alum

Fort Scott, KS

#16 Oct 12, 2011
Taxed to death wrote:
65% of the city budget goes to employees. That is a FACT.
And about 30% or that goes to about 15 people
Wowzer

United States

#17 Oct 12, 2011
What 15 people in the city are getting paid that much? 30 percent that seems steep.
90 alum wrote:
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And about 30% or that goes to about 15 people
GFYS

Tonkawa, OK

#18 Oct 12, 2011
Still waiting to see any kind of proof of that statement in the first place. Taxed to Death: can you provide that, please?

“Out of the Darkness that is FS”

Since: Mar 11

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#19 Oct 13, 2011
It actually never computed that the claim was that wages for the city workers should be based on cities of similar size because in reality, it should be based on the cost of living and the going rate for that type of job in the local economy. I suppose they started at the top matching another city but by the time they got out of City Hall, there was not that much left to go around. I realize a 2% raise is not that much but, who else is even getting that much? Basically, they have built a kingdom. When they can't justify a raise, they change the title of the job which means an increase in pay. They got rid of the Human Resource Director who made about $60,000 and the savings for that position was about $12,000 by the time they split up the duties and picked the 60 over. So, at least now, you understand where your money is going and why you see no results. Nothing changes for the better but the salaries at City Hall and their titles. When I learned how much a police officer made and then the entry wage for a maintenance person, I thought everyone in the City must just be low paid and that's what I get for trying to use logic here. If I am stirring the pot, it looks like I was too late starting because the bottom seems to be hopelessly scorched!
GFYS

Tonkawa, OK

#20 Oct 13, 2011
GFYS wrote:
Still waiting to see any kind of proof of that statement in the first place. Taxed to Death: can you provide that, please?
My above post simply asking for proof or any documentation of a claim that was made has been judged as 'clueless' and 'nuts'. This speaks volumes about the people expressing opinions on this board.
sdog

Kansas City, KS

#21 Oct 13, 2011
I feel pretty certain there is something in their employment contract that would make them pay back the cost of the training if they leave the job early.

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