HYDE: When picking all-time team, don't let modern and popular ...

There are 20 comments on the Aug 18, 2007, South Florida Sun-Sentinel story titled HYDE: When picking all-time team, don't let modern and popular .... In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

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6bucks7games

Lady Lake, FL

#1 Aug 18, 2007
Dave you did a great job pointing out the weakness of a fan-based poll.It becomes a popularity contest and the present day players have an advantage simply due to name recognition.I guess the ole codgers like me who remember watching Nick Buniconti play are in the minority now.Having watched them both play I would have to give only a slight edge to Nick.Speaking of remembering,do you remember who was the dominant MLB of Nicks era?{Hint:He wasnt the best player on his defense either}.As to your question about the Hall O Fame I think Jason Taylor is a lock and Zack Thomas has an excellent chance.
Matt

Asheville, NC

#2 Aug 18, 2007
Excellent Points. Unfortunately, most of the pollsters here are young, computer savvy blogging idiots who weren't even born when Garo, Mercury, Nick, Jim, Kooch, and Zonk were playing. And I'm sorry, as much as I loved Dan Marino, Bob Griese was the only Dolphins QB to deliver the Super Bowl.
DolFanKeith

O Fallon, MO

#3 Aug 18, 2007
Great column and great stuff! It was cool voting on all-time team. Brings back some good memories!!!
Juan H

United States

#4 Aug 18, 2007
I think John Offerdahl should also be included in the LB discussion. Thomas has been surrounded by other great players thoughout his career, whereas Offerdahl played on some of the least talented defensive units in Dolphin history & still was a Pro-Bowl player for a number of years. The guy went to the Pro Bowl playing behind the likes of Mike Charles & T.J. Turner !!!!! How's that for doing it by yourself?

Offerdahl's longevity holds him back a bit, but he should at least be mentioned.
MJD

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#5 Aug 19, 2007
Great choices, how can Nick not be the man?????
y-not

Cumming, GA

#6 Aug 19, 2007
That's what makes opinions interesting - everyone has one!

I'm an original Dolphins fan from the beginning in 66' and I have to give the nod to Zach. He's been durable and uncanny in his ability to read defenses and run down players. To bad he hasn't won a super bowl YET. Channing has been doing a good job in pre-season but when Zach gets in there all these crazy passing yards by opponents will evaporate.

As far as the best defensive player on the team I disagree. Over 12 years, he is clearly the best and most consistent - that is to take nothing away from JT who maybe right now is the best.
jetblast

New York, NY

#7 Aug 19, 2007
Hello Dave,

I voted for Zach...proof that sometimes familiarity does win out in these kinds of non-scientific polls. I agree with you, and I think I dropped the ball on that one by not casting a vote for the Dolphins' only defensive player to be in the HOF...Nick Buoniconti.

However, I was a little surprised by the lack of support from the fan base for Bob Matheson at OLB...including you who failed to mention him in your article. I voted for Bob...afterall, he's the only player from the Dolphins that I know of that had a defensive scheme named after his jersey number...The "53 Defense."

Regards,
Gary

United States

#8 Aug 19, 2007
Finally the class of the Miami dolphins fan base is speaking up. I love it, even though we are spread all over the Country and State it's great to hear from you.

The choise between Nick and Zack is really tough, take either from the lineup and you have a different team.
WALT

AOL

#9 Aug 19, 2007
TO THIS DAY, CSONKA IS STILL THE BEST DOLPHIN OF ALL TIME.
woody hayes

San Antonio, TX

#10 Aug 19, 2007
How in the world can people pick Dan Marino over AJ Feeley?
G S Barter

UK

#11 Aug 19, 2007
Well I voted for'Old Whatsis Name'. Geoff (UK) 74 & bearing up.
terry francona

AOL

#12 Aug 19, 2007
i voted, i also watched all these ol timers. and you know what i think some of your points are a little rediculous.

first of all as far as the mlb goes. people are asked to vote for this stuff. its an opinion. i personally agree with the vote. just look at jim mandach and jimmy cefalo who both chose zach and they played on the same team as conti.

second. your whole arguement on kickers i also find rediculous. i get that your saying that yepremian kicking 67 percent was good back then. but that was back then when you had lineman from some teams kicking and driving down the percentages. your whole average then and now thing is hilarious. mare kicks 80 percent which is higher than 67 percent. doesnt matter when it was. 80 percent to 67 percent. ill take 80 percent in any era over 67
oldelwood

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#13 Aug 19, 2007
I watched both Nick and Zack play and I would have to take Zack! I think Zack is stronger and faster than Nick. Both are great but Zack could have dominated then and now,I dont think Nick could dominate now!
TaylorTheMoron

Jackson, MS

#14 Aug 19, 2007
Where is Mike Kozlowski in defense?
ibestevie

Waltham, MA

#15 Aug 19, 2007
6bucks7games wrote:
Dave you did a great job pointing out the weakness of a fan-based poll.It becomes a popularity contest and the present day players have an advantage simply due to name recognition.I guess the ole codgers like me who remember watching Nick Buniconti play are in the minority now.Having watched them both play I would have to give only a slight edge to Nick.Speaking of remembering,do you remember who was the dominant MLB of Nicks era?{Hint:He wasnt the best player on his defense either}.As to your question about the Hall O Fame I think Jason Taylor is a lock and Zack Thomas has an excellent chance.
Butkus wasn't the best defensive player on the Bears?
John

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#17 Aug 19, 2007
I think George Wilson should have been named the all-time coach.
belair

Meriden, CT

#18 Aug 20, 2007
I agree about the bias against older players and I agree with you about Baumhower and Nathan.

I strongly disagree with you about Thomas and Bouniconti.

Bouniconti easily could have been the choice and even I voted for him, but you can't dismiss Thomas simply because he is not yet in the hall of fame. I dont think there is any question he will be. If you look at other linebackers in the late sixties through the mid-seventies you will see that Buoniconti was not the most dominant middle linebacker of his era either.

Zach is a perenial pro-bowler and I look forward to the day when he joins our other great linebacker in the hall of fame.
Stoyanovich Kicks

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#19 Aug 20, 2007
I strongly Believe PETE STOYANOVICH is the Dolphins Best Kicker ever!! He had the Excellent Stats & More. He was Incredibly Good from Long Range 50+ yards. One of the Best Clutch Kickers ever (9 for 9 at one point). Owns the Dolphins longest Field Goal Ever- 59 yards & the NFL Playoff Record 58 yards. Also held the NFL's most Accurate Record for awhile. And beyond this, He was beloved by the Dolphin fans & was actually a charming personality & figure during the Marino and Shula era. Too bad JJ ran him out of town early. Mare & Garo & Reveiz were good but there something about Stoyo that made Him a real Winner & A Star Player rather than just another great Kicker.

“Another Lawyer”

Since: Feb 07

Weston FL

#20 Aug 20, 2007
I was pretty impressed with the fans' team. Comparing Nick and Zach is somewhat like comparing Garo and Olindo which you do. Olindo is the better kicker, by far. Garo had a great personality and was the prototypal soccer style kicker. He is the guy that Alex Karras satirized with his "I am going to keeck and touchdown" comment. Olindo could never equal that status, but he was a better and more consistant kicker.

Nick and Zach are tied on the qualities of leadership, intensity, desire, and intelligence. But Zach gets the nod simply because he is bigger faster and more terrifying to offensive coordinators.
Scott Small

Santa Ana, CA

#21 Aug 20, 2007
These polls are fun for fans and media, and I agree with the article's main point, that old-timers sometimes get short shrift. Here are my beefs: 1) At DT, we have three obvious candidates, but while Bowens was fabulous, he should not win out over Bob Baumhower, an incredible Killer B. 2) The Nick/Zach debate is excellent ... either could be the right choice. What I don't understand is the S-S listing A.J. Duhe as an MLB/ILB. I know that Coach Arnparger moved him all around, but in my memory he was primarily an OLB/pass rusher.(I know that in SB XVII, Joe Gibbs and Joe Bugel out-maneuvered us to force Duhe to keep playing inside, where he got run over. Bad memories...) My point is that Duhe would have been a natural as one of the OLB choices, but he's buried at MLB. 3) I'd take Jon Giesler over either Wayne Moore or Norm Evans, but I like them all. 4) I'd take Ricky's brilliant two-plus years over the sustained good play of Tony Nathan or Mercury Morris, but you could make good cases for any of them. 5) Quibbling here, but the best CB in Dolphin history was Pat Surtain, followed by Sam Madison (not the reverse). Then come Troy Vincent and Don McNeal. 6) The biggest farce I saw among fan votes was at center. Sure, we've got two wonderful Hall-Of-Famers in Stephenson and Langer ... and still about eight percent of our voters voted for Tim Ruddy? Please, someone, explain how anyone could vote for Ruddy over Langer and Stephenson!

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