Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[Frijoles]

MAAT wrote:

LOANS Israel itself got nothing for free.
Now it's based on import export.
And do distinguish between what goes to the areas and Israel itself and f.i. to churches that owe land in Israel and that are organised in N.G.O.'s.. Billions have gone to 'palestinians'.

Yes, in the mix are a couple of subtleties which were glossed over.

Its been based on import/exports for quite a few years now. A requirement of the aid is that a certain percentage of it must be used to buy American products - I actually have a friend who works in international development whose job it is to find such eligible products as a condition of American foreign aid (not specifically to Israel, but to everywhere which gets US military aid).

And I dont think I even mentioned the NGO aid, of which very little, if any, go to the Jews.

[Frijoles]

MAAT wrote:

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Mon, you're effin BRILLIANT!
We would never 've come up with a question like that.:P

But he still doesnt get it.

(and) he still doesnt realize that Rabbi Boteach is not a Messianic Christian.

[Eric]

MUQ wrote:

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But they are unwelcome in Isreal.... I think they should remove the title "Jew" from their names and live in any country of the world.

Exactly, Mecca

[Frijoles]

MUQ wrote:

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Ans.

03. If you put a boy in isolation, he will never believe in any of the idols and shapes and Trinity and God becoming a Human etc.
He will believe in a shapeless God that is Creator of this Universe. People who have studied the lives of tribes living in jungles isolated from other humans have come to the same conclusion.

The oldest human religion, and the most commonly encountered tribal religion, is shamanism.

Most forms of Islam are not shamanistic, though the sufis come close in their use of altered states.

Shamanism (pron.:/&#712;&#643; &#593;&#720;m&#601 ;n/ shah-m&#601;n or /&#712;&#643;e&#61 8;m&#601;n/ shay-m&#601;n) is a practice that involves a practitioner reaching altered states of consciousness in order to encounter and interact with the spirit world.[2] A shaman is a person regarded as having access to, and influence in the world of benevolent and malevolent spirits, who typically enters into a trance state during a ritual, and practices divination and healing.[3]

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

JOEL wrote:

Creation from nothing is fiction.

rabbee: that is not a good excuse, for you to be all not here in TheTorah fiction.

and just because you reject, the true name of TheStory of Creation we are all here in. does not mean we are, not all here in IT again.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

JOEL wrote:

Religion is redundant!

rabbee: the never changing truth, is always redundantly spoken. as only the lies of the world, constantly change to your evil need.

truth is much simpler, than the lie. since you do not have to remember, all the fictional false reality crap you made up.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

lies give the illusion, of making your own knows grow. peenokieknows!

no G-Dless government, has ever had any real peace. and here you all are, still without peace in the world.

the type of guy, who'll try anything once. so i would not repeat, the same mistake. untill i discovered, it's still all the same mistake without G-D.

[HughBe]

MAAT wrote:

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Mon, you're effin BRILLIANT!
We would never 've come up with a question like that.:P

HughBe---why compare REAL/Jesus with fiction/Homer, wise child?

Maat---Mon, you're effin BRILLIANT!

HughBe--- Thanks Maat, it is a GIFT.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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HughBe---why compare REAL/Jesus with fiction/Homer, wise child?
Maat---Mon, you're effin BRILLIANT!
HughBe--- Thanks Maat, it is a GIFT.

“Irony is wasted on the stupid”
&#8213; Oscar Wilde

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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I never DOUBTED the existence of historical Jesus. In fact, numerous times I have cited Boteach myself, and in fact it was me that offered him to you. HOWEVER, I never said Jesus absolutely existed either. I am agnostic on the matter.
So lets put that STRAW ARGUMENT digression out of the way, and return to my earlier question which created this round of discussion.
My position is that truth is truth, whether it comes from sci fi, or cartoons, or "religious" texts - those are merely mediums.

HughBe---"myopic head" is interesting. Here is a secret, it was one of a series of posts to prove a point. In addition, any honest and moderately intelligent person who reads their comments on the matter would not take it to mean that they believe that Jesus was a work of fiction.

Frijoles---I never DOUBTED the existence of historical Jesus. In fact, numerous times I have cited Boteach myself, and in fact it was me that offered him to you. HOWEVER, I never said Jesus absolutely existed either. I am agnostic on the matter.

HughBe--- Really? Are you conscious of the things that you WRITE? Do you understand the utter RUBBISH that you habitually write? NO.

Take your time and follow your own words. YOUR words,"I never DOUBTED the existence of historical Jesus..... I am AGNOSTIC on the matter."

Genius what is the meaning of AGNOSTIC? Reconcile you being an AGNOSTIC with you NEVER doubting.

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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I never DOUBTED the existence of historical Jesus. In fact, numerous times I have cited Boteach myself, and in fact it was me that offered him to you. HOWEVER, I never said Jesus absolutely existed either. I am agnostic on the matter.
So lets put that STRAW ARGUMENT digression out of the way, and return to my earlier question which created this round of discussion.
My position is that truth is truth, whether it comes from sci fi, or cartoons, or "religious" texts - those are merely mediums.

Frijoles---Silly child, I never said Homer was real

HughBe---why compare REAL/Jesus with fiction/Homer, wise child?

Frijoles---All i asked was that you prove that your DELUSION figure was any less fictitious than my delusion figure

HughBe--- In what way is Jesus a "DELUSION figure"?

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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“Irony is wasted on the stupid”
&#8213; Oscar Wilde

HughBe---why compare REAL/Jesus with fiction/Homer, wise child?

Maat---Mon, you're EFFIN BRILLIANT!

HughBe--- Thanks Maat, it is a GIFT.

Frijoles---“Irony is wasted on the stupid”

HughBe--- Well said, YOU "effin" FOOL.

[former res]

HughBe wrote:

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HughBe--- In what way is Jesus a "DELUSION figure"?

Actually it is your burden to prove or at least show evidence that your Jesus is NOT a delusion.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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HughBe---"myopic head" is interesting. Here is a secret, it was one of a series of posts to prove a point. In addition, any honest and moderately intelligent person who reads their comments on the matter would not take it to mean that they believe that Jesus was a work of fiction.
Frijoles---I never DOUBTED the existence of historical Jesus. In fact, numerous times I have cited Boteach myself, and in fact it was me that offered him to you. HOWEVER, I never said Jesus absolutely existed either. I am agnostic on the matter.
HughBe--- Really? Are you conscious of the things that you WRITE? Do you understand the utter RUBBISH that you habitually write? NO.
Take your time and follow your own words. YOUR words,"I never DOUBTED the existence of historical Jesus..... I am AGNOSTIC on the matter."
Genius what is the meaning of AGNOSTIC? Reconcile you being an AGNOSTIC with you NEVER doubting.

Being agnostic on the matter means I have no proof either way. I am nuetral. Vs being atheistic. Since we are talking about a historic fact, not a deity, this is an adaptive use of the actual word.

Anyone intelligent would of figured that out.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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Frijoles---Silly child, I never said Homer was real
HughBe---why compare REAL/Jesus with fiction/Homer, wise child?
Frijoles---All i asked was that you prove that your DELUSION figure was any less fictitious than my delusion figure
HughBe--- In what way is Jesus a "DELUSION figure"?

Prove that he is anything other than a delusion.

Be a man, not an agnostic.

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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Actually it is your burden to prove or at least show evidence that your Jesus is NOT a delusion.

ahh - I should of read forward.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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HughBe---why compare REAL/Jesus with fiction/Homer, wise child?
Maat---Mon, you're EFFIN BRILLIANT!
HughBe--- Thanks Maat, it is a GIFT.
Frijoles---“Irony is wasted on the stupid”
HughBe--- Well said, YOU "effin" FOOL.

Thats not irony. Thats vainly concealed anger.

[Frijoles]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/del...

Definition of DELUSION

1: the act of deluding : the state of being deluded

2a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated

2b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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Thats not irony. Thats vainly concealed anger.

HughBe---why compare REAL/Jesus with fiction/Homer, wise child?

Maat---Mon, you're EFFIN BRILLIANT!

HughBe--- Thanks Maat, it is a GIFT.

Frijoles---“Irony is wasted on the stupid”

HughBe--- Well said, YOU "effin" FOOL.

Frijoles---Thats not irony. Thats vainly concealed anger.

HughBe--- sonny boy, I DELIBERATELY ignored Maat's calling me EFFIN and focused on the positive i.e. BRILLIANT. This went right over your head. Now that I have explained it, go back and see in you understand it now.

Next, there is no anger and was no anger towards Maat, YOU "effin" FOOL.

By the way did you pick up on the "concealed anger" via your Satan?

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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Prove that he is anything other than a delusion.
Be a man, not an agnostic.

HughBe--- In what way is Jesus a "DELUSION figure"?

Frijoles---Prove that he is anything other than a delusion.

HughBe--- son son, YOU called Him a delusion so YOU explain it and ANSWER my question.