Officer rescues woman in Billerica

A police officer working a detail last week helped rescue a woman allegedly being held against her will.

[wow]

Would have liked to see a flagman do that. Another crime stopped by one of thoose fat lazt doughnut eating detail cops.

[waste of money]

wow wrote:

Would have liked to see a flagman do that. Another crime stopped by one of thoose fat lazt doughnut eating detail cops.

All for the low cost of $28.5 Million annually in police details. I think a flagman with a cell phone could have called 911 for assistance just like Sgt. Frost. Probably lower training costs as well - press 9-1-1, then send.

[Hey]

wonder if you would feel the same if it was your daughter in need of help

[Hey]

well the cops are already trained...no cost there. you live in a prevailing wage state so the flagers are making as much as the cops plus they have to be paid benefits and unemployment when they get laid off no savings there!!! sounds like you r using Devals math. dope

[waste of money]

Hey wrote:

well the cops are already trained...no cost there. you live in a prevailing wage state so the flagers are making as much as the cops plus they have to be paid benefits and unemployment when they get laid off no savings there!!! sounds like you r using Devals math. dope

I can't stand Deval and wish he would go away, but are the other 49, yes all other 49 states, wrong as well?

Here's the data from the Massachusetts Office of Transportation and Public Works. I think they may have some idea of the costs. Please have someone read it to you.

http://www.eot.state.ma.us/downloads/PoliceDe...

Since you are probably too lazy (and it doesn't suit your position), let me provide a few of the summary statistics from the analysis. Sorry to use so many big words on you - maybe if you take your time you won't get a headache, but here goes:

•Current police hourly rates are on average 13.01% higher than current road flagger rates (Table 2.1);

•Police collective bargaining agreements typically have 4 (or 4-8) hour minimum reporting time requirements; Laborer collective bargaining agreements have 2-4-8 minimums and allow road flaggers to perform additional functions on a work site when not performing required traffic control duties (See Part III.B);

•The revised traffic management plates, regulations, and use of alternative personnel provide for more efficient placement and use of details, resulting in a projected 28.76% savings over current practice (See Table 5 and Attachment H);

This is a draft and will be revisited, but it sure seems to be pointing towards the use of flaggers as a much better alternative.

I love the name calling at the end of your post. Typical of a person with no facts or intelligent thoughts to support their argument. You're probably some mid-to-low IQ individual who squeaked through high school (if even) and now look to the union to cover for your mid-to-low achievement at work.

[waste of money]

wow wrote:

Would have liked to see a flagman do that. Another crime stopped by one of thoose fat lazt doughnut eating detail cops.

I think the only thing you spelled correctly in here was doughnut. You may want to add "stupid" to the description officer.

[The West Newton Kid]

waste of money wrote:

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I can't stand Deval and wish he would go away, but are the other 49, yes all other 49 states, wrong as well?
Here's the data from the Massachusetts Office of Transportation and Public Works. I think they may have some idea of the costs. Please have someone read it to you.
http://www.eot.state.ma.us/downloads/PoliceDe...
Since you are probably too lazy (and it doesn't suit your position), let me provide a few of the summary statistics from the analysis. Sorry to use so many big words on you - maybe if you take your time you won't get a headache, but here goes:
•Current police hourly rates are on average 13.01% higher than current road flagger rates (Table 2.1);
•Police collective bargaining agreements typically have 4 (or 4-8) hour minimum reporting time requirements; Laborer collective bargaining agreements have 2-4-8 minimums and allow road flaggers to perform additional functions on a work site when not performing required traffic control duties (See Part III.B);
•The revised traffic management plates, regulations, and use of alternative personnel provide for more efficient placement and use of details, resulting in a projected 28.76% savings over current practice (See Table 5 and Attachment H);
This is a draft and will be revisited, but it sure seems to be pointing towards the use of flaggers as a much better alternative.
I love the name calling at the end of your post. Typical of a person with no facts or intelligent thoughts to support their argument. You're probably some mid-to-low IQ individual who squeaked through high school (if even) and now look to the union to cover for your mid-to-low achievement at work.

Great post and great facts!

It's amazing how fast the cops and the police unions jump into every story involving a cop on a detail and try to add credibility to the legalized extortion of using police details for anything and everything in Mass. The cops know that they have a golden goose with these lucrative but frivolous police details; so they scramble to defend them. Just look at how fast they jumped into this story!

The cops now know that the rug can be yanked right out from under them (like what happened to the Quinn Bill) and they do not want to loose their free ride. They are having a feeding frenzy; like hogs at a trough; and they don't ever want it to end. They just never get their fill!

[wow]

waste of money wrote:

<quoted text>
I can't stand Deval and wish he would go away, but are the other 49, yes all other 49 states, wrong as well?
Here's the data from the Massachusetts Office of Transportation and Public Works. I think they may have some idea of the costs. Please have someone read it to you.
http://www.eot.state.ma.us/downloads/PoliceDe...
Since you are probably too lazy (and it doesn't suit your position), let me provide a few of the summary statistics from the analysis. Sorry to use so many big words on you - maybe if you take your time you won't get a headache, but here goes:
•Current police hourly rates are on average 13.01% higher than current road flagger rates (Table 2.1);
•Police collective bargaining agreements typically have 4 (or 4-8) hour minimum reporting time requirements; Laborer collective bargaining agreements have 2-4-8 minimums and allow road flaggers to perform additional functions on a work site when not performing required traffic control duties (See Part III.B);
•The revised traffic management plates, regulations, and use of alternative personnel provide for more efficient placement and use of details, resulting in a projected 28.76% savings over current practice (See Table 5 and Attachment H);
This is a draft and will be revisited, but it sure seems to be pointing towards the use of flaggers as a much better alternative.
I love the name calling at the end of your post. Typical of a person with no facts or intelligent thoughts to support their argument. You're probably some mid-to-low IQ individual who squeaked through high school (if even) and now look to the union to cover for your mid-to-low achievement at work.

The only thing you "failed" to mention was that Flagmen get "billed" out at $56 per hour. Sure they make about $38, but the company they work for bills the state at $56 per hour. I know it's a little hard for some of your simple minds to grasp, but a Flagman at $56 per hour Vs a Police Officer at $40. See any major cost savings here? Sure the Police get "paid" more, but the Police Department charges the state only what the Officers get paid. I know you might get a headache from this but it is what it is.
The 2-4-8 hours that Flagmen have is very similar to the Police 4-8 hrs. If a Flagman shows up and the company contracted by the state does not show up, the Flagman gets 2 hrs. of pay as opposed to the Police Officer who would get 4 hrs. pay. If the Flagmen steps out on the road, he gets 4 hrs. pay just like the Police Officer would. Still don't see any saving considering that if a company hired by the state doesn't show up to work then there is an issue with the management. I can tell you that this doesn't happen. I have never seen a company not show up for work on city or state contracts. It just doesn't happen.
You can say whatever you want about the cops on details, but the bottom line is that Flagmen will actually cost more then Police Officers.
And please don't start with the B.S. of Flagmen not getting billed out at $56 per hour. It is what the signal companies charge the state for each Flagmen per hour. Gov. Patrick did not tell anyone about this, but if you don't believe it, check for yourself.
BTW flagmen do not perform "other" duties when assigned to road construction sites.

[wow]

waste of money wrote:

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I think the only thing you spelled correctly in here was doughnut. You may want to add "stupid" to the description officer.

The Village of Nagog Woods called looking for you, they want their idiot back.

[wow]

The West Newton Kid wrote:

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Great post and great facts!
It's amazing how fast the cops and the police unions jump into every story involving a cop on a detail and try to add credibility to the legalized extortion of using police details for anything and everything in Mass. The cops know that they have a golden goose with these lucrative but frivolous police details; so they scramble to defend them. Just look at how fast they jumped into this story!
The cops now know that the rug can be yanked right out from under them (like what happened to the Quinn Bill) and they do not want to loose their free ride. They are having a feeding frenzy; like hogs at a trough; and they don't ever want it to end. They just never get their fill!

Great post West Newton Idiot or who ever you are today. Just amazing that you can actually pretend to be someone different on different posts. It's like your a cross dresser pretending to be someone else, you freak.

[The West Newton Kid]

wow wrote:

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The only thing you "failed" to mention was that Flagmen get "billed" out at $56 per hour. Sure they make about $38, but the company they work for bills the state at $56 per hour. I know it's a little hard for some of your simple minds to grasp, but a Flagman at $56 per hour Vs a Police Officer at $40. See any major cost savings here? Sure the Police get "paid" more, but the Police Department charges the state only what the Officers get paid. I know you might get a headache from this but it is what it is.
The 2-4-8 hours that Flagmen have is very similar to the Police 4-8 hrs. If a Flagman shows up and the company contracted by the state does not show up, the Flagman gets 2 hrs. of pay as opposed to the Police Officer who would get 4 hrs. pay. If the Flagmen steps out on the road, he gets 4 hrs. pay just like the Police Officer would. Still don't see any saving considering that if a company hired by the state doesn't show up to work then there is an issue with the management. I can tell you that this doesn't happen. I have never seen a company not show up for work on city or state contracts. It just doesn't happen.
You can say whatever you want about the cops on details, but the bottom line is that Flagmen will actually cost more then Police Officers.
And please don't start with the B.S. of Flagmen not getting billed out at $56 per hour. It is what the signal companies charge the state for each Flagmen per hour. Gov. Patrick did not tell anyone about this, but if you don't believe it, check for yourself.
BTW flagmen do not perform "other" duties when assigned to road construction sites.

Obviously, the problem with your argument is that you are assuming that every last cop on a detail would be replaced by a flagman. But, this is far from what actually needs to happen. Here's why:

Let's look at the Mass State cops for a moment; as they are working on these details. Most of us have witnessed the construction taking place on Route 495. And, much of this construction takes place at night. All any of us has to do is drive down 495, between Lowell and Haverhill at night; and we can all see Mass State cops sitting on their duffs in their cruisers with their lights flashing. They are mostly parked in the median area; far from traffic and they are literally doing nothing whatsover; beyond fatteneing their wallets and their rear ends. The same goes for the construction on Route 2 that has been taking place; from 495 towards Ayer. This construction is also taking place at night. And, the Mass State cops are parked safely on the other side of endless concrete barriers. They are not protecting anyone on the construction crews, they are not getting involved with the passing traffic; they are simply sitting on their flabby fannies and collecting a paycheck for doing nothing. At time and a half pay with a 4 hour minimum!

In all of the cases above; we do not need to replace any of the free loading Mass State cops with Flagmen. It would serve no purpose. Obviously, all of these over paid Mass State cops are serving no purpose either; so the whole sham can simply be discontinued; at a massive savings for the Taxpayers!

[citizen]

Is an officers details and/or overtime pay figured into their pensions?
I had heard they are, so many officers take on a lot of details and pensions for a few years before they retire so their pensions will be higher. I am not sure how true that really is.
IF that is true, that should not be allowed. I think their pensions should be based on their regular yearly salary.

[The West Newton Kid]

citizen wrote:

Is an officers details and/or overtime pay figured into their pensions?
I had heard they are, so many officers take on a lot of details and pensions for a few years before they retire so their pensions will be higher. I am not sure how true that really is.
IF that is true, that should not be allowed. I think their pensions should be based on their regular yearly salary.

Agreed! As you said; we are not sure how these details factor into the cops retirements. The cops and their unions are especially talented with keeping hush hush regarding information that they know darn well will not set right with the public. In other words; they know darn well when they are fleecing the Taxpayers; so they go out of their way to keep the information from leaking out to the people who are actually paying their salaries.....

It is kind of like the scam that many cops run; where they go out on a permanent job related injury; right before they retire; in lieu of retiring. They run this scam to avoid paying any income tax on their monthly income steam. All it takes is a cobbled up claim of "job related stress" and the cop goes out on a permanent disability and is never held responsible for any income taxes! The cops love this free ride; so they make sure that is it never discussed out in public!

[Obamas Teleprompter]

I don't have all the facts in this case. But, the officer acted stupidly. Instead of pursuing the Kidnapper, he should have closed the kidnapee's door. Now, if we had a civilian flagman there instead, that's what he would have done. But, it would have been OK! The cop could have gotten involved after the Kidnapper killed her.

I'd like to sit down and have a beer with the Kidnapper and the Cop to see if we can come to some acceptable resolution on this.

[local cop]

The West Newton Kid wrote:

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Agreed! As you said; we are not sure how these details factor into the cops retirements. The cops and their unions are especially talented with keeping hush hush regarding information that they know darn well will not set right with the public. In other words; they know darn well when they are fleecing the Taxpayers; so they go out of their way to keep the information from leaking out to the people who are actually paying their salaries.....
It is kind of like the scam that many cops run; where they go out on a permanent job related injury; right before they retire; in lieu of retiring. They run this scam to avoid paying any income tax on their monthly income steam. All it takes is a cobbled up claim of "job related stress" and the cop goes out on a permanent disability and is never held responsible for any income taxes! The cops love this free ride; so they make sure that is it never discussed out in public!

what a cop makes on a detail has no effect on his pension in any way shape or form. Even Stated auditor Denucci agrees that Flag men will not save any money. How about the fact that Devals secretary of public safety owns a flag man company and is the largest supporter of the bill?

[The West Newton Kid]

Obamas Teleprompter wrote:

I don't have all the facts in this case. But, the officer acted stupidly. Instead of pursuing the Kidnapper, he should have closed the kidnapee's door. Now, if we had a civilian flagman there instead, that's what he would have done. But, it would have been OK! The cop could have gotten involved after the Kidnapper killed her.
I'd like to sit down and have a beer with the Kidnapper and the Cop to see if we can come to some acceptable resolution on this.

No, as a previous Poster pointed out; a civilian Flagman could have simply called 911 on his cellphone; and the outcome would have been the same!

[wow]

The West Newton Kid wrote:

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Obviously, the problem with your argument is that you are assuming that every last cop on a detail would be replaced by a flagman. But, this is far from what actually needs to happen. Here's why:
Let's look at the Mass State cops for a moment; as they are working on these details. Most of us have witnessed the construction taking place on Route 495. And, much of this construction takes place at night. All any of us has to do is drive down 495, between Lowell and Haverhill at night; and we can all see Mass State cops sitting on their duffs in their cruisers with their lights flashing. They are mostly parked in the median area; far from traffic and they are literally doing nothing whatsover; beyond fatteneing their wallets and their rear ends. The same goes for the construction on Route 2 that has been taking place; from 495 towards Ayer. This construction is also taking place at night. And, the Mass State cops are parked safely on the other side of endless concrete barriers. They are not protecting anyone on the construction crews, they are not getting involved with the passing traffic; they are simply sitting on their flabby fannies and collecting a paycheck for doing nothing. At time and a half pay with a 4 hour minimum!
In all of the cases above; we do not need to replace any of the free loading Mass State cops with Flagmen. It would serve no purpose. Obviously, all of these over paid Mass State cops are serving no purpose either; so the whole sham can simply be discontinued; at a massive savings for the Taxpayers!

You just go on and on with made up B.S. don't you.
Even you can't be stupid enough to believe that the State Troopers are being paid time and a half. The Mass. Troopers detail rate is $40 per hour not $56 like it cost the state when they use Flagmen.

[wow]

citizen wrote:

Is an officers details and/or overtime pay figured into their pensions?
I had heard they are, so many officers take on a lot of details and pensions for a few years before they retire so their pensions will be higher. I am not sure how true that really is.
IF that is true, that should not be allowed. I think their pensions should be based on their regular yearly salary.

No. Officers detail pay is NOT figured into their pensions. Absolutly not, although I wish it was:)

[wow]

The West Newton Kid wrote:

<quoted text>
Agreed! As you said; we are not sure how these details factor into the cops retirements. The cops and their unions are especially talented with keeping hush hush regarding information that they know darn well will not set right with the public. In other words; they know darn well when they are fleecing the Taxpayers; so they go out of their way to keep the information from leaking out to the people who are actually paying their salaries.....
It is kind of like the scam that many cops run; where they go out on a permanent job related injury; right before they retire; in lieu of retiring. They run this scam to avoid paying any income tax on their monthly income steam. All it takes is a cobbled up claim of "job related stress" and the cop goes out on a permanent disability and is never held responsible for any income taxes! The cops love this free ride; so they make sure that is it never discussed out in public!

It's public information you tool. Go to any retirement board and ask.
So if an Officer gets hurt on the job, he should not be able to collect anything? Thats just disgraceful. If a M.D. is saying that the person who spent a great deal of his or her life in public safety gets hurt and can no longer work, we should be taking care of them.

[Flagman]

The West Newton Kid wrote:

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No, as a previous Poster pointed out; a civilian Flagman could have simply called 911 on his cellphone; and the outcome would have been the same!

The outcome would be the same? Maybe, Maybe not. But, everything would be delayed and that delay could cost the victim their life. The victim's chances are alot better when the response isn't delayed. The same could be said if it were a car accident or Medical Emergency too.

Have you ever called 911 on a cell phone?(assume that 'you' are the flagman)

The call goes to the State Police
You explain the situation to them
They get a hold of the Local Police
You explain the situation to them.
They dispatch a cruiser and it takes a few minutes for the cruiser to get to the scene (sometimes 15-30 Minutes).
The cruiser arrives at the scene
You explain the situation to them.
They radio back to Dispatch and explain the situation to them
Dispatch puts out an APB on the suspect vehicle explaining the situation to other officers
The initial cruiser goes out in the last known direction of the suspect vehicle and HOPES that they go in the same direction and are able to find them.

How is that better than the cop being on scene already, witnessing the situation first hand and responding immediately?