Speakers say - bring it back' to Dunkirk

Several speakers had that to say and more while addressing the absence of Social Services delivery by Chautauqua County in the city of Dunkirk.

[HoratioB]

Why? So it can be made easier? Make it easier for the "truly disabled and truly needy" and let the rest get a job. You'd be surprised how many would get a job or move on if it wasn't so easy to move to Dunkirk and get paid to do nothing except loaf and drink beer. Show us the numbers! Show us who is getting our tax dollars, show us who is dodging a job....move to Florida and sit on the beach and be warm if you are cold. Don't live in Dunkirk, NY. Don't ask me to pay your heat bill when I can hardly pay my own.

[Woody]

Don't worry buddy, you'll be nice , and warm living in hell with that attitude. If you read the article, people receiving services were referred to as "the working poor". The majority of them are working, but need help taking care of their families. State poverty levels, federal programs, like Food Stamps,say they are eligible. They don't need your appproval. They need the "man" in charge of Social Services to prove that he might have a brain, and do what is right, not what he wants.

[Cash]

smoke bud

[No name necessary]

Woody wrote:

Don't worry buddy, you'll be nice , and warm living in hell with that attitude. If you read the article, people receiving services were referred to as "the working poor". The majority of them are working, but need help taking care of their families. State poverty levels, federal programs, like Food Stamps,say they are eligible. They don't need your appproval. They need the "man" in charge of Social Services to prove that he might have a brain, and do what is right, not what he wants.

OMG! You hit the nail on the head ... These people who are totally against DSS and the people who need the services are going by emotions and NOT the facts. FACT: This is the worst economy since the Great Depression. If they closed up DSS altogether and provided no financial help, there would NOT be enough jobs for everyone. 1 in 8 households receive Food Stamps now ... The highest in history. I guess all these families that need help are suddenly losers who don't want to work, right??? Wrong. The current program of traveling teams to different locations is a waste of taxpayers money. Internet connection is shitty at best. Few clients are serves at these sites while work piles up on your desk back at the office. It's stupid. You may not want DSS back here, but you will have people on welfare in your neighborhood whether you like it or not.

[HoratioB]

Woody wrote:

Don't worry buddy, you'll be nice , and warm living in hell with that attitude. If you read the article, people receiving services were referred to as "the working poor". The majority of them are working, but need help taking care of their families. State poverty levels, federal programs, like Food Stamps,say they are eligible. They don't need your appproval. They need the "man" in charge of Social Services to prove that he might have a brain, and do what is right, not what he wants.

Good grief, folks...don't be climbing on my back. I am all for helping anyone who needs it. I could need it myself one day. All I am saying is make sure that's who is getting the help. Y'all know the people I mean...the ones wearing the gold, riding in a taxi to Walmart and then using welfare money to buy nice perfume and t-bone steaks. I don't begrudge the working poor help at all. I think you read me wrong. I was talking about the deadbeats.

[Joe Worker]

Woody you are either delusional, on the program or work for the program. People are fed up with the handouts. Most people, I said most not all, receive assistance not because of situations they could not control. Rather by things, they have complete control over. Multiple babies with different fathers is this a controllable or non-controllable situation? Don’t get me wrong there is a need for DSS, but only a fool would believe it is being utilized correctly and that there is only a few cheaters or losers collecting. If you support that argument you need to get mental help or have a doctor remove your head from your a**. I think Chautauqua County should follow Erie County’s lead. Most services are in down town Buffalo at a central location. Erie County’s population and welfare recipients’ dwarf Chautauqua County’s but some how they get to Buffalo for all the help that they need. Therefore, with that said, the Jamestown offices should be closed as well. Build a new facility in Mayville, and have everyone that needs help report there. This would cut cost and eliminate duplication of services. C.A.R.T.S. would be running hard and most likely qualify for funding from sources outside of Chautauqua County, thus reducing the burden on the people paying the bill even more. Since you brought up hell as if you are a practicing Christian I found a good quote from the bible; “Work hard and become a leader; be lazy and never succeed.(Proverbs 12:24)”
Please do not flood this blog with Bible quotes because for every quote that supports your thought the bible has another that will contradict it. Seriously, a central location in Mayville would be cheaper and would cut down on fraud as well. The Cities of Dunkirk and Jamestown could start to rebuild their images instead being referred to as welfare towns. Mayville would not be perceived that way because it is “Clearly the Center for All That Is Good”. Lol.

[Woody]

I agree, people receiving services sometimes do have control over their situations. Sometimes they don't know how to take control. It is what it is. Erie County Social Services is not like Chautauqua County. We are rural. Carts buses do not run 24/7. I have no intention on flooding this blog with Bible quotes. I just made a flip remark about that first speaker going to hell. Sounds like you're a little defensive.

[foulball]

I'm tired of it in my backyard! Centralize it in Mayville or expand in Jamestown. There is a team here 2 days a week to meet emergency needs and the surrounding towns on the other days. The Resource Center and the Dunkirk Senior Center help those that use their services get the assistance they need. Trust me, IF someone wants the services, they will find a way to go to Jamestown the ONE time per year that they need to certify in person. The 6 month recert is done via mail! Years ago when I needed assistance with daycare monies I had to go to Jamestown or not get the help I needed until I was back on my feet. I found a way to get there. Amazing how people find a way to get to the malls to shop or get to the airport for the flight back to their "home" country (or southern state) with no issues. Expand the CARTS hours and number of runs--more jobs. There is also already a regular coach bus that goes from Jamestown to Buffalo and back with stops in Dunkirk and Fredonia a couple times of day as well. I am not anti social services and have used the programs briefly before--as the working poor. But the system was not working before the fire, so why keep doing what isn't working?!

[Just Wondering]

Joe Worker wrote:

Woody you are either delusional, on the program or work for the program. People are fed up with the handouts. Most people, I said most not all, receive assistance not because of situations they could not control. Rather by things, they have complete control over. Multiple babies with different fathers is this a controllable or non-controllable situation? Don’t get me wrong there is a need for DSS, but only a fool would believe it is being utilized correctly and that there is only a few cheaters or losers collecting. If you support that argument you need to get mental help or have a doctor remove your head from your a**. I think Chautauqua County should follow Erie County’s lead. Most services are in down town Buffalo at a central location. Erie County’s population and welfare recipients’ dwarf Chautauqua County’s but some how they get to Buffalo for all the help that they need. Therefore, with that said, the Jamestown offices should be closed as well. Build a new facility in Mayville, and have everyone that needs help report there. This would cut cost and eliminate duplication of services. C.A.R.T.S. would be running hard and most likely qualify for funding from sources outside of Chautauqua County, thus reducing the burden on the people paying the bill even more. Since you brought up hell as if you are a practicing Christian I found a good quote from the bible; “Work hard and become a leader; be lazy and never succeed.(Proverbs 12:24)”
Please do not flood this blog with Bible quotes because for every quote that supports your thought the bible has another that will contradict it. Seriously, a central location in Mayville would be cheaper and would cut down on fraud as well. The Cities of Dunkirk and Jamestown could start to rebuild their images instead being referred to as welfare towns. Mayville would not be perceived that way because it is “Clearly the Center for All That Is Good”. Lol.

Great Post... Right on the nail...

[HoratioB]

Joe Worker wrote:

Woody you are either delusional, on the program or work for the program. People are fed up with the handouts. Most people, I said most not all, receive assistance not because of situations they could not control. Rather by things, they have complete control over. Multiple babies with different fathers is this a controllable or non-controllable situation? Don’t get me wrong there is a need for DSS, but only a fool would believe it is being utilized correctly and that there is only a few cheaters or losers collecting. If you support that argument you need to get mental help or have a doctor remove your head from your a**. I think Chautauqua County should follow Erie County’s lead. Most services are in down town Buffalo at a central location. Erie County’s population and welfare recipients’ dwarf Chautauqua County’s but some how they get to Buffalo for all the help that they need. Therefore, with that said, the Jamestown offices should be closed as well. Build a new facility in Mayville, and have everyone that needs help report there. This would cut cost and eliminate duplication of services. C.A.R.T.S. would be running hard and most likely qualify for funding from sources outside of Chautauqua County, thus reducing the burden on the people paying the bill even more. Since you brought up hell as if you are a practicing Christian I found a good quote from the bible; “Work hard and become a leader; be lazy and never succeed.(Proverbs 12:24)”
Please do not flood this blog with Bible quotes because for every quote that supports your thought the bible has another that will contradict it. Seriously, a central location in Mayville would be cheaper and would cut down on fraud as well. The Cities of Dunkirk and Jamestown could start to rebuild their images instead being referred to as welfare towns. Mayville would not be perceived that way because it is “Clearly the Center for All That Is Good”. Lol.

Exactly what I was "trying to say", but you are far more eloquent. You said it well and I sure agree!

[HoratioB]

foulball wrote:

I'm tired of it in my backyard! Centralize it in Mayville or expand in Jamestown. There is a team here 2 days a week to meet emergency needs and the surrounding towns on the other days. The Resource Center and the Dunkirk Senior Center help those that use their services get the assistance they need. Trust me, IF someone wants the services, they will find a way to go to Jamestown the ONE time per year that they need to certify in person. The 6 month recert is done via mail! Years ago when I needed assistance with daycare monies I had to go to Jamestown or not get the help I needed until I was back on my feet. I found a way to get there. Amazing how people find a way to get to the malls to shop or get to the airport for the flight back to their "home" country (or southern state) with no issues. Expand the CARTS hours and number of runs--more jobs. There is also already a regular coach bus that goes from Jamestown to Buffalo and back with stops in Dunkirk and Fredonia a couple times of day as well. I am not anti social services and have used the programs briefly before--as the working poor. But the system was not working before the fire, so why keep doing what isn't working?!

Again, well said and w/ some very good suggestions. I liked the part about finding a way to do the things you "really want to do".....ie, the airport situation and the trip back "home"...wink wink!!

[Prudence]

Working Poor, eh? Well I guess that's what we are and we don't collect any welfare check. I work two jobs and my husband also works two jobs. We have two older cars and just one TV. I shop carefully and we don't spend money on things we cannot afford. We don't have money for plane tickets either. Our only toy is a second hand computer and a ping pong table. Maybe some of these working poor people need some lessons in manageing there money instead of getting more money. I see them shopping so I know first hand. Only ones I feel sorry for are the old ones who are struggling - to the young, get a job. and to the young girls, get on birth control.

[Woody]

Did any one of you read what No Name Necessary had to say?

[Just Wondering]

Prudence wrote:

Working Poor, eh? Well I guess that's what we are and we don't collect any welfare check. I work two jobs and my husband also works two jobs. We have two older cars and just one TV. I shop carefully and we don't spend money on things we cannot afford. We don't have money for plane tickets either. Our only toy is a second hand computer and a ping pong table. Maybe some of these working poor people need some lessons in manageing there money instead of getting more money. I see them shopping so I know first hand. Only ones I feel sorry for are the old ones who are struggling - to the young, get a job. and to the young girls, get on birth control.

Great Post...God bless you and I wish you the best and hopefully a little good luck to come your way.

[No name necessary]

You recertify face-to-face twice a year for cash assistance. I agree that one office is enough IF the office is big enough to accomodate all the employees. Mayville would never want the clientelle in their pristine palace. Jamestown makes sense b/c that is where the largest population in the county is located. Having 14 sattelite offices (as proposed) is insane at best.

[Mr Drunkirk]

In case those wanting to see a Dunkirk office to reopen hadn't noticed times are tough for even us working people. Taxes in Chautauqua county are some of the highest in the United States, there should be cuts not expansion of services. Our NYS leaders(?) have given the residents the best benefits in all of the United States thanks to taxpayers like myself.

As for Social service recipients having to travel all the way to Jamestown and have to wait to be talked to and return home...oh you poor babies.It's not like you have to do this daily like someone with a real job. Welcome to the real world.

If you can't travel to Jamestown to get your freebies maybe you should get on a bus and move away.

The workers that have to travel all that way to Jamestown also welcome to the real world. I work with people that travel that far to work and even farther 5 to 7 days a week for 20+ years.

If you don't like your job or change no one is forcing you to stay on that job.

I am tried of being one of the many that have done all they could to do the correct things in life.

I have graduated from high school and college, never been in trouble with the law, always have been responsible, have a great job with excellent attendance, paid all my bills on time, saved for retirement, saved and bought a house etc.

But it seems like I am (along with plenty of others) always having to pay out for people who have NEVER done anything correctly and are benefiting for it.

Why reward those who constantly make the wrong choices in life and expect to reap the benefits.

Why should those who don't even try to help themselves get helped at all? We have all seen families of freeloaders collect benefits for generations.

I am just getting sick and tired of all these freeloaders, not to mention elected politicians who never vote for the interests of those that elected them.

I have had enough.

[No name necessary]

Well, Mr Drunkirk, if you've had enough, move to another state where there is almost no welfare system AND lower taxes. You can bitch and complain but you aren't changing anything at all ... You are literally just wasting your time and energy. Put forth the effort to make a change, move out of the state, or just let it go. Continuously bitching isn't helping anyone, and you are going to give yourself a heart attack or stroke.

[PainfulTruth]

Hey, it's not my fault these fat welfare mammas decided to drop out of high school and get knocked up three times by three different bothers.
I don't mind helping people who help themselves, but this crap is getting ridiculous. These welfare mammas get food stamps, HEAP supplements, free education...you name it...and all the while the brother who knocked 'em up is living in their apartment and dealing drugs on the side.
Can't wait for the government titty to dry up.

[Get Real]

It's bad enough we have to support these low life SOB's.... do we have to actually watch it too? I think one office...far from Dunkirk which already has enough problems as it is...is a great idea. Let the freeloaders find a way to get to the welfare office any way they can...hell, make em go once a week...and if they can't make it there...too bad. What else do they have to do anyways??? Sit around and do nothing? Better yet, make them do something every damn day the way us working people have to do to support their lazy asses. Make the parents of these teenage moms support them the way they are supposed to....instead of sticking it to the taxpayers the way they are doing now. Set a minimum age limit to collect benefits so the parents HAVE to support the kids...and to hell with giving benefits to men under the age of 21...let em get a stinking job....then, if they are working and still need help, help them. STOP enabling these lazy, generation after generation bunch of freeloading, welfare-collecting low-lifes and start taking the average taxpayer into consideration for a change. Damn, I'm tired of being the sole support for these dead beat F***ing people!

[Mr Drunkirk]

No name necessary wrote:

Well, Mr Drunkirk, if you've had enough, move to another state where there is almost no welfare system AND lower taxes.

No way do I move.

If I move THEY win !