Gilbert Police recommend charges in school bus fight

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After reviewing the videotape of a fight on board a Higley Unified School District bus, Gilbert Police recommended Friday night that prosecutors file charges against the driver and 3 Williams Field High School ... Full Story
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ASKWHOLE81

Phoenix, AZ

#1 Feb 23, 2008
Toby

Phoenix, AZ

#2 Feb 24, 2008
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Derek

New York, NY

#3 Feb 24, 2008
It's hard to do what you know is right when someone who is in a position of authority tries to prevent you from doing so.

The bus driver had no right to try to detain her in any manner or take her personal property. She tried to maintain her composure for quite some time despite the actions of the stubborn bus driver.

If it was my kid I would want the driver to let them off the bus, in effect what she did was kidnapping. She was detaining her against her will and should be brought up on charges.
Joe

United States

#4 Feb 24, 2008
Policy doesn't allow for the driver to let the girl off. The driver is responsible for the children, and cannot just let them off anywhere. This was simply a girl escalating a situation to show off in front of peers.

If the girl would've gotten off...and something would have happened to her...the driver is held liable. Simply, the driver followed protocol..and responded in defense. Imagine...without that camera, it would only be the testament of the kids for what happened...which if you listened closely...were exaggerated and false. Guess pitching a fit gets the girl what she wants at home.
Shayan

Rockville, MD

#5 Feb 24, 2008
I agree with everything Joe just said. The kids are her responsibility. She can't let them off.
Tony Rucker

Parlin, NJ

#6 Feb 25, 2008
What the hell is going on with the attitude of some of these children these days. Yes, they are children and not adults. The behavior and attitude of the young lady who demanded to be let off the SCHOOL bus was totally unacceptable yesterday, today or tomorrow. Can you say SPOILED BRAT ? In order for society to function at its highest level, children can not be allowed to usurp the authority of those who are responsible for their safety and well-being. This is where I beleive parents are failing in their parental duties and responsibilities. Parents, stop spoiling your kids and teach them to respect those who are placed in positions of responsibilty over them. I end my rant with this old African proverb. "If you refuse to be made straight when you are green, you will not be made straight when you are dry".
Dan

Watertown, NY

#7 Feb 25, 2008
It is attitudes like this bus driver that has led to the vicitmizing of innocent children. It is obvious that the lady outweighed the young girl by about 100lbs and acted like a bully instead of a responsable adult. I had no problem with her not allowing the student off the bus until the driver made physical contact with the youth. This is unacceptable and if it were my child I would then place my hands on the driver to see how she would like it. At no point should an adult place their hands on another parent's child and endanger the well being of that youth.
Policy

Little Rock, AR

#8 Feb 26, 2008
"policy" Doesn't allow for the way the driver reacts when the girl first stands up and says she wants off, The driver manhandles the girl. There is no reason and no call for such action. Simply blocking the girls path and asking her to sit down would be the best. If the girl refuses or tries to get past then a final warning. Calling for the help before she abused the girl would have also been a better Idea. Call for the help and notify them of where and when the girl left the bus but physically assaulting her is never an option especially just to keep her on the bus the video will prove that she told her not to leave and even blocked her path she would no longer be liable in a court of law if the teen shoves past her and runs off. Also as a side note then she is now liable for all the teens, but 3, because all but 3 got off the bus out the emergency exit anyway.
Maybe the girl went to far maybe she didn't what we do know is that the driver(adult) went way to far.
ilfhim

Bartow, FL

#9 Feb 26, 2008
Dan wrote:
It is attitudes like this bus driver that has led to the vicitmizing of innocent children. It is obvious that the lady outweighed the young girl by about 100lbs and acted like a bully instead of a responsable adult. I had no problem with her not allowing the student off the bus until the driver made physical contact with the youth. This is unacceptable and if it were my child I would then place my hands on the driver to see how she would like it. At no point should an adult place their hands on another parent's child and endanger the well being of that youth.
That "Child" was not in any danger by the bus driver trying to keep her on the bus.
RESPECT

Pittsburgh, PA

#10 Feb 26, 2008
In many comments on this video, people said that young adults should respect their elders. But what about elders respecting young adults? From what i seen in this video, it didn't seem as the student was doing anything wrong. Yet, the bus driver stops the bus and starts to question the student. This confrontation looked like it made the situation worse. If the student did something that was so wrong for the bus driver to stop the bus, then why doesn't the video show it? Yes, the bus driver has the duty to take care of the students on the bus, by not letting them off wherever. The bus driver should have spoken with the mother stating the problem, could have got verbal permission to let the kid off the bus, or told the mother to come pick the student up from that location. But the bus driver decision to put her hands on the student was obvious the wrong one, along with taking the students phone. Which, yet again, made the situation worse. I rode a bus to school for many years. I know that many school districts have ways to report if the student was being disorderly or in violation of the rules in a paper form. If the student was being so disorderly that she couldn't drive the bus in a safe manner, she should have pulled over. And call for help, without confronting the student. Watching the video the bus driver doesn't call for help until the student states that she was going to call her mother. Then the bus driver stated what sounded like, in a non mature way, "Fine, I'll call the police". In my mind i think the bus driver was way out of line by doing what she did and didn't do in the video. Was the student out of line? Yes, the student did get out of line only because of how the situation was handle. I know if that was my kid and someone people there hands on them, i would be extremely irate. For those people out there saying the bus driver had the right to put her hands on the student, put your kid in that situation. How would they react? How would you react knowing that a grown adult was putting there hands on your kids? What if that was a male bus driver. What would have came about? Finally one more point, for those people who said the kid wasn't in any danger by the bus driver restraining the kid. Obviously the students and bus driver were all in danger.
Thankfully there wasn't any serious injuries. Anytime the is a physical altercation someone is always in danger.
David Burleigh

Englewood, CO

#11 Feb 27, 2008
a bus driver is not a position of authority. it's a kidnapping and assault charge against the bus driver, and the student should never have been charged, but prosecutors are rather stupid.
faux

Makati, Philippines

#12 Feb 27, 2008
David Burleigh wrote:
a bus driver is not a position of authority. it's a kidnapping and assault charge against the bus driver, and the student should never have been charged, but prosecutors are rather stupid.
They were INSIDE the bus, which means, that they are THE authority at THAT time. Kidnapping? WTF. That is just stupid.
Anonymous

Austin, TX

#13 Feb 27, 2008
As a senior, I have to say the actions of the young lady is unacceptable, now for her at that time im sure she thought she had the right to get off but there are school policies that prohibit leaving the bus at a stop that's not assigned. In Texas, we have to sign a document stating that we will get off at bus stops near our houses and not just in the middle of some street. The actions of the bus driver were not acceptable either, for the first, the driver had no right to push her back, second, the punching was not acceptable, and third, there was no reason for her to start that fight. I liked how the driver called in for help. If I were the driver I would have explained to the girl her options and why she couldn't leave the bus. The young lady was in the wrong here because she was obviously show boating ( she kept turning around and looking at the other kids on the bus). I hope the driver gets taken from the job to something better and some jail. As for the chick, I'd guess she would get suspended for 1 week with no exemptions.
Bebekashmir

Los Angeles, CA

#14 Feb 29, 2008
And you would be wrong. Despite what the tantrum throwing abusive child says, you can see in the video that the bus driver never punched her or hit her. The kid was aggressively pushing against the driver and she simply didnít give in. Thatís not assault. Thatís not punching. Thatís exactly what she should have done. Since when do kids get to do whatever they want whenever they want? Looks to me like that little brat needs some parenting and some severe punishment.
MGg88

San Angelo, TX

#15 Feb 29, 2008
Bus driver could've handled the whole situation better.
josh

Grand Rapids, MI

#16 Mar 5, 2008
RESPECT wrote:
In many comments on this video, people said that young adults should respect their elders. But what about elders respecting young adults? From what i seen in this video, it didn't seem as the student was doing anything wrong. Yet, the bus driver stops the bus and starts to question the student. This confrontation looked like it made the situation worse. If the student did something that was so wrong for the bus driver to stop the bus, then why doesn't the video show it? Yes, the bus driver has the duty to take care of the students on the bus, by not letting them off wherever. The bus driver should have spoken with the mother stating the problem, could have got verbal permission to let the kid off the bus, or told the mother to come pick the student up from that location. But the bus driver decision to put her hands on the student was obvious the wrong one, along with taking the students phone. Which, yet again, made the situation worse. I rode a bus to school for many years. I know that many school districts have ways to report if the student was being disorderly or in violation of the rules in a paper form. If the student was being so disorderly that she couldn't drive the bus in a safe manner, she should have pulled over. And call for help, without confronting the student. Watching the video the bus driver doesn't call for help until the student states that she was going to call her mother. Then the bus driver stated what sounded like, in a non mature way, "Fine, I'll call the police". In my mind i think the bus driver was way out of line by doing what she did and didn't do in the video. Was the student out of line? Yes, the student did get out of line only because of how the situation was handle. I know if that was my kid and someone people there hands on them, i would be extremely irate. For those people out there saying the bus driver had the right to put her hands on the student, put your kid in that situation. How would they react? How would you react knowing that a grown adult was putting there hands on your kids? What if that was a male bus driver. What would have came about? Finally one more point, for those people who said the kid wasn't in any danger by the bus driver restraining the kid. Obviously the students and bus driver were all in danger.
Thankfully there wasn't any serious injuries. Anytime the is a physical altercation someone is always in danger.
You are an idiot...
Someone has to be in charge...
The bus driver is in charge...
The dumb kids had no right at all to challenge the bus driver...
My kids never would have acted that way...
The ones most responsible in this are pathetic parents of these punk kids...
Matthew

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Mar 5, 2008
josh wrote:
<quoted text>
You are an idiot...
Someone has to be in charge...
The bus driver is in charge...
The dumb kids had no right at all to challenge the bus driver...
My kids never would have acted that way...
The ones most responsible in this are pathetic parents of these punk kids...
Amen!
Mom

United States

#18 Mar 5, 2008
Derek - You are a numskull ... "detain her" ... "kidnapping" ... wait - you are probably about 10 years old. That is the only thing that would explain your comments ... or you are a numskull.
Derek wrote:
It's hard to do what you know is right when someone who is in a position of authority tries to prevent you from doing so.
The bus driver had no right to try to detain her in any manner or take her personal property. She tried to maintain her composure for quite some time despite the actions of the stubborn bus driver.
If it was my kid I would want the driver to let them off the bus, in effect what she did was kidnapping. She was detaining her against her will and should be brought up on charges.
exBusDriver

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Mar 8, 2008
THE BUS DRIVER HAS POOR CONFRONTATIONAL SKILLS, SHE DID EVERYTHING WRONG. IF ONLY SHE SPOKE TO THE KIDS MOTHER ON THE CELL. THE BUS DRIVER WOULD HAVE BEEN CLEARED FOR BREACHING PROTOCOL! AND ALSO TOUCHING SOMEONE IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO HELP THE SITUATION, JUST MADE IT WORSE. VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS. I HAVE NEVER ENCOUTERED THIS WHEN I DROVE FOR THE KIDS IN THE BRONX
Mom from MA

East Bridgewater, MA

#20 Mar 9, 2008
Cassandra had a temper tantrum, pure and simple. She probably is a spoiled brat who rules the house at home. She is obviously a show-off who was performing for the crowd. I think that the bus driver had amazing patience. I don't know how she stayed so calm. As for Cassandra's sidekick, her parents should be appalled at her behavior. Both girls need a wake up call by their parents before its too late!

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