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Mountain lion kills seven alpacas - Ft. Bragg Advocate-News

There are 46 comments on the Fort Bragg Advocate-News story from Sep 17, 2009, titled Mountain lion kills seven alpacas - Ft. Bragg Advocate-News. In it, Fort Bragg Advocate-News reports that:

Inside a 5-foot-tall wire fence, Elizabeth De Marchis stands with a group of curious alpacas on her property along Airport Road.

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alicat

Fort Bragg, CA

#42 Jun 13, 2012
ulogoni wrote:
If the alpaca are so important to her, maybe she will learn how to provide protective shelter for them. A simple step.
"Sacrificial animals" would be yet another ill move. For her and the puma. All this would do would encourage the cat to return to a place where easy meals are readily available.
Hi
Tho the cougar kill is old news, here's an update---Ms Demarchis got 2 Labs as guard dogs, rather than make the effort to enclose her alpacas each night. These unneutered dogs were kept in a small corral adjacent to the alpacas. The dogs seemed neglected and bored, with incessant barking.(I'm a neighbor and I know.) Recently the dogs got in with the herd and killed 5 alpacas!!!!!
This woman should NOT have any animals in her 'care'!
Thought you might be interested.
alicat
alicat

Fort Bragg, CA

#43 Jun 13, 2012
OHBOY wrote:
The guard dog for livestock is wildlife freindly. They stay with the flock and protect. They do not hunt for preditors but rather protect. Costs range from 200 dollars for pup or an adult that is trained for a thousand dollars. They have been a true savior to the sheep industry and goat industry throughout the US.
Her 2 'guard dogs'--labradors, recently killed 5 more of her alpacas.

Since: Sep 09

Walnut Creek, CA

#44 Aug 12, 2012
alicat wrote:
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Hi
Tho the cougar kill is old news, here's an update---Ms Demarchis got 2 Labs as guard dogs, rather than make the effort to enclose her alpacas each night. These unneutered dogs were kept in a small corral adjacent to the alpacas. The dogs seemed neglected and bored, with incessant barking.(I'm a neighbor and I know.) Recently the dogs got in with the herd and killed 5 alpacas!!!!!
This woman should NOT have any animals in her 'care'!
Thought you might be interested.
alicat
Oh that is rich. Labradors? Apparently she failed to do basic research. A simple Google search containing the keywords "alpaca livestock guardian dog" brings up a decent overview and advise on the topic in the very first link ( http://www.owning-alpaca.com/livestock-guardi... ). You don't grab two dogs and smack a livestock guardian label on them. The title does not create the role. These are living beings, not pre-programmed automatons. For one, the dogs must be raised with and bonded to the herd. This clearly never occurred. No canid should be kept in a small corral for great lengths of time; a recipe for neurosis, anxiety and aggression.

Thank you for the update, alicat, I agree with your final assessment. Sigh.
alicat

Fort Bragg, CA

#45 Aug 23, 2012
OHBOY wrote:
Very true guard dogs work wonders. I have only herad of a couple cases of cat kills on guard dogs. I do however fault our county for not funding the use of a county trapper. Some cats are bad cats and are not only a threat to livestock (Legal Industry) but also our public safety. Mendocino County has some of the highest populations of cats then anywhere in california. Granted they have right to roam and hunt. Cats starve to death. it is the natural balnce of things. They will however kill anything to feed themselfs.
I know this id OLD news, but here's an update--a few months ago, her 'guard dogs', 2 neglected labs, killed 5 more of her herd. She was irresponsible in caring for the alpacs and any other animal she has owned.
guest

Garberville, CA

#46 Dec 16, 2014
Actually Cougars are very capable of understanding boundaries/territories. If one or 2 are shot when getting too close to humans (and their human babies), which happens far more often than we read about in the news, then they learn to stay further away from people. Humans are mammals and have territories just as bears and cougars do. And like any other mammal, humans will protect their territories and threats to their young.

Fear of humans is a good thing for wildlife predators. It keeps a larger population alive. And for those of you living in urban areas- you have no idea just how much range there is for wildlife here. Quite a bit.

Since: Sep 09

Walnut Creek, CA

#47 Dec 28, 2014
guest wrote:
Actually Cougars are very capable of understanding boundaries/territories. If one or 2 are shot when getting too close to humans (and their human babies), which happens far more often than we read about in the news, then they learn to stay further away from people. Humans are mammals and have territories just as bears and cougars do. And like any other mammal, humans will protect their territories and threats to their young.
Fear of humans is a good thing for wildlife predators. It keeps a larger population alive. And for those of you living in urban areas- you have no idea just how much range there is for wildlife here. Quite a bit.
When puma are even suspected of hunting their natural prey near humans, it makes the news. With sensational headlines in fact, "Mountain lion blamed for killing baby deer in Hillsborough". Thankfully in California the cats have been afforded further protection and can no longer be lethally removed simply for being noticed by people. Unless an actual "imminent threat to public health or safety" is determined, non-lethal procedures must be employed. An "imminent threat" is defined as, "a situation where a mountain lion exhibits aggressive behavior toward a person that is not reasonably believed to be due to the presence of responders." So unless you are hinting at poaching, such stories are certain to make the news.

Other than during courtship, or a mother with cubs in tow, puma are a solitary species. A dead puma cannot fear anything. Being dead, s/he also cannot pass on fear. Being solitary, ambush predators, they are naturally elusive. There is NO evidence of attacks on humans or human fatalities increasing among more protected populations of these felids. None. What research does reveal, is that killing cougars has actually INCREASED conflicts with people. It is because of this extreme territoriality and the resultant disruption of a dead cat that can no longer defend any space whatsoever, that we see more conflicts.

"If an adult male cougar dies or is killed – by a hunter, for instance – the territory is left undefended and younger male cougars will move in. Often two or more younger cats enter the territory formerly occupied by a single adult male. Because cougars don’t develop their territorial instincts until they are about 4 years old, the younger cougars may occupy overlapping ranges for a few years, resulting in a higher local cougar population, and increasing the potential for interactions with livestock and humans." - http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/07/31/managi...

“In other words, hunting leaves a void – one that’s quickly filled by inexperienced sub-adults. Imagine a human society dominated by teenagers and you get an idea what high hunting takes do for cougar dynamics.”- http://www.salon.com/2014/03/09/cat_fight_how...

Effects of Sport Hunting on Cougar Population, Community, and Landscape Ecology - http://youtu.be/2_ZD-PAKhSo

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