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#69460 Mar 15, 2014
former res wrote:
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This all sounds reasonable enough and I'm inclined to agree.
Every material object, sentient or insentient, radiates energy into its surroundings and receives energy for its environment.

After death, it's reasonable to suppose that part of the energy would be used up to decompose the body and part would radiate into the surroundings.

Life after death as a sentient entity appears unlikely since once the brain's electrical field leaves the body, assuming it does so after death, the causal contact of the electrical field with the brain is snapped and so it's most likely that the sentience dies out (remembering that sentience is an activity of complex neuronal networking) and the little sentience that's left over as part of the exited electrical field that soon gets extinguished unless this field with its remnant sentience merges with the energy field of a living organism - in such a case it could be possible for it to continue its existence in the neuronal energy field of the living person.

All said and done, the bottom line is this - sentience, life or consciousness are products of matter in various stages of organization.

There's nothing mystical about anything.

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#69461 Mar 15, 2014
former res wrote:
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But as with the existence of some sort of supernatural power, I don't think we can say with 100% certainty either way.

Do you?
"Supernatural" is simply a word used by people who fail to understand the intricate workings of energy/matter.

By this yardstick, gravity was a supernatural phenomenon before the time of Newton.

So, if by supernatural is meant a mystical substance then it's unlikely that such a substance can exist since the evidence from every perspective points to energy/matter constituting the essential stuff of the universe.

So, what is this supernatural substance?

How does this so-called supernatural substance connect with energy/matter?

Religious folks have no answer to any of these questions for obvious reasons....

There're ample ways to demonstrate the material basis of sentience/consciousness.

Consciousness can neither exist on its own nor can it do work since it would need energy/matter to exist and to do work and so consciousness falls under the domain of energy/matter workings and consciousness can be manipulated by drugs, surgery to brain, by hypnosis and by external electrical fields and death of neurons signals the disappearance of consciousness.

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#69462 Mar 15, 2014
former res wrote:
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So of those you have clinically "died" and returned have some interesting stories to tell.

I believe there is some commonality in their stories as well.
The commonality in NDE experiences is due to the kick starting of the subconscious in this state when the brain/heart EM activity temporarily enters an ELF (extremely low frequency) that does not show up on recording devices like EEG/ECG.

The light seen during NDE is of EM origin since light of various frequencies is part of the EM spectrum and the familiar faces seen are faces drawn from subconscious memories. Scenes perceived during an NDE are in a way similar to lucid dream state.

Some of our best intuitions come to us during dream state when much of the brain is silent and the rested and memories from our subconscious form more meaningful patterns that make better sense than those formed in the waking state.

Kekule discovered the C6H6 ring structure during dream.

The feeling of freedom in NDE is native to the low energy ELF state.

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#69463 Mar 15, 2014
typo

Every material object, sentient or insentient, radiates energy into its surroundings and receives energy FROM its environment.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#69464 Mar 16, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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All religious iconography is symbolic -- some more so than others. I don't find a cross any more or less offensive as the yin yang, the karmic wheel, a swastika (the original one) or the golden arches.

Atheism, at it's core, is a desire not to be included in the world of religion or faith-based ideologies and that is a great thing. An ideology based on no preconceptions would be a great thing. That is why I find it so ironic that a radical atheist's response to religious culture is either "I don't have something so you can't have something" or "if you have something I want to have it too". At best it's ironic, at worst it's petulant and childish.

I don't believe that the inclusion of religious iconography is a publicly funded museum constitutes either making a law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. I also believe that attempting to erase any hint of religious culture from any public institution is reductio ad absurdum of the First Amendment.
You are confusing atheism with the desire to maintain separation of church and state. The atheist response to the WTC cross was not not to ban it, but to press for inclusion. Again, it is not our role to judge the merit of their iconography or their attempt at inclusion, any more than theirs to judge ours.

At some point ,there is a tipping point where the inclusion of religious culture within a public institution violates the principle of separation of church and state, and the courts have been pretty adamant about providing guidance as per where that it is on a case to case basis. Just that fact alone would negate your reductio view, I would think.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#69465 Mar 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Get back to your menial job with G-d tucked deep inside your butt crack, Ok?
Take a deep breath and your meds

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#69466 Mar 16, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Take a deep breath and your meds
Hi Dunce with a PhD in "science".

How's your non-existent biblical G-d doing?

LMFAO

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#69467 Mar 16, 2014
The non-existent G-d of the Hebrew Bible is tucked deep in the butt-cracks of believers. LOL.

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#69468 Mar 16, 2014
The non-historical Hebrew patriarchs were invented by hallucinating idiots who passed on their fictional stories to brainless idiots. Same for all faiths. LOL.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#69469 Mar 16, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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You are confusing atheism with the desire to maintain separation of church and state. The atheist response to the WTC cross was not not to ban it, but to press for inclusion. Again, it is not our role to judge the merit of their iconography or their attempt at inclusion, any more than theirs to judge ours.
At some point ,there is a tipping point where the inclusion of religious culture within a public institution violates the principle of separation of church and state, and the courts have been pretty adamant about providing guidance as per where that it is on a case to case basis. Just that fact alone would negate your reductio view, I would think.
Still having a problem understanding the form an Atheist icon would take. I'm still leaning towards a decorative question mark -- ala "The Riddler". The WTC is the site of a mass killing. Putting a cross over a mass killing doesn't negate the existence of non-Xtians who who were also killed. It's a sign of respect for the dead in our culture, not exclusion of non-Xtians.

At Babi Yar in Kiev, there is a very large menorah and mogen david over the site of the mass killing of 50,000 Jews. That doesn't mean that there isn't at least a few atheists or even a druid or two among the victims of that slaughter -- it just means that the majority were Jews. Only so much inclusion is practical. It's not like you can bring them all back to life and conduct surveys on exactly what they believed.

Yes, the courts have ruled pretty aggressively on the establishment clause but to what end? Anyone who believes judicial fiat can outlaw school prayer has never taken a final exam. Should all the students of a public school be coerced or even forced to choose to participate in school prayer? Of course not, that is a clear violation of the separation principal. Should, however, schools (or other public institutions) be forbidden from allowing their unused facilities to be used by groups or persons with religious affiliations in activities that may, or may not, include a prayer? I don't see why this is an issue or how it in any way constitutes the establishment of or the free exercise of religion.

The courts might very well rule against the inclusion of a cross at a 911 memorial if someone or some group is offended and litigious enough to take it to the courts. My personal opinion is "who gives a fetid dingo's kidney?". Will a victory make anyone any more or less included in the memorial? In my opinion, it's a lot of noise with the only goal of creating more divisiveness in the US and has precious little to do with inclusion.

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#69470 Mar 16, 2014
Where the fu-ck is that bastard, HaShem? LOL.

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#69471 Mar 16, 2014
WTF, Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh, you mother fu-cking fictional rascal who deserves a PhD in duncery. LOL.

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#69472 Mar 16, 2014
Porn films should be shot in synagogues as a befitting gesture of the evil and filth these shrines represent. Pages torn from the Torah can be used to wipe semen or as toilet paper. LOL.
aegege

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#69473 Mar 16, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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and you are a serious loon
seriously
I don't care what you think -- Is what i'm saying true or not?
Did Isreal start with "god" or is it the result of Rothschild family?

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#69474 Mar 16, 2014
Pages torn from the Torah can be used to wipe semen or as toilet paper.

LOL.
aegege

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#69475 Mar 16, 2014
This is the creation of Isreal by rich banker Rothschild:
So examine history of Isreal.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
aegege

Klaksvík, Faroe Islands

#69476 Mar 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE, watch out, don't defame jews, jews are people of god, they say so themself in the bible witch they invented themself :D LOL

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#69477 Mar 16, 2014
NATIONALITY/CONTINENTAL LABELS OVER RELIGIOUS ONES

People should NOT be known by their ancestral faith but by their nationality or continental type. All these ideas of equating a religion with a specific gene type are erroneous. For instance, a Muslim from Tanzania should not be called a Muslim but an African or a Tanzanian professing the Muslim faith that is if he is a believer in Islam. Similarly, a Jew from Russia should be called a European from Russia or a Russian professing the Jewish faith that is if he is a believer in Judaism. Ditto for every faith.
aegege

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#69478 Mar 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Porn films should be shot in synagogues as a befitting gesture of the evil and filth these shrines represent. Pages torn from the Torah can be used to wipe semen or as toilet paper. LOL.
Jews are filthy pervert people who bite of the foreskin of newborn babies.
Jews are also big liars, swindlers and people without conscinecne.
Jews are moral relativists.

For the jews they only care about what benifits them in the moments, they modify "the truth" to serve them.

There is nothing "true of false" for the jews.

And ther is abolutly no "right of wrong" for the jews. As long as jews gain power and domination they are for it.

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#69479 Mar 16, 2014
aegege wrote:
JOEL COOL DUDE, watch out, don't defame Jews, Jews are people of god, they say so themselves in the bible witch they invented themselves :

D LOL
Thankfully, I threw all that away at age 17 but then got immersed with a New Age guru.

I threw away that bastard of a guru as well and am now free albeit with serious damage to mind, emotions and nerves.

I hope I recover soon....

I am now an atheist who goes by reason and evidence and everything in life, science and yogic experience points towards energy/matter as constituting the basis of the universe.

I have now even dumped the whole lot of stressful discipline leading to yogic experiences - yogic experience are the various brain states that get activated

The heightened brain states that've arisen in me are continuing due to concentrated past endeavors in yogic discipline but now that I have thrown away everything, including yoga, I want to see how long these heightened brain states (with their concomitant energetic mechanisms at work in the nervous system) last....

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