NCAA's punishment of Florida State un...

NCAA's punishment of Florida State unfairly tarnishes Bobby Bow...

There are 157 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Mar 6, 2009, titled NCAA's punishment of Florida State unfairly tarnishes Bobby Bow.... In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

S ix obscure committee members did what nobody else has been able to do in the legendary coach's 50 years in the business.

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Longview, TX

#45 Mar 7, 2009
Childish reasoning, Mikey.
You get the corner office and the big money, you gotta have big shoulders.

Altamonte Springs, FL

#46 Mar 7, 2009
Mike I can't agree with this stance for several reasons.

Look, we know it probably happens everywhere, kids cheat, but that has to fall on the coach when they get caught. He's the man in charge, he should have put people and safeguards in place to catch this sort of thing.

Second, you advocate giving up future scholarships to have past wins restored? So basically you want to hamstring future coaches and athletes so B. Bowden can have the all-time wins record? How is that fair to the program or the kids who will be playing for FSU in the future? Look I know the record is really important to him, but when those records come by ignoring improper behavior (willful ignorance of what is happening is no excuse), they darn well should be taken away.

Clermont, FL

#47 Mar 7, 2009
McGwire, Bonds, and Rose will never be in the Baseball Hall of Fame for the same reason that Bobby will never be credited for being the all time winningest coach..... They cheated.
Iron Head

West Monroe, LA

#48 Mar 7, 2009
Legacy? Didn't Bill Clinton start all this by trying to tell us what his legacy as a president would be? The news media has tried to tell us what everyone's legacy will be since.

His legacy is he was impeached.

Coach Bowden's legacy will be the program he helped build at FSU. It will be a combination of the greatest years of college football this country has ever watched with the stories of some of the stupid things his players did off the field.

You recruit the best players our high schools have to offer and you'll get some of the dumbest students our government schools have produced.

Your reputation is what others think of you. Your character is what you are.

Your legacy will be how historians and fans remember you. Not how you or the media want us to remember you.

Maitland, FL

#49 Mar 7, 2009
That four year probation should also have included "no tv, no bowls". I know the arguement that it ultimately hurts the conference, but FSU really hasn't been that big of a factor in the ACC the past few years. Let them stay home for the holidays and finish their season with Florida the next four years. I'm sure that at least the games would be more competitive that way....


#50 Mar 7, 2009
mike is one of the reasons i dont buy the sentinel
Brie from Orlando

Clermont, FL

#51 Mar 7, 2009
So because the NCAA is in charge of dealing with cheating situations like this and is responsible for handing out penalties, they're the ones who tainted Bowden's legacy??? Way off base Bianci. The players and staff who were involved in this are the ones who did the tainting, not the NCAA. That's like saying the high school principle who suspended the 4.0 GPA valedictorian for smoking pot in the bathroom tainted is academic career.

The way you're saying it, if any coach has built up such a huge legacy and reputation as Bowden, they should be above the reprocussions of illegal actions by NCAA standard. That's ridiculous! It doesn't matter if he was directly involved or not, his program was involved and, as a result, his program will be punnished. Same for EVERY sport at FSU that was involved! The track and field teams, softball team, men's golf, basektball, etc. ALL have to forfeit wins, championships, and records, but you feel that the only person who was wronged in all this was Bowden. Get over yourself.
GG Central Florida

Herndon, VA

#52 Mar 7, 2009
Shame on Bowden.....Paterno.....Carroll etc if they do not know what is going on in their programs! The punishment is just. Academic integrity is of utmost importance for any institution of higher education. As with any major company or corporation, a CEO takes the fall for what happens under their watch whether he or she is directly involved or not. That is the way it is.......that is what happened......and the consequences are what they are. Maybe he should have been involved and this would not have happened - or would it have continued? Past transgressions have been repeated with the FSU program so one would get suspicious. It stinks for Mr. Bowden, but it is what it is and a Captain always goes down with his ship!

United States

#53 Mar 7, 2009
i feel so sad-get the crying towels out. in garnet and gold of course.
joe pa

United States

#54 Mar 7, 2009
he probably doesn't know they are taking the wins away. i win!
do we cheat m N How

Daytona Beach, FL

#55 Mar 7, 2009
FSU and Tallahassee ; Soddom & Gommorah

The entire city lacks Ethics and integrity. Way too many examples!!

Integrity is Tony Dungy, Joe Paterno, Dick Vermeil; Don Shula, etc.-- Bowden never was and never will be in this class. FSU GOT off EASY.

Windermere, FL

#57 Mar 7, 2009
take a look then at Urban Meyer and his program. you will definitely find some problems there too.

Sarasota, FL

#58 Mar 7, 2009
First of all, any and all college sports recruit players for enrollment in a university setting. However,it is administration/admissions that allow enrollment to occur. For that reason alone it is the fault as well on any administration/admission dept. for letting such athletes "slip" in.
Second for all you athletic haters out there you need to do your research. Across the board athletic dept. athletes, have higher GPA than the overall student body at most universities, because of graduation requirements imposed by the NCAA on college athletics and on coaches athletes graduate as well at a higher ratio than overall student body at most universities. So research and get your facts straight.
The athletes involved were led, yes led by those entrusted by the AASS (Academic Achievement Support Staff) which acts independently of and outside of the jurisdiction of the head coaches. It is the reason that most likely truth be told Bowden or any other coach at any other school would be unaware. The sad fact is that while that may be true, you do not hear much in this case or any other as to the "institutional control" of the music course professor whose class these athletes were taking. The fact is that the primary person responsible for this was an AASS staff member who refused to cooperate in this investigation with the NCAA (which is also a major violation under NCAA rules).
According to the report FSU from the President on down took measures to keep those players involved out of game participation when and if the players name surfaced. If that was done in good faith along the way no victory achieved on the field would thereby be needed to vacate. That however will play itself out as they review who did or did not play. As for Coach Bowden or any other Coach in America, they are hired to coach their sport and paid to win over the course of their contract pure and simple. They are not hired to oversee Professors who have little or in this case no control over how their course is taught to students. Monitoring student progress is one thing by the coaching staff, overseeing University sponsored classes and the professors hired to teach and oversee them is another. It is this fact that seems to always be lost by the NCAA when examining any program impropriety as relates to athletics and why, because for the most part the NCAA is controlled through University Presidents that find it easier to blame a coach than those they themselves have hired in admissions and the classroom that in the case of this FSU debacle are the real root cause of the problem.
My name is Coco

Atlanta, GA

#59 Mar 7, 2009
What scary is that even cheating couldn't help FSU field really good football teams. These cheaters were losing 4 to 5 games a year. retire Bobby. Do it now.

Orlando, FL

#60 Mar 7, 2009
1)While you started off listing people that couldn't tarnish Bobby's legacy you were way off. Urban and Tim never lost to Bobby and actually don't even make it a competitive game any more.
2)Bobby counts wins that are at sub division schools that should not count in the record for D1 against Joe Paterno (who won against better competion in the big Ten vs ACC)
3) TK should be the one you blame for taking the oversite from the athletic department to the administration.
4) The NCAA is penalizing all the sports teams that played athletes involved in the cheating scandel not just football players. The Track team may forfeit a title or two. Mike Martin may not get to his record with baseball wins. And Mike Martin is a lot more of a class individual then Ole Bobby!
Poor Ole Bobby, what about all the other coaches and teams?

Since: Aug 08


#62 Mar 7, 2009
Hey Mike: uhh, "Bobby Bowden did what what others couldn't do?" And preytell what was THAT? Cheat to win games, to become the "winningest coach" of all time? In THIS case, YES. Bobby did what others couldn't do. LOL! Please get a REAL life. Bobby and his Noles have been investigated by the NCAA for YEARS: 1980's, 1990's, 2000's. This is a FACT. It's NOT like the NCAA is just NOW investigating him. He illigeally earned wins via fraud, etc. His knowing or not, Bobby is incompetent. He knew something.

Winter Haven, FL

#63 Mar 7, 2009
Dick from Rockledge- I guess Urban should have known one of his players was a rapist....
Richard from Rockledge wrote:
Mike, you are way off base on this. The FSU program has a long history of player misconduct, and Bowden has always been step behind in controlling it. Whether it be free shoes, special department store discounts, or players getting extra help on term papers and tests. Utimately, Bowden is responsible and has to answer for it. If he were so great why would he have to rely on such a dubious cast of characters to get where he is?

Orlando, FL

#64 Mar 7, 2009
FSU Grad wrote:
Bowden is not more important than the university. His reputation should not be a consideration. And of the proposed poll, his son Jeff damaged Bobby more than the NCAA. And Jeff damaged the university and the team, which is worse. All because blood is thicker than water and a lack of employer and team loyalty [many people do not subscribe to this tribal holdover].
By the way, Bobby always said how terrific his son was ... one of the best offensive coordinators ... and yet where is he working? The market for such a terrific coach has told us the demand is zero. Still.
Your wrong now Ann made Terry hire him!

Jacksonville, FL

#65 Mar 7, 2009
Maybe Bobby Bowden should have been coaching at a school that took adademics more seriously. There's a proverb that says, "he who walks with fools will suffer harm.:"

Oxford, PA

#66 Mar 7, 2009
"...Bobby doesn't know what his players are doing on the field half the time..."
If this is indeed true, then he shouldn't be given credit for the victories. He is the leader of the FSU program and as such should be held responsible for the actions of his program.

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