Animal rights group rallies at Ft Myers Beach

Apr 5, 2011 Full story: WZVN 32

FORT MYERS BEACH: Animal activist group Mercy for Animals rallied on Fort Myers Beach Monday afternoon, distributing flyers about vegetarianism to the public.

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“Queen of my domain”

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#1 Apr 5, 2011
"The bill would make it a misdemeanor to take pictures or record audio or video at a farm without the owner's written consent."

It is an invasion of privacy -- no one has the right to enter or take away information regarding private property or private corporate information without information. So does this mean that because ARAs believe that big ag is cruel that they automatically are granted the right to intrude and invade upon individual and corporate (private) property and data?

If this is how "veganism" is becoming more popular -- by forcing one's views onto the public, isn't that rather unethical?

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#2 Apr 5, 2011
^^without permission.^^

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#3 Apr 5, 2011
gokeefe wrote:
"The bill would make it a misdemeanor to take pictures or record audio or video at a farm without the owner's written consent."
It is an invasion of privacy -- no one has the right to enter or take away information regarding private property or private corporate information without information. So does this mean that because ARAs believe that big ag is cruel that they automatically are granted the right to intrude and invade upon individual and corporate (private) property and data?
If this is how "veganism" is becoming more popular -- by forcing one's views onto the public, isn't that rather unethical?
Do you feel that way about all "whistle blowers," or only those who would uncover cruelty behind factory farm walls?

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#4 Apr 5, 2011
metta wrote:
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Do you feel that way about all "whistle blowers," or only those who would uncover cruelty behind factory farm walls?
No. "Whistle blowers" generally have access to the information legally, without having to beak privacy laws--meaning they are either legally hired by an entity or are there typically on legal purposes. "Whistle blowing" laws typically are in relationship to government misdoing as well (at least that is my understanding).

What this law does seems to want to grant access to anyone, at anytime, access to private property. My "beef" with this proposal is just that: it's legalizing opening privately owned property to anyone who desires access. Would you wish to open your home's doors to anyone who wished to enter, regardless of their purpose OR if you were a business owner, would you allow anyone on your premises without first knowing their purpose or having hired them without at least an interview and/or background check? Remember, most employers today require background and criminal checks. This law provides what seems to be fairly wide open access to private property--a property whose primary business or reason for existence is not to serve the general public. It's not a Walmart...

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#5 Apr 5, 2011
gokeefe wrote:
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No. "Whistle blowers" generally have access to the information legally, without having to beak privacy laws--meaning they are either legally hired by an entity or are there typically on legal purposes. "Whistle blowing" laws typically are in relationship to government misdoing as well (at least that is my understanding).
What this law does seems to want to grant access to anyone, at anytime, access to private property. My "beef" with this proposal is just that: it's legalizing opening privately owned property to anyone who desires access. Would you wish to open your home's doors to anyone who wished to enter, regardless of their purpose OR if you were a business owner, would you allow anyone on your premises without first knowing their purpose or having hired them without at least an interview and/or background check? Remember, most employers today require background and criminal checks. This law provides what seems to be fairly wide open access to private property--a property whose primary business or reason for existence is not to serve the general public. It's not a Walmart...
Testimony of Dean Wyatt:

http://foodwhistleblower.org/storage/document...

http://foodwhistleblower.org/the-lifecycle-of...

These two articles say it better than I can why we need transparency in the food industry. When the management knows about these issues and turns a blind eye, what is to be done? Cruelty has been uncovered and prosecuted with the help of undercover videos.

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#6 Apr 5, 2011
metta wrote:
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Testimony of Dean Wyatt:
http://foodwhistleblower.org/storage/document...
http://foodwhistleblower.org/the-lifecycle-of...
These two articles say it better than I can why we need transparency in the food industry. When the management knows about these issues and turns a blind eye, what is to be done? Cruelty has been uncovered and prosecuted with the help of undercover videos.
Very good information and relevant--from someone within the industry.

Am reading through the testimony and other information. As I understand the testimony, Wyatt is proposing better staffing and stronger, more stringent USDA oversight and fines. A huge concern with many "animal rights" groups becoming involved in this is that they often have an ulterior motive. Mercy for Animals is a vegan animal-rights group whose primary motive seems to be to shut down any animal agriculture. Additionally, and I've stated this elsewhere, I do have some concerns over laws proposed such as this because they seem to have few limits--Google Earth could be construed to violate this law or anyone who takes a photo with the property in question in its background could as well.

However, it strikes me that this doesn't address the concern of property right. My original statements were not to shut up true "whistleblowers" who understand and are involved in the industry. They were designed primarily to attack the issue of violation of privacy and property issues. Many "animal rights" activists who participate in what seems to be an ambush of agriculture have also been known to use photography and videography that are not related to the topic in question -- to prove a point they will use videography or photography obtained elsewhere or have photoshopped the evidence. Often PETA and other groups have used this types of efforts for sensationalistic purposes rather than to expose a violation of law.

It's a tough-nut question for me.

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#7 Apr 5, 2011
metta wrote:
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Testimony of Dean Wyatt:
http://foodwhistleblower.org/storage/document...
http://foodwhistleblower.org/the-lifecycle-of...
These two articles say it better than I can why we need transparency in the food industry. When the management knows about these issues and turns a blind eye, what is to be done? Cruelty has been uncovered and prosecuted with the help of undercover videos.
Metta, thank you for this information. While I don't agree in total with you, it is relevant and insightful and good for discussion. I see this forum is starting to get a little "weird" again today.

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#8 Apr 5, 2011
metta wrote:
<quoted text> Testimony of Dean Wyatt: http://foodwhistleblower.org/storage/document... http://foodwhistleblower.org/the-lifecycle-of... These two articles say it better than I can why we need transparency in the food industry. When the management knows about these issues and turns a blind eye, what is to be done? Cruelty has been uncovered and prosecuted with the help of undercover videos.
Thank you for the links.

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#9 Apr 5, 2011
Gokeefe, what exactly is your purpose for flooding every thread in the ANIMAL RIGHTS forums EVERY SINGLE DAY all day and night?? It is clear that you have no interest in ending animal suffering or deaths, matter of fact you even derive a sick pleasure in frequently announcing the different dead animals that you consume. You ridicule people who speak out against animal suffering and deaths. What exactly is your purpose here on the ANIMAL RIGHTS forums every single day, night and late night? Can you answer that, or are you going to divert as usual?

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#11 Apr 5, 2011
Interesting that gokeefe pounces on posts that have nothing to do with the topic, but seems to ignore being asked a pretty simple question about why she spends so much time on the ANIMAL RIGHTS forums. Why would anyone spend their entire days and nights posting on a matter that they clearly do not comprehend and are not passionate about? Why would anyone spend so much time opposing compassion for sentient beings? Why aren't you pouncing on this thread, gokeefe? Cat got your tongue?

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@ahimsalife -
I find it funny that you state that gokeefe won't answer a simple question, but I've asked you countless questions over the past few months and you have yet to answer any of them.

Glass houses -- glass houses!

OOOHHH - by the way - gokeefe responded to your question, but on another thread.

TERRORIST!

“Ahimsa”

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#14 Apr 6, 2011
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<quoted text>Not doing any such thing.
But clearly, we are able to distiguish our pets from our food.
Any domesticated animal can be considered to be a "pet." I've had chickens, goats, a cow & a horse friend that I certainly wouldn't have eaten. And yet, these animals are all considered to be food, by some. Some cats/dogs are seen as food and eaten in other countries. But here, we see them as our companion animals. It's our perception of these animals that is the difference, not the animals themselves.

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#15 Apr 6, 2011
Just Rambling wrote:
@ahimsalife -
I find it funny that you state that gokeefe won't answer a simple question, but I've asked you countless questions over the past few months and you have yet to answer any of them.
Glass houses -- glass houses!
OOOHHH - by the way - gokeefe responded to your question, but on another thread.
TERRORIST!
It's a method of diversion for HAP, to draw attention to herself and "pollute" the discussion. That is all I am saying and hopefully that will get through her head.

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#16 Apr 6, 2011
AhimsaLife wrote:
Gokeefe, what exactly is your purpose for flooding every thread in the ANIMAL RIGHTS forums EVERY SINGLE DAY all day and night?? It is clear that you have no interest in ending animal suffering or deaths, matter of fact you even derive a sick pleasure in frequently announcing the different dead animals that you consume. You ridicule people who speak out against animal suffering and deaths. What exactly is your purpose here on the ANIMAL RIGHTS forums every single day, night and late night? Can you answer that, or are you going to divert as usual?
Its a puplic forum anyone can post, normal people may have concerns about Petas killing rampage at their shelters or Peta's long term plans of phasing out companion animals

“Ahimsa”

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#18 Apr 6, 2011
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<quoted text>Agree with you, dear and I wouldn't razz you about seeing them as pets but perceiving these animals as pets or food is also a choice. If I had a yard full of chickens, I would choose to see them as food or at the least, a source of eggs.
The chicken is still the same no matter how we humans choose to perceive them. I like the little critters myself (not to eat), and enjoy watching the drama unfold in the barnyard. I've had calves suckle my fingers and follow me around. Love those guys, too.

:)

AND, nobody EVER razzes me!!! LOL
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Laughing at the insanity wrote:
<quoted text>Its a puplic forum anyone can post, normal people may have concerns about Petas killing rampage at their shelters or Peta's long term plans of phasing out companion animals
WOW your avatar instantly reminded of a KFC, Question what's a "puplic forum"?

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#20 Apr 6, 2011
Tasty Meat wrote:
<quoted text>WOW your avatar instantly reminded of a KFC, Question what's a "puplic forum"?
Suppose to be ""PUBLIC"" the word "ME" is missing from your post

I am surprised politicians listen to ARA idiots who see humans as a plague

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#21 Apr 6, 2011
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text> It's a method of diversion for HAP, to draw attention to herself and "pollute" the discussion. That is all I am saying and
NO, psychokeefe, it is YOU who has once again diverted. You won't answer my question because you CAN'T answer it will a rational reason why you obsess over the ANIMAL RIGHTS forums every waking hour of your every day, LITERALLY.You fool no one but yourself. You despise anyone who speaks out against animal cruelty, suffering and deaths. You ridicule anyone who fights against animal suffering and senseless deaths. You have, ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, bragged about whatever dead animal you have recently eaten.You are a disturbed individual, and every sane person who reads your posts that POLLUTE every single ANIMAL RIGHTS thread sees what a disturbed person you are. NO ONE of sane mind spends their entire day obsessing over forums, ESPECIALLY when the topic is something they have no concept of and are not passionate about. You fool NO ONE but yourself.

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#23 Apr 6, 2011
Asswind Detector wrote:
<quoted text>I had a dead chicken tonight.
I saved the lips for you though.
Its a shame you didnt choke on it and die.
farmer

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#25 Apr 6, 2011
Invasion of privacy. Do people have the right to come into your homes with undercover cameras?

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