City Manager & Assistant City Manager

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Would like to know

Fort Scott, KS

#1 Feb 11, 2011
Are you happy with the job they are doing? Could they be doing anything better?
Seriously

Fort Scott, KS

#2 Feb 11, 2011
Amen for Dave and Susan. If anyone is going to have a positive impact on the city it's going to be largely driven by Dave Martin and helped along by Susan Brown. Think about it. For a change the city did the right thing and instead of bringing in a "professional" city manager they brought in stakeholders. We have people in the city offices who have lived in the community and continue to do so. Their success or failure affects them directly, everyday. Plus, they have real world experience to apply to government rather than degrees in municipal management. Dave and Susan both have plenty to lose if they don't succeed in changing the course of Fort Scott. They have much work to do, but as a a fellow stakeholder along with them I am glad to have them at the helm of city affairs. Sincerely glad.
cryptic fatso

United States

#3 Feb 11, 2011
I'm sort of surprised that you read this forum Dave.
HereThereEverywh ere

Fort Scott, KS

#4 Feb 11, 2011
Dave Martin is in a learning mode with much to learn. He is taking or was taking a course on being a City Manager. I think he has a lot of plans of possible action but as yet, it is too early to say much about his success or not on the job. The Assistant, well, she has always cooperated with me for the most part when I wanted information and taken the time to explain but this was in her capacity as Financial Director so I feel it is too early to really know how she will perform as the Assistant City Manager. A desire to do the job and the ability to actually pull it off are two completely different things. After all, this is Fort Scott! They need to learn to do more with less like the rest of us and at that time they'll get my vote for being competent in their jobs!
They Took Our Jobs

Fort Scott, KS

#5 Feb 11, 2011
who care's? the wealthy look out for the wealthy while middle class and lower class people suffer. thats how ft scott is and probably will stay.
Stupid topic

United States

#6 Feb 11, 2011
Dave Martin is in a learning mode with much to learn. He is taking or was taking a course on being a City Manager.

HMMMMMMM < was he not hired for his experience/credentials
Brent

Fort Scott, KS

#7 Feb 11, 2011
Our assistant city manager is better lookin than yours....so there!!! LOL!
FS Resident

Fort Scott, KS

#8 Feb 11, 2011
I think they can do well for this community. As long as they keep their mindset on the community and not get selfish. I do agree they need to learn to live with in our means as the rest of us. I would like to know what kind of raise Mrs. Brown got when they created the assistant city manager position. I always thought it was funny that city employees have gone without a pay raise for a few years now, then BAM new position created. I know it had to come with a raise, but would like to know how much it was.
RED

United States

#9 Feb 11, 2011
They just took the HR position wages.
The Goods

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#10 Feb 12, 2011
Seriously wrote:
Amen for Dave and Susan. If anyone is going to have a positive impact on the city it's going to be largely driven by Dave Martin and helped along by Susan Brown. Think about it. For a change the city did the right thing and instead of bringing in a "professional" city manager they brought in stakeholders. We have people in the city offices who have lived in the community and continue to do so. Their success or failure affects them directly, everyday. Plus, they have real world experience to apply to government rather than degrees in municipal management. Dave and Susan both have plenty to lose if they don't succeed in changing the course of Fort Scott. They have much work to do, but as a a fellow stakeholder along with them I am glad to have them at the helm of city affairs. Sincerely glad.
I don't know Susan, but Dave is a terrible individual who has used his Community Christian Clout to gain favor with the influential class of Ft.Scott. If Dave hadn't been aligning with those individuals he wouldn't be employed now with the City. He's a power hungry and uncompassionate person. I saw plenty of innocent people lose their jobs, the top seat he had at his position at Value was due to the hostile back stabbing and sabotoge of Stu Braznell. As you can see Mr.Martin was forced to resign. Coincedence he splurged on a bigger nicer house, harleys and the best money could afford from ill gotten gain from Value. This was at the cost of people who had families and needed their jobs to support them. You haven't a clue about Dave, you wouldn't boldy post on here if you did. You want somebody who is going to screw the people of Ft.Scott and its almost dried up resources he's your man. But don't even think he's there to build that town up. he's supporting his hobbies and lifestyle at your expense and future expense. Pittsburgh keeps building up, and Ft.Scott keeps losing it's resource to it. Ft.Scott needs an outside source to access everything and help restore it.
Yeah yeah yeah

United States

#11 Feb 12, 2011
Shouldn't their job be to try to make our city better? Well then why are they backing down & retracting their part of the deal on things that would better our community? The city claimed that they could not afford to buy the Country Club/Golf Course, but when the generous local investors stepped up and offered to help, the city backed out on their part of the deal. Sounds to me like they have no desire to better our city. I know a lot of you think that would have only "bettered" the rich, but I do not see it that way. I am definately not rich. I believe a golf course is very attrative incentive to any company that may be looking for a place to relocate, and new companys bring new job opportunities.
HereThereEverywh ere

Fort Scott, KS

#12 Feb 16, 2011
Two thumbs down on both of them. I tried to get the figures from Susan Brown regarding: http://www.fstribune.com/story/1696852.html as the last time, the figures on revenues were grossly understated and my email has been referred to the committee that was addressed in the referenced article from the FS Tribune. Am I to believe that the City has not looked at what revenues and costs are involved with the renovations? They did not do very well when it came to the cost of renovations on the new city hall so maybe it doesn't make a difference and even the majority of city commissioners were not aware of the true cost of the renovations which I still do not understand since they voted on buying the building and renovating it. If that 1/2 sales tax increase passes, it will not be enough to fund the renovations and you will be looking at property tax increases. For every extra cent you spend on sales tax, it comes from somewhere else in your budget. They must expand the tax base and bring in jobs that pay more money and that is how the surrounding cities have done it and also across the nation. Per City-data: Median household incomes for the following cities are: Fort Scott:$30,667, Iola:$33,162, Chanute:$33,975, Parsons: 33,906 and Independence:$36,001 with Kansas being $47,817.(And, Dave Martin gets $70,000 which is more than double the median household income in Fort Scott). Also, I believe only one of those has a sales tax higher than the current sales tax in Fort Scott. Perhaps, rather than looking at increasing the sales tax, we should find a way to make the city commission and City be better stewards of our tax dollars? If I don't like it move? I'm trying. All prayers that it is soon would be greatly and sincerely appreciated as it just makes me sick to see the runaway train that the City is on. Prospective business owners would ride the roller coaster full of potholes past the decaying properties the City cannot afford to tear down and the weeded areas that the City could not afford to have mowed because they have funding issues. If it were not so sad, it would be funny.
The Hard Truth

Fort Scott, KS

#13 Feb 16, 2011
HereThereEverywhere wrote:
Two thumbs down on both of them. I tried to get the figures from Susan Brown regarding: http://www.fstribune.com/story/1696852.html as the last time, the figures on revenues were grossly understated and my email has been referred to the committee that was addressed in the referenced article from the FS Tribune. Am I to believe that the City has not looked at what revenues and costs are involved with the renovations? They did not do very well when it came to the cost of renovations on the new city hall so maybe it doesn't make a difference and even the majority of city commissioners were not aware of the true cost of the renovations which I still do not understand since they voted on buying the building and renovating it. If that 1/2 sales tax increase passes, it will not be enough to fund the renovations and you will be looking at property tax increases. For every extra cent you spend on sales tax, it comes from somewhere else in your budget. They must expand the tax base and bring in jobs that pay more money and that is how the surrounding cities have done it and also across the nation. Per City-data: Median household incomes for the following cities are: Fort Scott:$30,667, Iola:$33,162, Chanute:$33,975, Parsons: 33,906 and Independence:$36,001 with Kansas being $47,817.(And, Dave Martin gets $70,000 which is more than double the median household income in Fort Scott). Also, I believe only one of those has a sales tax higher than the current sales tax in Fort Scott. Perhaps, rather than looking at increasing the sales tax, we should find a way to make the city commission and City be better stewards of our tax dollars? If I don't like it move? I'm trying. All prayers that it is soon would be greatly and sincerely appreciated as it just makes me sick to see the runaway train that the City is on. Prospective business owners would ride the roller coaster full of potholes past the decaying properties the City cannot afford to tear down and the weeded areas that the City could not afford to have mowed because they have funding issues. If it were not so sad, it would be funny.
One of the nice things about this is that everyone who spends any money in Fort Scott contributes to the project. People from outside would use the amenities and they help to pay for it. Beyond that people who pass through town, come to town and shop in town pay as well thus lowering the burden on full time residents. Don't try to twist it into a property tax, that's not what it is and it's not as if people are simply guessing at numbers. Boo on Susan for referring you to the people that have the information you need?!? That's called delegating. She was sending you to the info you asked for, it was your choice to apparently not get it.
HereThereEverywh ere

Fort Scott, KS

#14 Feb 16, 2011
Hard Truth: Did you read the article in the newspaper where they talked about concrete wearing out? Where they talked about a property tax if the sales tax failed to raise enough funds? These are the people that I was referred to by an employee for the City. It is not delegating by a City employee when they send you to someone for information that is outside the chain of command and more like passing the buck! And, how would I know whether the "people" whoever they are are not guessing at the numbers? Guess I would not know. I put up with this same crap from the City the last time they voted on the increase. Since I posted, I have been able to get some info after talking with Dave Martin. Two thumbs up for Dave Martin and he has said that if the tax increase fails at the poll that it will not cause the pool to close. The City will ultimately be responsible for the debt so I expect them to be fully able to explain and present the facts and figures. So two thumbs up for Dave Martin and Susan two thumbs down for delegating outside the chain of command. The last time I got the figures early on and then again after the final paperwork was completed and most amazing was that the costs doubled and so did the expected revenues - now, those people need to be doing business internationally if they can pull that off. There were so many holes in the presentation the last time that I have no reason to blindly trust some unknown person with making decisions that could haunt the taxpayers for years to come. It is about accountability and I know that is a foreign word in Fort Scott but the library has a dictionary and very helpful personnel to point those not understanding the word to the appropriate source.
HereThereEverywh ere

Fort Scott, KS

#15 Feb 23, 2011
Someone was wanting to know the salary for Susan Brown, the Assistant City Manager, and that is $66,000 which is $4,000 less than Dave Martin. Not bad for an area where the median household income, stressing "entire" household is about $30,000 and with neither having actual city management experience. I know, "stakeholders". We, the taxpayers, are all "stakeholders".
HereThereEverywh ere

Fort Scott, KS

#16 Feb 24, 2011
I forgot to mention, two thumbs down on Dave Martin. I have went back to my first impression: How does someone let go from his last job end up as the city manager with a salary of $70,000 a year? I had a great deal of respect for Joe Turner and Dale Bunn and continue to be concerned about what is going on and you should be too. You got good honest people jumping ship and the new crew tied together making up a really big head composed of the city manager, economic development, personnel department and the accounting department. Checks and balances? Well, if you work for the City, document everything like your job depended on it. And, everyone else watch the debt mount.
Tellin it like it is

Fort Scott, KS

#17 Feb 24, 2011
Thom Prue, you may be the single most negative loud mouth Fort Scott has ever seen. I can not imagine why you stay here even if you can't sell your house. If I were as negative as you I could not, in good conscious, remain in a place that I detested so much. You and your attitude are like a virus to the area.
Lucky

Fort Scott, KS

#18 Feb 24, 2011
HereThereEverywhere wrote:
Someone was wanting to know the salary for Susan Brown, the Assistant City Manager, and that is $66,000 which is $4,000 less than Dave Martin. Not bad for an area where the median household income, stressing "entire" household is about $30,000 and with neither having actual city management experience. I know, "stakeholders". We, the taxpayers, are all "stakeholders".
If this is Susan's salary, she is overpaid!!!! This is ridiculous.
Taxpayers money being thrown around so recklessly.
HereThereEverywh ere

Fort Scott, KS

#19 Feb 24, 2011
Tellin' like it is: So, where is Thom Prue? The only virus here is the greed and selfishness of a handful of citizens that are trying to grow their wealth by devouring the taxpayers. Believe it or not, Thom Prue may not be the only dissatisfied person in this, I won't give you the nickname I use for this town. I am not Thom Prue. You aren't using your name and you aren't for darn sure "Tellin' it like it is". Go back under your rock until election day. Freedom of speech! Maybe, if you had the experiences I have had in the, again not giving the nickname I have for it, you might feel the same way. Look how dishonest the city government has been with the people, the fire and how they lied about the insurance deal, how they cheated on Dolly the Trolley and I was watching that deal go through and knew it was wrong by the standards set forth by the transportation department, the horror that Tri-Valley is and how all this stuff is covered up and that is just the tip of the iceberg! There are probably 200 houses on the market here right now and many will be facing foreclosure. OK, back under your rock so you can hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil!
WOW

Louisburg, KS

#20 Feb 24, 2011
The assistant city manager must be very talented to earn a salary of $66,000 per year. Just curious, in the time that she has been with the city, have the other directors experienced the same increase in wages? Wonder what she made when she first started 4 or 5 years ago? Might be an interesting cost comparison.

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