'Joe the Plumber' in media cross hairs

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The eyes of Joe the Plumber stare sightlessly from the media pike that his head has been impaled upon.

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Oct 28, 2008
 
There are few things sadder than an old fool. Country First-Houston TX; John McCain, Ted Stevens et al lack wisdom, honesty, integrity and knowledge. You don't seem able to look past rumors and fear-mongering myths about Senator Obama. McCain has gone from being a little bit respected in the Senate to being an embarrassment to his family and his supporters. He's no reformer or maverick, he's always been a rebellious punk who never listened to anyone else. He was a bad student, pilot and Senator, but you'll go to your grave believing you did the right thing in voting for him. No, make that voting AGAINST Obama; because nobody in their right mind would vote for the alcoholic, adulterous gambler who pals around with terrorist Gordon Liddy and others.
My grandfather and father both evolved into wise, loving, caring men in their senior years, but I haven't seen much of it from the Republicans.

How very sad for your children and grandchildren to have a narrow-minded, frightened bigot for a grandfather. A man who has no interest in studying the two candidates; too lazy to check out the FACTS and ignore the lies and rhetoric from the right.

SAD.....

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Oct 28, 2008
 
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I looked at the sales taxes for your state and noticed that overall throughout your state the rates are 6 to 8 percent except for some cities in cook county. The rates seem to be higher in the Chicago and surrounding cities. With some cities which fall in multiple counties the tax rates vary greatly from county to county.
You are a big city with better public transportation than a lot of cities. Your taxes of course will be higher, especially if you pay for seniors to get around cheaply or for free. We have a bus system and that is it. Our city taxes are only 6.75% because of this. We do have tax issues we vote for regarding our limited public transit system. I don't know about how your city votes for sales tax but we have the power to vote no on tax levies.
What solution do you want for lower sales taxes? Lower pay for public transit workers? Increased fares?
Good luck with getting the sales taxes lowered in Cook county. I know that in states where there are no state taxes like Tennessee the sales taxes are rather high.
God strike me with lightning for even coming this close to agreeing w/Eileen, but this is an issue best left alone.....that's just some friendly advice.

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#1564
Oct 28, 2008
 
liberals are so vile and mislead. And the nerve to use Christianity.

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Oct 28, 2008
 
obama' got no slave blood

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Oct 28, 2008
 
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I don't see why it is permitted to run both sales taxes and also state taxes. Some states are funded totally by sales taxes like the right to be poor states of TN and FL. Sales taxes are a bad idea in my view. State taxes are bad too but are easier to account for and deduct from your Federal tax forms.
Regarding the wasted spending to reduce costs. They do have to reduce waste and excessive salaries that consume funds without adding to services.
Good luck! The answer is not getting Republicans in of course. We had a Republican in office before our current governor and he was always raising taxes, wasting money. It is not a partisan issue, they both are bad in that regard.
Out of curiousity, who is replacing Obama once he is elected President? Democratic or Republican?
Democratic. They are already lining up.

And yes, we had 20-30 years of corrupt republicans in Illinois before we exchanged them for corrupt democrats.
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Oct 28, 2008
 
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I don't see why it is permitted to run both sales taxes and also state taxes. Some states are funded totally by sales taxes like the right to be poor states of TN and FL. Sales taxes are a bad idea in my view. State taxes are bad too but are easier to account for and deduct from your Federal tax forms.
Regarding the wasted spending to reduce costs. They do have to reduce waste and excessive salaries that consume funds without adding to services.
Good luck! The answer is not getting Republicans in of course. We had a Republican in office before our current governor and he was always raising taxes, wasting money. It is not a partisan issue, they both are bad in that regard.
Out of curiousity, who is replacing Obama once he is elected President? Democratic or Republican?
OTM - you totally missed my point. Obama has done nothing to combat this pathetic state of affairs here in Ilinois. Nobody knows who will replace Obama in Illinois. It's the blind leading the dumb, IMHO. The majority of Illinois folk will complain about the high taxes but they continue to elect the same politicians who have like minds. UGH !!!

So, I say to you ... do you think Obama should have done something to save Illinois from the pathetic situation that we are in? Do you think he might have spoken up? Do you think this is good behaviour for the senator who represents us here in Illinois? Is this someone who should be representing YOUR best interests?
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Oct 28, 2008
 
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OTM - I do not have the time to respond to all of this - especially since I have mapped out my situation as a small business owner several times. Here are a few quick and short answers to some of your questions:
NO - I cannot afford to provide my employees (part-time) with health care insurance. Simple as that. If I did, I would work my 70 hours per week to provide them with their hourly rates and their healthcare. I already pay half of their social security, half of their medicare, ALL of their workman's comp and ALL of their unemployment. When someone becomes unemployed and draws an unemployment check from the state, do you know who pays for that? Yes ... me and all the other business owners. When you get to the age of social security .... we paid half. Medicare .... we paid half too.
I understand the factors that go with being an employer and dishing out matching social security payments and Medicare payments and all of the other provisions that go with additional help. I also realize that adding to a business requires careful management of the economic transactions needed to bring in funds.
I realize that your margin of profit does not increase when you have to hire help. But this factor does kind of reduce the credibility that sharing the wealth by providing some others with employment unless it is absolutely needed. I want you to succeed in your business as well as others who are self employed. I may need to go into business myself in the near future with my technical skills.
The outsourcing going on is displacing a lot of us.
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A simple question for you: What makes you think I should pay for your health insurance too? I don't EXPECT anyone to pay for my health care, what makes you think that your employer should pay for yours? Is this a guaranteed "right" or something?
I believe that an employer who is worth working for should show their value for the employee by providing for their health care. You know us homeowners who don't bring our lawyers with use to buy a house, we need your expertise.
Seriously though, it is more beneficial regarding costs when you deal with group health care policies over individual health care policies, group rates are cheaper than individual plans.
Larger corporations like where I work are self insured, meaning they provide the financial responsibility while some other medical professional does the distribution. They get far better rates.
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Oct 28, 2008
 
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God strike me with lightning for even coming this close to agreeing w/Eileen, but this is an issue best left alone.....that's just some friendly advice.
Azdak - God will not strike you dead, I promise. Please, help me. I have read some of your posts and I understand that support Obama and that's OK. It is OK to agree to disagree.

Please see my point here Azdak. This guy Obama, who says he is ready to lead our country, despite the fact that 18 months ago he said he was not ready to lead our country, has done nothing at all to lead our state out of an economic depression. He has hung with the likes of Daley, Blagojevich, Stroger and the rest. NOTHING, NOTHING has happened here that has improved our ecomony OR has taken us out of further debt. It has been quit the opposite. OPPOSITE, I say.

I live in a suburb of Chicago, not Barrington or Roselle, like the icons say. I absolutely REFUSE to go into Cook County and pay 10.25 percent sales tax (more on hotels and restaurants). I have made a conscious effort to stay out of Cook County. I have also made my friends aware of the negative impact of spending money in Cook County. Mr. Obama was completely aware of these situations and has done nothing as our representative to (at least) voice his opinion. Is this someone you might trust with your money?
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Oct 28, 2008
 
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OTM - I re-read my last post and I did not make one thing clear.
I was trying to point out that if I had to pay healthcare for all of my employees - I would be working my 70 hour per week job to provide them with their salaries and their healthcare - essentially leaving NOTHING left over as salary for me. Why in the world would I do that?
Are they adding to your revenue stream or there simply to give you someone to converse with? I take it that they are adding to your revenue producing opportunity. Being that they are value added employees, you will have to apply the same philosophy for them as with your percentage you get for markup on your sales item.
The help deserves rewards for their effort in helping your business succeed. You may want to investigate the tax incentives Obama is referring to regarding helping small businesses provide health care.
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On The Money wrote:
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I understand the factors that go with being an employer and dishing out matching social security payments and Medicare payments and all of the other provisions that go with additional help. I also realize that adding to a business requires careful management of the economic transactions needed to bring in funds.
I realize that your margin of profit does not increase when you have to hire help. But this factor does kind of reduce the credibility that sharing the wealth by providing some others with employment unless it is absolutely needed. I want you to succeed in your business as well as others who are self employed. I may need to go into business myself in the near future with my technical skills.
The outsourcing going on is displacing a lot of us.
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I believe that an employer who is worth working for should show their value for the employee by providing for their health care. You know us homeowners who don't bring our lawyers with use to buy a house, we need your expertise.
Seriously though, it is more beneficial regarding costs when you deal with group health care policies over individual health care policies, group rates are cheaper than individual plans.
Larger corporations like where I work are self insured, meaning they provide the financial responsibility while some other medical professional does the distribution. They get far better rates.
OTM - OK, now we are getting somewhere. Group policies definitely make better sense. Agreed.

This is what needs to be done: We need to have a regulatory agency set up within the government to set the standards for insurance. Limits MUST be set by which the insurance companies can operate. Namely, the insurance lobbiest needs to be abolished.

Secondly, the government needs to set an income level for those who will be covered under the "government" insurance policy - and stick to it. Walk in clinics must be established for low income people to visit. Emergency rooms are not the answer.

Thirdly, standards need to set for companies who must provide insurance for others. For example, any company with more employees than say, 12 (full time) must provide health insurance at a percentage of actual cost (shared by the employee). These costs must be AFTER taxes.

Just a little background on me .... I am a nurse. I have worked primarily in low income and government sponsored health care. One day I asked someone who was not insured "why don't you have Medicaid?" You know what that person said to me? They said: "It takes too much time at the medicaid office."

Oh my goodness. IT TAKES TOO LONG AT THE MEDICAID OFFICE? So that is why the hospital must absorb the cost of that person's care? Come on, people. That is the real reason why your health care insurance is so HIGH !!!! Someone is going to pay !!!

America has become the land of "I'm entitled." Let us move beyond this philosophy and find a realistic way to exist peacefully.
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Oct 28, 2008
 
On The Money wrote:
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I understand the factors that go with being an employer and dishing out matching social security payments and Medicare payments and all of the other provisions that go with additional help. I also realize that adding to a business requires careful management of the economic transactions needed to bring in funds.
I realize that your margin of profit does not increase when you have to hire help. But this factor does kind of reduce the credibility that sharing the wealth by providing some others with employment unless it is absolutely needed. I want you to succeed in your business as well as others who are self employed. I may need to go into business myself in the near future with my technical skills.
The outsourcing going on is displacing a lot of us.
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I believe that an employer who is worth working for should show their value for the employee by providing for their health care. You know us homeowners who don't bring our lawyers with use to buy a house, we need your expertise.
Seriously though, it is more beneficial regarding costs when you deal with group health care policies over individual health care policies, group rates are cheaper than individual plans.
Larger corporations like where I work are self insured, meaning they provide the financial responsibility while some other medical professional does the distribution. They get far better rates.
OTM - I read that you may need to go into business for yourself perhaps. If so, do yourself a favor and get a good lawyer (an honest one) and a good CPA (an honest one). Their average wage is 100 dollars per hour. Figure that into your business plan - it is entirely necessary (something that the employees does not understand).
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On The Money wrote:
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Are they adding to your revenue stream or there simply to give you someone to converse with? I take it that they are adding to your revenue producing opportunity. Being that they are value added employees, you will have to apply the same philosophy for them as with your percentage you get for markup on your sales item.
The help deserves rewards for their effort in helping your business succeed. You may want to investigate the tax incentives Obama is referring to regarding helping small businesses provide health care.
Oh my. No ... they are necessary componenets to getting the work done. They add very little to the revenue "stream." I am not saying that they are not valued. What I am saying is this: I cannot function without them. I would have no business without them. Do they make my buseiness run without me working 120 hours per week? Yes. Do they find more customers for me? No.
Hope still - you hungry

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Oct 28, 2008
 
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Are you freakin' kidding me with this? Do you really truly believe what you typed? Are you psycho????? Do you really believe that there is no Al-Qaeda, no Taliban and no Osama Bin Laden?
YOU ARE SICK!!!!
I can not believe that people like you exist. Go back to wherever it is you came from. How dare you say that the Bush Admin planned this. You are a disgrace to our country!!!!!
One conspiracy theory or series of passing the buck deserves an equally insane counter response.
Whether I believe that Bush is that evil or not depends upon the what you feel about how the buildings came down, the information destroyed, the aftermath results from the building and the dastardly loss of lives needlessly in order to promote conformity, sympathy or mask their true intentions.
With evil like this, you pray that there is one who judges the guilty post life. Hopefully also while they are still here to face those they deceived for political gain.
Basically, I hope there was not a conspiracy. I wish it never took place regardless to the trail of responsibility.
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Oct 28, 2008
 
Eileen wrote:
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Oh my. No ... they are necessary componenets to getting the work done. They add very little to the revenue "stream." I am not saying that they are not valued. What I am saying is this: I cannot function without them. I would have no business without them. Do they make my buseiness run without me working 120 hours per week? Yes. Do they find more customers for me? No.
Good luck to you running the business. Of course they reduce your work load and are valuable to your business.
I'm done with this thread. It was interesting to talk with you and others.
Thanks for the reply.
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Eileen wrote:
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OTM - I read that you may need to go into business for yourself perhaps. If so, do yourself a favor and get a good lawyer (an honest one) and a good CPA (an honest one). Their average wage is 100 dollars per hour. Figure that into your business plan - it is entirely necessary (something that the employees does not understand).
My business would be related to technologies. I would of course investigate the proper foundation on which to build my business on. I worked in a business where self management was implemented so am familiar with the different requirements needed for training, cost control, supplies and the other aspects needed to run a business. right now I enjoy only needing to concentrate on the technical end which brings in money as well as supports those who buy our products.
I'd rather become competent enough to handle the accounting processes myself if I ever do start my own business venture.
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Oct 28, 2008
 
On The Money wrote:
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You are right on the money with that information.
We have one chameleon changing his stance according to the wind another who may be more pro business than is apparent from our perspectives.
The system is corrupt my friend!

What is your feeling about who will win in Ohio?

Thanks!
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Oct 28, 2008
 
Eileen wrote:
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OTM - OK, now we are getting somewhere. Group policies definitely make better sense. Agreed.
This is what needs to be done: We need to have a regulatory agency set up within the government to set the standards for insurance. Limits MUST be set by which the insurance companies can operate. Namely, the insurance lobbiest needs to be abolished.
Secondly, the government needs to set an income level for those who will be covered under the "government" insurance policy - and stick to it. Walk in clinics must be established for low income people to visit. Emergency rooms are not the answer.
Thirdly, standards need to set for companies who must provide insurance for others. For example, any company with more employees than say, 12 (full time) must provide health insurance at a percentage of actual cost (shared by the employee). These costs must be AFTER taxes.
Just a little background on me .... I am a nurse. I have worked primarily in low income and government sponsored health care. One day I asked someone who was not insured "why don't you have Medicaid?" You know what that person said to me? They said: "It takes too much time at the medicaid office."
Oh my goodness. IT TAKES TOO LONG AT THE MEDICAID OFFICE? So that is why the hospital must absorb the cost of that person's care? Come on, people. That is the real reason why your health care insurance is so HIGH !!!! Someone is going to pay !!!
America has become the land of "I'm entitled." Let us move beyond this philosophy and find a realistic way to exist peacefully.
Those proposals sound like they would work out successfully. My wife commented today that most of the billing she did today was for urgent care facilities instead of the emergency room visits. There may be some progress there. More progress of course is needed.
Hopefully sound policies will make health care less expensive as well as increase the level of treatment given.
Hopefully the next administration and congress work for our nation's interest instead of partisanship.

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Wow. Check out how Fox News is pushing Joe the Plumber. Like his opinion on Obama and Israel means squat.

You can smell the old white men's fear at Fox. They know that soon, the Muslim alien invaders will arrive to take their fembots away.

Buh Bye bigoted morons.
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Oct 28, 2008
 
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Wow. Check out how Fox News is pushing Joe the Plumber. Like his opinion on Obama and Israel means squat.
You can smell the old white men's fear at Fox. They know that soon, the Muslim alien invaders will arrive to take their fembots away.
Buh Bye bigoted morons.
Be careful what you wish for...

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MooseSlayer wrote:
Wow. Check out how Fox News is pushing Joe the Plumber. Like his opinion on Obama and Israel means squat.
You can smell the old white men's fear at Fox. They know that soon, the Muslim alien invaders will arrive to take their fembots away.
Buh Bye bigoted morons.
I do believe someone in the DNC felt his position mattered. We have learned more about him than we do about Obama. I am not sure about squat though.

Why is it when someone opposes Obama's stance or says something objectionable they are bigots or racists? Aside from the initial shock value of the word, what does it get you when others read the same words and see nothing?

You guys are pathetic.

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