Village of Copenhagen
old timer

Carthage, NY

#22 Mar 28, 2014
I agree with statement that was made concerning former members but there are still good members of the department if you will let them do their job. We have to live with what we have until something better thing comes a long. Lets move forward and remember that when the election occurs next Thursday so that we don't have to go through this again. As for Philosophy, Contributions make a small portion . You might have to pay the whole thing through taxes.
member

Meriden, CT

#23 Mar 29, 2014
Philosphy wrote:
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Old Timer, your philosophy is already wrong! The taxpayer is already paying for that new truck. Yours guys fund raising would never cover that expense
Actually, the departments fundraising could cover the expense, but, we have lost so much support over the past year due to the drill team that we are considering not doing certine events due to a lack of interest by the community. If all the events we do now did as well as they did 10-15 years ago, we could pay that bill no problem. And if we quit carting around the drill team on the departments dollar, hell, we could buy another truck and still have money in the bank.
agree

Carthage, NY

#24 Mar 29, 2014
member wrote:
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Actually, the departments fundraising could cover the expense, but, we have lost so much support over the past year due to the drill team that we are considering not doing certine events due to a lack of interest by the community. If all the events we do now did as well as they did 10-15 years ago, we could pay that bill no problem. And if we quit carting around the drill team on the departments dollar, hell, we could buy another truck and still have money in the bank.
Sad but true, next someone will post that the Drill Team supports itself and doesn't rely on the dept but due to all the past behaviors and compensation costs, our community doesn't care to support this team. This ultimately has brought down the support from the community in all events. No one is really sure what events support what so I personally don't go at all. The abuse and railroading of good members is something that I am also disappointed in. And now it appears they have targeted yet another respected member. No one would blame is Pat left and transferred to a Dept that would appreciate the time he has put in to train and volunteer.

Ugh...makes me wonder if that will be posted next week on here? It is never ending and does appear if the negative attention is somewhat embraced. SAD
old timer

Carthage, NY

#25 Mar 29, 2014
All events are designated for department or drill team, and why do you have to bring up the same old thing about supporting the drill team? Its time to move on.
omfg

Carthage, NY

#26 Mar 30, 2014
The taxpayers should have to pay for everything.... there should be no need for found raising, others found raise because they want to, Copenhagen does it because they need to. Thats not right.
Dick-tion

Schenectady, NY

#27 Mar 30, 2014
omfg wrote:
The taxpayers should have to pay for everything.... there should be no need for found raising, others found raise because they want to, Copenhagen does it because they need to. Thats not right.
FUND is the right word. Please don't comment on basic concepts you have no understanding.
There has to be some ole' wise tale about how it is never healthy to speak from ones ass, kiss ass, or live with one.
Shane Henry

Carthage, NY

#28 Mar 30, 2014
So just about everyone knows where I live, why not come talk to me if you have a problem with me or anything I have done face to face instead of hiding behind this stupid thing??
Not trying to be an Ass

United States

#29 Mar 30, 2014
If the department has an officer who failed the class Fire Officer 1, how is he allowed to be or remain in office? He can't pass the class that is being put forth so he is properly trained in protecting the people and property of the taxpayers and personal protection of our firefighters. I understand the village made a concession to allow individuals a year to take class, he's had his year and failed the class. Also I was told the bylaws clearly state to be a line officer the individual has to reside in the fire district, this individual does not. Based on two items in the villages bylaws he does not qualify to be a chief at any level.

God forbid that something happen to the personnel and he is officer in charge. Who will cover that lawsuit? We have real issues in our villages department!
bla bla bla

Quincy, MA

#30 Mar 30, 2014
the person you're talking about he had to do is pass the test you what he is going to take the test over again so he put forth hours and months to go to this class stop whining over petty s*** and lets focus on everything else
Not trying to be an Ass

United States

#31 Mar 30, 2014
BUT HE FAILED! IF YOU CAN'T PASS DRIVERS TEST YOU DON'T GET TO DRIVE TILL YOU DO.

The bylaws were voted on to be followed period! This was put forth by the family! So follow the damn bylaws! He failed, he's out according to the bylaw change proposed by Jim Henry... And passed by the body! You don't get to have it both ways, just because it's convienent or in-convienent for your group...

Bla bla bla that TH
Not trying to be an Ass

United States

#32 Mar 30, 2014
In fact the individual we are talking about penned an unsigned letter to the village board complaining that his predecessor Doyle was not qualified. Talk about Karma.

And yes people know who wrote the letter, we are not the fools some think we are.
Also

New York, NY

#33 Mar 30, 2014
I am in another dept but a very well respected state instructor asked "what in the hell was he doing being elected and how high risk liability he was"

I also heard he took the test twice and failed. Is this true?
But reality is, there really isn't any one left in the dept. Three village officers can't run because of clear conflict. Poor Patrick even if he is elected will be treated poorly, likely worse then he already does. Many don't respond to calls and few are up to date or certified in proper areas.

And that's another interesting topic. How many are actually up to date? How many actual active members? What's the break down of fire police, scene support or interior?

Instead of arguing about who can lead, maybe the fire district should worry if there is actually anyone to lead?

Jerry said he was past president. Maybe he can help the community decide if the district is safe?
Leadership

United States

#34 Mar 30, 2014
They drove the people with leadership capabilities from the department. St.Louis's, Doyle's, are just few driven away in last few years, months etc. All four were past chiefs or asst chief. There will be more
Frank

Carthage, NY

#35 Mar 31, 2014
I am not saying I agree or disagree with the decision of the Village as I am no longer a member of the Copenhagen Fire Dept. But according to New York state the village is the departments governing body and must approve all new members and election results, not saying I agree with NYS. But it is what it is. The Copenhagen Fire Dept. does a great job responding to calls for the publics safety. They get out of a nice warm bed in the middle of the night or up from the dinner table before dinner is done to respond to fires, mva's carbon monoxide detecters, pumping cellars and road closures. This is not what they call fun but do it for your safety and protection. I did this for many years and lost a lot of family time because of responding to emergencies, I would do it all over again because we were helping people in and out of our community. So I ask give CFD a break and work with them not against them.
Leaders

United States

#36 Mar 31, 2014
Remember Leaders don't have to be Chief or President, however Chief and President should be a leader!
Mad Member

United States

#37 Apr 23, 2014
We are now learning that the village fathers have established requirements to now participate on the drill team. It is a good thing and about time for this to have come about. It will shrink the team roster. And remove the ones that are only in the department to drill. Now please stick to it and don't allow exemptions based on school or class availability. I can hear this already, another one that needs to be addressed is residency requirements. Why should village residents be responsible for compensation coverage for people who drill and do not add real value to the community by providing emergency services for us?

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK VILLAGE FATHERS!
old timer

Carthage, NY

#38 Apr 24, 2014
The state law says that 45% of the membership can be outside the village but with in the districts that are covered. So it isn't an exclusive club for village residents only.
Joke

Schenectady, NY

#39 Apr 24, 2014
To "mad member and old timer"...100% of the membership can be from "outside" the village! You forget the department contracts in the towns of Pickney, Harrisburg and Champion for fire protection. You cannot deny them the right to be members! To "mad member" I see your petty argument...why don't you "push" for a Fire District, then the entire district would be finacially responsible instead of just "your" precious village.
old timer

Carthage, NY

#40 Apr 24, 2014
To Joke you are correct and I agree with joke that if you are not happy mad member push for the fire district.
resident

Bloomfield, CT

#41 Apr 24, 2014
If you think the village board is bad, try going to a district. Then anyone in the district could be in the board of commissioners. Then people outside of the village who hate the drill team can come in and push them out. I know I will if they go to a district.

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