Museums, re-enactors worry over plan ...

Museums, re-enactors worry over plan to regulate antique firearms

There are 18 comments on the Newsday story from Feb 1, 2008, titled Museums, re-enactors worry over plan to regulate antique firearms. In it, Newsday reports that:

A New York City lawmaker's plan to regulate antique firearms like other weapons could have severe economic repercussions for museums and historical societies around the state and prevent hundreds of living ...

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danger phobia

Kings Park, NY

#1 Feb 1, 2008
Thanks to the phobias of our State Legislators we all get to pay their salaries for endless creations of bills that eventually become laws to protect us from the life threatening boogie men in the world.
Two unrelated but here- to -fore unheard of episodes of muzzle loaders being misused in the last 40 years since the Nations 1968 Firearms Act plus all the separate NY legislation of thousands of regulations and laws pertaining to anything that shoots a projectile (yes, that includes the bb-gun, or pellet gun which uses air as its projectile power).
With two misuses of a muzzleloader "weapon", our artful and crafty State Legislators once again have demonized the incidents as a basis to create more regulations, of course also helpful toward their ability to tout their own anti -crime achievements.
One hopes they will apply the same zeal to restrict drivers and drivers licenses that are misused on our roads and highways by so many law breaking drivers out there. Look at the accidents we travel past every morning and evening to get to work, and we must assume there is need for the State Legislators to create something that is fitting in response to many ,many daily accidents on our roads by driver violations. Two misuses of a muzzleloader in NY State brings quick action for legislation yet the roads and highways are allowed to be potential grave sites in the making by daily demolition drivers with criminal misuse of their vehicles. Perhaps there is the fuzzy math syndrome in Albany that prevents our state Legislators from understanding comparative magnitudes of death caused by cars versus muzzleloaders.
Wendy Weinbaum

Whitehouse, TX

#2 Feb 2, 2008
As a Jewess in the US, I would like to remind all that America wasn't won with a registered gun! And criminals are not stopped by TALK, but by FIREARMS. That is why all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!!
westie10019

United States

#3 Feb 2, 2008
Where is the ACLU! My CIVIL Rights are being violated. The 2nd Amendment is A CIVIL RIGHT. Don't worry Hillary will protect all of us with the NEW NANNY State whne she is Prez!
nny citizen

Massena, NY

#4 Feb 4, 2008
danger phobia wrote:
With two misuses of a muzzleloader "weapon",
Actually, only one - unless merely possessing a muzzleloader is to be construed as 'misuse.'

If the lawmakers are to follow through on their idea of a waiting period "because these weapons can be used to inflict harm," one does wonder if a background check should be instituted for anything that could be used to inflict harm. In which case the thing to worry about is "where does it stop?"

I think it should stop now - the track record for incidents with muzzleloaders speaks for itself. This proposal should be thrown out and the legislators should move on to other, hopefully more useful, issues.
Robert Gibney

Albany, NY

#5 Feb 5, 2008
As a retired (Revolutionary War) re-enactor , I fund this proposal utterly ridiculous.
Firstly, it lumps museum collections, and all black powder weapons together, when according to the article, the reported problems were the result of black powder RIFLES.
Further, in my 12 years of re-enacting, attending nearly 100 events ranging from 60 to 600 participants, I never saw or heard of a by-stander being injured by those weapons..., not by the bladed waepons acarried by re-enactors either.
This proposal is clearly an ill-proposed knee-jerk reaction to two abberant events.
LeChat

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#6 Feb 5, 2008
Idiot proposals like this are yet another reason to flee New York State and the Northeast in general. I remember growing up in New York State when it was still free and a decent place to live. No more.
Chris

Raleigh, NC

#7 Feb 5, 2008
Banning these weapons would be just fine! Next, lets all go ahead and jump right in a concentartion camp oven! Chris
James McElhinney

Brooklyn, NY

#8 Feb 5, 2008
I completely agree with Mr. Cubbison's assessment.
As a career educator and some time living historian--who has participated in educational programs with the National Park Service, The US Army Corps of Engineers and various state parks systems across the United States, I find Mr. Gianaris's proposal to be ill-considered.
If it is well intentioned, it is equally wrongheaded.
I am sanguine that this is due only to the gentleman's lack of awareness of the practical side of historical education, and of the general lack of crimes committed with historical weapons and modern reproductions of them.
Military history is a large and important part of our national heritage.
Living history programs and reenactments greatly invigorate attendance, and raise money for museums and sites currently seeking to improve themselves and their local economies through heritage and cultural tourism.
For the most part these are non-profit operations dependent on volunteers to staff these programs.
These volunteers study their subject in great detail and equip themselves at great cost to themselves.
If Mr Gianaris's intention is to protect the citizens of his district, let him do so without hindering those who freely and generously give their own money and time to educate them.
doc halliday

Auburn, AL

#9 Feb 7, 2008
again the liberals, who care less about our great history, are seeking to really disarm us, even those of us who teach history. this bill is just another way to sneak into our homes and confiscate our weapons when the time comes.

I have been re-enactimg (teaching history) since 1975 and have met the most responsible, caring, educated, and family oriented people who truly care about our great country
. Come on out and visit a re-enactment-better yet join us.
God Bless this Great Country and its Great People
No kidding

Port Washington, NY

#10 Feb 7, 2008
nny citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
If the lawmakers are to follow through on their idea of a waiting period "because these weapons can be used to inflict harm," one does wonder if a background check should be instituted for anything that could be used to inflict harm. In which case the thing to worry about is "where does it stop?"
Careful picking up that bar of soap.
SCV member

Washington, DC

#11 Feb 7, 2008
Here is NY Demoncrats at their worst! Their inane legislation is typical of all Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Shumer, Bloomburg, Soros and other anti-gun, anti-America, and-anti Second Amendment misfits! These are the types that embrace the "United Nations" concept of disarming America the same as England and Australia and other countries have done with the resulting astronomical increase in crime! To think that voters in America will choose Hillary and Bill to carry out the disarming of American citizens by scrapping the Second Amendment is bewildering. We need not fear the terrorist abroad, the terrorist are us, and they will put their leader, Hillary Bin Ladin in the White house in November!
Another Democrat Nut

Potomac, MD

#12 Feb 7, 2008
Why not register, round-up and deport the one million or so illegal aliens in New York State. Then you would really see crime drop. But there isn't a politican in New York with the guts to go against political correctness and the news media. So instead take my BP muzzle loading Brown Bess musket and register it...but antique and replica muzzle loaders don't have serial numbers. Just make sure you leave those one million illegal aliens alone, we don't want them to have their welfare checks delayed.
Cliff

Island Park, NY

#13 Feb 7, 2008
Re:

"Handgun licenses typically cost $10 or less, although in New York City and Nassau County they cost $50."

Actually, a NYS Pistol License Costs $294.25 in Nassau County --$200.00 Application fee and $94.25 fingerprinting fee. See:

( http://www.police.co.nassau.ny.us/pdf/Instruc... ).

In NYC the license application fee is $340.00, and the fingerprinting fee is $99.00 for a total of $439.00! See:

( http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/downloads/p... )

So much for journalism...
James Casselbury

High Point, NC

#14 Feb 7, 2008
As a reenactor, I'm appalled at the idea of this idiotic bill becoming law, because if it is enacted, rest assured that left-wing politicians in other states will take up the mantra. My Civil War unit's commanding officer is a police lieutenant in real life, and he flat states that he's never heard of anyone being murdered with a black powder weapon of any kind. This bill must be defeated.
TGC

United States

#15 Feb 7, 2008
When Captain Jack Sparrow starts pulling stickups with his flintlock pistols, then this law might make sense, until then it is typical liberal nonsense.
Charlie Towler

Shreveport, LA

#16 Feb 8, 2008
What else do you expect from a New York politician?
WSJ

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Feb 12, 2008
Unbelievable. If the 2nd Amendment does not protect your right to run around in a fake militia with a black powder musket, what exactly does it protect? Anything?

“gasoline and bullets...meh”

Since: Feb 08

umhum..

#18 Feb 12, 2008
we have a right to bear arms...i myself own 10 rifles because i am a hunter, the government controls that too...we might just as well hand over our entire life to them and let them do as they please wtih us...

Anybody up for a space colony? lol

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