Insurance industry offers concessions...

Insurance industry offers concessions in bid to block a propose...

There are 289 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from May 6, 2009, titled Insurance industry offers concessions in bid to block a propose.... In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Health insurance companies are offering new concessions, including lower rates for millions of women, as they try to persuade Congress not to set up a government health plan to compete against them.

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Likely Voter

Boynton Beach, FL

#1 May 12, 2009
But Obama promised nothing would change for those who had and were happy with their current ins. He won't let them charge us more, will he?:)
Out w democrats

United States

#2 May 12, 2009
Here is what the democrats espouse: TAX INCREASES!!! for healthcare.

Taxes coming out of YOUR paycheck to pay for nationalized healthcare....the government is YOU...they need part of your wages to pay for nationalized healthcare....think ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS...that's why YOU will have MORE money taken out of YOUR paycheck to pay for their healthcare.

Baucus' idea does NOT say what a "high income" is ....is that $40K,$50K,$60K,$70K....it's vague...because the DEMOCRATS want to tax everyone for NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE....not just the "rich", but everyone who makes over a certain (Baucus won't say) income.

And why doesn't Baucus say the amount...because he knows there would be a backlash.

Time to vote out democrats....they are tax fiends. Tax, tax, tax!
Obama Nation

Boca Raton, FL

#3 May 13, 2009
Hurray!! The Super Democrats, the same people that ran Social Security into the ground, the same people that drove Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into ruin, the same people that that run the Post Office like a well oiled machine, that overspent every dollar by a factor of TWO, are now going to FIX healthcare?!?!?!

I must be dreaming.
stop the madness

United States

#5 May 14, 2009
Federal workers don't receive Social Security benefits...they never paid into it.

If Social Security is changed, so should the federal CSRS and FIRS.

Make sure ALL Americans suffer under the changes the government is making to social security, medicare and medicaid.

And that includes senators, congresspeople, governors, etc.

It just shouldn't be us "little people" but ALL people.

Watch and make sure everyone is included and there is no special accomodations for those in elected office who retire with full salary that we taxpayers pay for.

We get screwed by these people all the time.

Shame on elected officials from all parties.

“Tell the Truth”

Since: Nov 07

Orlando, Florida

#6 May 14, 2009
What a great idea. At least there will be something available to those who don't have company sponsored healthcare.
NO Obamacare

United States

#7 Jun 1, 2009
Zeke Emanuel, Senior Medical Advisor in the White House, is proposing a VAT-Value Added Tax on EVERYTHING YOU BUY, EVERYTHING.

They have it in Israel, the adored home of Zeke and his brother, Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel. Nepotism in the White House.

They are trying to make us look like Israel.(BTW, Rahm did serve in the Israeli army, but did NOT bother to serve in the US army-it's only Israel they are loyal too. It's all about Israel.

Here's the VAT.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Here's an article on VAT in the Emanuels' beloved Israel.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite...

Seems like these guys want to re-make the US into Israel.

We don't need to be like Israel.

Rahm also implemented COMPULSORY, MANDATORY, CONSCRIPTION- National Service here in the US. It's just like.....you guessed...Israel's National Service!
http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...

So, Israeli healthcare and mandatory service...are the Emanuel brothers, AIPAC making sure we become the next Israel?

Call or email your representatives and tell them NO to Nationalized Healthcare and NO to MANDATORY, FORCED National Service.

Vote out democrats. Balance this country.

So far Obama has mandated your children into crappy schools (while he had his daughters in charter school and now private school);
compulsory service-sorry that's a draft and you can bet there will be more "education" jammed down their throats,
and your children will be told by the government what healthcare they can have
and what they can and can't eat
and finally YOUR CHILDREN GET TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS MESS ALONG WITH THEIR CHILDREN, YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, Long term debt!

Ain't Obama and the democrats FUN? Call and vote in every election.

Remember Obama just said, "you ain't seen nuthin' yet" while he was increasing his carbon footprint in Nevada, California in just one day.(we just paid for a date for the Obamas-$24K one plane, 2 copters fly them to NYat OUR COST)

Obama was talking to the jews in Hollywood..Katzenburg, Geffen, Speilberg. The people who funded Obama's election and want Americans to die fighting for Israel while no Israeli fights along side of our men.

And don't forget spying charges, by our wonderful friends the Israelis, were dropped by the Obama administration....hmmm wonder if Rahm had anything to do with it?

http://www.thejc.com/articles/israel-spy%E2%8...

Seems loyalty in the White House is for Israel, not the US.

Scary stuff! No wonder the Arab states hate the US. Israel has infiltrated the White House! The jews are running things. Those Arabs and others aren't stupid, they know what country is pulling the strings of the US foreign policy.

And we, the taxpayer, gave Israel $90,000,000,000, yep, that's billion!
Bob

United States

#8 Jun 1, 2009
stop the madness wrote:
Federal workers don't receive Social Security benefits...they never paid into it.
If Social Security is changed, so should the federal CSRS and FIRS.
Make sure ALL Americans suffer under the changes the government is making to social security, medicare and medicaid.
And that includes senators, congresspeople, governors, etc.
It just shouldn't be us "little people" but ALL people.
Watch and make sure everyone is included and there is no special accomodations for those in elected office who retire with full salary that we taxpayers pay for.
We get screwed by these people all the time.
Shame on elected officials from all parties.
It makes me sick when I read party loyalists blast the other party for our problems as if their own party is free of blame. BOTH the Repubs and Dems are to blame for the financial mess this country is in. This has been going on for centuries. Now the spending is truly out of control and somehow the public is trusting those same thieves and b.a.s.t.a.r.d.s. that put us in this mess to get us out. The Repubs blame the Dems, the Dems blame the Repubs. I have to repeat, BOTH PARTIES ARE AT FAULT.
The first thing we should do to fix the problem is to take away all health and pension benefits from ALL members of Congress so their families won't benefit, then take all those members of Congress out for a public execution for breaking the publics trust. Install new members with the understanding that if they were to line their own pockets like the previous members did, then the would be executed too. Tell them their first priority was to pay off the National Debt. There's so much waste in government, it should be easy to eliminate that waste. Then take away Congresses ability to vote themselves their own raises. I'm sure most people can't go up to their boss and say "I'm giving myself a raise whether you like it or not" Then enact term limits.
It took over two hundred years for those Clowns we and our ancestors voted into Congress over the years to ruin this country, it'll take hundreds more to fix their mistakes. We need to take them down off their self imposed pedestal and make them realize that they work for us.
LOU

Spartanburg, SC

#9 Jun 1, 2009
ITS LIKE THIS....OUR PRESIDENT PROMISED TO CLOSE GITMO BUT DID NOT HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY BEFORE OPENING HIS MOUTH NOW LOOK AT THE MESS ...HE BAILED OUT CHRYSLER AND GM AND THEY WENT AND FILED 3 MONTHS LATER .ONCE AGAIN DID NOT HAVE A EXIT PLAN.NOW HE WANTS TO TAKE OVER GM GIVE 30 BILLION MORE AND WE STILL HAVE NOT HEARD AN EXIT STRATEGY.NOW HE WANTS TO GO TO HEALTHCARE.GIVE ME A BREAK ..THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND GETTING OUT OF CONTROL.GET THE POST OFFICE TO MAKE A PROFIT BEFORE YOU TRY TO RUN ANYTHING ELSE.REMEMBER THAT WORD YOU USED MR PRESIDENT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.HAVE SOME INTEGRITY AND PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH

“Make America Great Again”

Since: Jun 07

Bring Obama Back!

#10 Jun 1, 2009
We are seeing what real leadership looks like. President Obama told the Health Care Industry to come up with a plan to cut cost and they came back with one rather quickly. But I guarantee that President Obama will find ways to cut cost even more for middle class. It is great to have a President that fights for all of America.
Bob

United States

#11 Jun 1, 2009
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
We are seeing what real leadership looks like. President Obama told the Health Care Industry to come up with a plan to cut cost and they came back with one rather quickly. But I guarantee that President Obama will find ways to cut cost even more for middle class. It is great to have a President that fights for all of America.
Fake Marine Pattywacker. Your butt-buddy Obozo and his administration are too stupid to know if a plan to cut cost is a good one or not. Just look what happened to General Motors after we spent billions to bail them out. Pattywacker you're actually dumber than your president
Dss

Pompano Beach, FL

#12 Jun 1, 2009
The simple Cure : Tax The real KIller alcohol by 50% Like you did SMokers,Walla Problem Solved and Millions of Lives SPARED,Billions of Medical Bills Saved,Court Costs,Child and Spousal Abuse,Murders,Rapes,Suicides,C ar Accidents,Boating accidents,And so on and SO ON..........PERIOD
Dss

Pompano Beach, FL

#13 Jun 1, 2009
IMPAIRED DRIVING IN FLORIDA

Incidence of Impaired Driving

For one of every 110 miles driven in Florida in 2000, a person with a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) >.08 sat behind the wheel. Police in Florida reported 23,578 crashes involving a driver or pedestrian with a BAC of .01 or more. Formulas developed by NHTSA were used to estimate the number of alcohol-related crashes where alcohol involvement was not reported by the police. An estimated total of 135,300 crashes in Florida involved alcohol which killed 1,191 and injured an estimated 49,100 people.

Impaired Driving by Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC)

In 2000, Florida drivers with:

� BACs of .10 and above were involved in an estimated 128,800 crashes that killed 930 and injured 43,000

� BACs between .08-.09 were involved in an estimated 2,200 crashes that killed 76 and injured 1,900

� Positive BACs below .08 were involved in an estimated 4,300 crashes that killed 185 and injured 4,200

Costs

Alcohol is a factor in 25% of Florida�s crash costs. Alcohol-related crashes in Florida cost the public an estimated $7.8 billion in 2000, including $3.5 billion in monetary costs and almost $4.3 billion in quality of life losses.(For definitions of the cost categories, see the definitions fact sheet.) Alcohol-related crashes are deadlier and more serious than other crashes. People other than the drinking driver paid $4.8 billion of the alcohol-related crash bill.

Costs per Alcohol-Related Injury

The average alcohol-related fatality in Florida costs $3.4 million:

� $1.1 million in monetary costs

� $2.3 million in quality of life losses

The estimated cost per injured survivor of an alcohol-related crash averaged $99,000:

� $49,000 in monetary costs

� $50,000 in quality of life losses
And Smoking Does WHAT ??????????
Dss

Pompano Beach, FL

#14 Jun 1, 2009
Consequences of alcohol use impact not only the individual and their immediate families, but entire communities as well. Research has shown a causal link between alcohol use and adverse events such as traffic collisions, illnesses, injuries, and crimes (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2008). These adverse events incur financial costs; though economic costs have been estimated on a national level, there has been very little research on a state specific level. This study analyzed the annual economic costs caused by alcohol use in Florida, examining in detail the burden borne by the healthcare system, the criminal justice system, and the transportation system. Such an analysis is necessary to determine the extent of the problem.
Our analysis yields the following findings for Florida:

Over 9 billion drinks are consumed in Florida each year. Among persons who drink, this translates into 88 drinks per person every month.

6,276 deaths occur annually due to alcohol use. This means that 17 people lose their life every day consequent to alcohol use.

The economic costs of alcohol attributable adverse events are estimated to be $21,074,535,025. This means that $2,405,769 is spent every hour consequent to alcohol use. This translates into a little over $40,000 spent every minute due to alcohol use.

Approximately 3% of Florida’s Gross Domestic Product is spent on adverse events caused by alcohol.

The total costs translate to approximately $1300 per persons over the age of 12 every year.
II. Detailed Findings
Our research yields the following findings:
Injuries
Injury costs were estimated using the willingness to pay approach. Injuries caused by alcohol use comprised the largest portion of costs at $24,397,533.

5 fatal injuries occur every day consequent to alcohol use.

$66,842

And Smoker's Cause WHAT ?

This Is Just Florida
No to taxing

United States

#15 Jun 2, 2009
No! NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE will NOT be good for the economy.

Obama wants a VAT - Value Added Tax- of 10%. Prcies will increas on EVERYTHING you buy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

People will stop buying things and think twice about spending their money.

And all one gets from Obamacare: is the government deciding what healthcare you get. What test you get, what procedures are recommended for you. It's government CONTROL of your healthcare. Your doctor and you don't decide. The doctor consults a protocol to SEE what the GOVERNMENT recommends.

All the Obama administration wants is YOUR money. That's all the Obama administration knows: TAX TAX TAX.

Obama's TAX and TRADE will increase cost of gas, electricity.
Businesses will see the increase and guess what the businesses are going to do...RAISE THEIR PRICES. That's EVERY business increasing their prices.

Obama's Secretary of Transportation, LaHood, is talking about people being charged for each mile they drive in their private vehicles....wow, another Obama TAX!
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/02/go...

The only thing Obama wants is your money. Isn't that what all democrats do? Look at your local officials...it's democrats who are raising the fees, licenses, charging for boat ramps, increasing your property taxes, increasing your school taxes, charging for less water use (!). Get them out of office.

If you think about it. All Obama has been doing is SPENDING taxpayers' money and leaving us in debt for generations to come.

And now Obama wants to TAX MORE. Vote the guy out of office in 2012. His nice little speeches, that he can't seem to deliver without a screen are getting tired. It's day in and day out that Obama's head swivels from right to left as he keeps telling us he's taking OUR MONEY and giving it to others and going to TAX us more.

As Obama said, "You ain't seen nothing yet!" he will bankrupt this country. Vote him out and other democrats out of office.

They just take and take and take.
No to taxing

United States

#16 Jun 2, 2009
Dss wrote:
The simple Cure : Tax The real KIller alcohol by 50% Like you did SMokers,Walla Problem Solved and Millions of Lives SPARED,Billions of Medical Bills Saved,Court Costs,Child and Spousal Abuse,Murders,Rapes,Suicides,C ar Accidents,Boating accidents,And so on and SO ON..........PERIOD
The government wants to tax sugar.
The government wants to tax guns.
The government wants to tax flour.
The government wants to tax everything.

Stop trying to control people. Just because some people abused alcohol, guns, sugar, fast food, etc. doesn't mean the entire country and everybody in it have to suffer for the rest of those who abuse. Tax them, not the balance of people who don't abuse.
Damn Yanker

Altamonte Springs, FL

#17 Jun 4, 2009
Out w democrats wrote:
Here is what the democrats espouse: TAX INCREASES!!! for healthcare.
Taxes coming out of YOUR paycheck to pay for nationalized healthcare....the government is YOU...they need part of your wages to pay for nationalized healthcare....think ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS...that's why YOU will have MORE money taken out of YOUR paycheck to pay for their healthcare.
Baucus' idea does NOT say what a "high income" is ....is that $40K,$50K,$60K,$70K....it's vague...because the DEMOCRATS want to tax everyone for NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE....not just the "rich", but everyone who makes over a certain (Baucus won't say) income.
And why doesn't Baucus say the amount...because he knows there would be a backlash.
Time to vote out democrats....they are tax fiends. Tax, tax, tax!
I am already having a "Medicare" deduction taken from my paycheck but I do not get the benefits until age 65 if it is still available like social security. I would gladly have a similar deduction taken if it provided me with healthcare now. I wouldn't consider it a tax... it would be considered my premium for health insurance and there would be a substantial net savings for me compared to the dividend paying rapist money mongers that I pay now for insurance that only look for ways to deny coverage and increase executive pay.
obamaramadindong

Pompano Beach, FL

#18 Jun 4, 2009
The government can't even handle the $40 coupon for the DTV conversion box, they've botched the running of the VA, bankrupted Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security is a mess, auto bailouts will work as well as Amtrak....

...anyone who thinks they can magically run a national health care system is on drugs.

Now everybody sing!:

Obama-rama-ding-dong (yeah, yeah)

Obama-rama-ding-dong (yeah, yeah)

Obama-rama-ding-dong (yeah, yeah)

Obama-rama-ding-dong (yeah, yeah)

(sing to the tune of "Land of 1000 Dances")

or try

Gimmie free stuff, gimmie free stuff obama
gimmie free stuff before I go
gimmie free stuff, gimmie free stuff obama
and I'll never vote GOP no more, for sure

(sing to the tune of "Gimmie Three Steps" by Lynard Skynard)

kum-by-ya-obama-rama-ding-dong !
Sid

Hollywood, FL

#19 Jun 4, 2009
If Mr Obama taxes my health care benefits I will drop my coverage. If coverage is mandatory seen men with uniforms and guns to take me away
obamaramadindong

Pompano Beach, FL

#20 Jun 4, 2009
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
We are seeing what real leadership looks like. President Obama told the Health Care Industry to come up with a plan to cut cost and they came back with one rather quickly. But I guarantee that President Obama will find ways to cut cost even more for middle class. It is great to have a President that fights for all of America.
Lighten up, Francis or Uncle Hulka will have you scrubbing latrines...again.
beachgal

United States

#21 Jun 4, 2009
Damn Yanker wrote:
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I am already having a "Medicare" deduction taken from my paycheck but I do not get the benefits until age 65 if it is still available like social security. I would gladly have a similar deduction taken if it provided me with healthcare now. I wouldn't consider it a tax... it would be considered my premium for health insurance and there would be a substantial net savings for me compared to the dividend paying rapist money mongers that I pay now for insurance that only look for ways to deny coverage and increase executive pay.
It would be easy that way. HOWEVER, the benefits you are given will not compete with what you have now. And if you looked at the medicare plan right now, you would be amazed at your out of pocket costs. There's no free and cheap ride, unless we raise taxes. I will also say once this program goes into effect, employers will DROP their programs and have you go get your public insurance. So, this remark of saying that you will have a choice is ridiculous. Employers will not offer company sponsored programs.

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