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#1
Jun 6, 2012
 
I hope you all enjoyed your letters, if you think for 1 minute your taxes are going down YOUR WRONG! Another political game THEY are playing to make you think Mr. H is doing something, he is... that is spending money for his own personal pleasure. And if you are fooled by any of the board members your are a complete idiot! Just wait till you get you tax bill! YOU WILL SEE
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Gloversville, NY

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#2
Jun 7, 2012
 
Please explain.....
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Central Square, NY

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#3
Jun 7, 2012
 
What letters, what is this about?
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Gloversville, NY

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#4
Jun 10, 2012
 
I see in the weekly adirondack this week that Mr Hasenuer has a message , I think the message is clear that he is out of touch with the people in the town , he hears what he wants to hear , I have been at every board meeting for the last 5 months , I heard proposal one would be about $ 450,000 and proposal two would be $711,00 , and also where was the $200,000 the town was going to put up for the tiger grant going to come from , no tax increase ? he wants to use Spectra for the project WHY , I guess you have to ask him....
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Syracuse, NY

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#5
Jun 11, 2012
 
Lets suck it up. Take the lowest bridge cost and face the fact there is no grant money and the tax payers will build a one lane (as it was) bridge.
the convenience and the need are there and it really isn't going to increase anyones individual taxes dramatically. In the big picture and compared to other Towns our taxes are still lower. Still too much but still better than Remsen, Holland Patent etc.
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Oswego, NY

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#6
Jun 11, 2012
 
Closer, that is a good post. I am sure someone can work up a cost factor for a community project. You seemed to catch the feelings of those of us who care.
It is worth the try, and again, we do not need a two lane bridge sincethat ups the costs.
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Oswego, NY

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#8
Jun 11, 2012
 
Happy to see information on the Twin Bridges still forthcoming. Thank you Mr. Snead for keeping your focus.
When researching data myself, I find the need to question the writing of the TIGER grant and the factual data that went with that submission since from that time, WE the Taxpayers were already committing to upwards of NOT LESS THAN $200,000. towards the cost. I would like to see an article from Mr.Hasenauer including the meeting that this committment took place, who voted for or against approving this setting aside and the approval of the earmarking that $200.000. of taxpayers money exclusively for that purpose. I would like to know also, who put forth the motion, who voted for or against that committment and who the grantswriter was on that submission.
Or, was that just smoke and mirrors written in this submission for Tiger Funds to make it look like the community was on board with this FALSE STATEMENT, if in fact it existed at all from the get-go.
That should be public info. since those funds have already been earmaked or awarded from that prior submission.
THIS COULD OPEN UP A BIG CAN OF WORMS HERE.

WE SHOULD SERIOUSLY QUESTION THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT GRANT SUBMISSION AND THE PROOF OF COMMITMENT BY THE BOARD MEMBERS OF FUNDS CONTAINED IN THE TIGER GRANT SUBMISSION. Who was the grantswriter for that submission and what were they paid ?? Also, I think it is MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW to see the minutes that validate that commitment. No wonder the Town attorney jumped in!!! It was rather late I think.

Maybe it is time for an after the fact SPRING CLEANING of Town Hall?? Is an investigation of this warranted? We all have the right to that information and now it is time to search.
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Oswego, NY

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#9
Jun 11, 2012
 
Ya think maybe the Town Board was thinking of imposing a toll booth for vehicles and sleds to cross the twins when and if they were made safe? Without committing tax dollars in secret as it appears at this point, where would the funds come from?
That would make about as much sense as the statements and updated information lacking and/or not hearing from our officials.
Sounds to me like a deal was in the making. I really would hate to think someone had already made a deal and committed the taxpayers without our knowing it. How could one find that data?
MINUTES

Oswego, NY

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#10
Jun 11, 2012
 
there is a need to see those minutes where the $200,.000 was voted to be part of the grant proposal. Could that be A COMMITTMENT to the project?
I think it is time to call for an investigation into the manipulations as it appears to be, and the committment of our tax dollars without the taxpayers being on board that project at the very git-go.
Were proposals for CONTRACTORS, AND COST ESTIMATES done before any documents were made final?
This could open a BIG can of worms if these things were not done, or worse, not done with proper authority and advertisement. How many other bridge contractors bid on the job? Was Spectra the only one??
There are even more and more questons surfacing here. Those letters must have riled a few people.
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Oswego, NY

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#13
Jun 11, 2012
 
Mr. Snead, perhaps you can be so kind as to post a link directly to the TIGER FUNDS along with the grant submission, if you have it, so we can all see what we were committing to? If not, do you know if it is available at the Town Clerk's office? I read the requirements for submission, and that no funds were required to accompany the application, thus no record of any of that is in the financial reports, but one would think the submission for the funding, and the author of that submission should be available NOW to all of us.
Thank you for your effort in keeping us informed. We all really need to keep involved here. This isn't over by a long shot.
I was there

Whitesboro, NY

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#14
Jun 11, 2012
 
They also finalized the deal to charge $5 admission at the barn fest and put some of that money towards it.
Surely you jest

Utica, NY

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#15
Jun 12, 2012
 
Surely the Barn Fest has no connection with the Bridges here, OR DOES IT.
Could that have been done by our County Legislator from Remsen? Is the County involved with this grant in some way?
Is Spectra involved in County Construction, or are they in the loop perhaps?
How many companies requested bids on the bridges, was it advertised, if so, I would like to know who ALL the bidders were and what they submitted as estimates for the bridges.
To make our bridges two lanes only added to the cost of the project. We don't need two lane bridges, and I find it hard to believe that was the only basis for the availability of a grant for this project.

Something smells here. Maybe we should all take a look in Town Hall.....the problems may be right there. If there is no problem, then no one should be the least upset about anyone asking questions.
Committed our Tax Dollars

Utica, NY

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#16
Jun 12, 2012
 
Bill H knows that the votes are there to build the one lane bridge and is willing to try to fight against his own board's wishes and against the wishes of the majority ( I believe) of the towns people. The proof is in the newspaper add he ran last week were he misrepresents the facts and spins the property tax issue. LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT A TAX INCREASE.... He added a third option to continue to look for grants. In the 2011 Tiger grant application by the town for a grant for the twin bridges, it states on page 7 that the town will contribute NO LESS THAN $200,000.00 toward the project.
Committed our Tax Dollars

Utica, NY

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#17
Jun 12, 2012
 
How did the TOWN ATTORNEY MISS THAT ONE???
Committment of our tax dollars without OUR knowledge?
Yet HE was adamant that Mr. Seager could not put a motion before the board!!

If the grantsperson put that into the proposal for the TIGER GRANT, where was that approved by the Board, or was it just a false statement to be considered for the funds?

This is a mess if you care to look through data that is available to all taxpayers. That is if you want to find the truth in this matter, you will only find it in papers that were already signed, sealed and delivered, showing the Town Board's committment to spend our tax dollars for a questionable activity that was not brought to a vote and approved. No one can commit to setting aide or committing to spending our tax dollars without the data to back it up. I would want to see that set-aside in the minutes from that date. That information is what is needed to bring charges against someone if it is possible.
Investigate Perhaps

Utica, NY

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#18
Jun 12, 2012
 
Do you think it is time to get someone from outside to investigate this situation?
There is a time limit and the clock is ticking.
How much more time do we have to resolve this before the TOWN CAN NOT LEGALLY DO ANYTHING?
Someone said 5 years.....if that is so, when did the clock start ticking?
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Oswego, NY

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#19
Jun 13, 2012
 
Someone mentioned there was $60,000. already paid by the Town to Spectra Engineering re: the problem with the twin bridges. Where can one find that data, and when did that take place? Did it have to be in the form of a motion by the board to expend those funds, and for what purpose were they to be used? WERE BID DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR THIS ACTION?

It would seem there is a great deal of uproar about ANY information on Spectra Engineering such as bid documents, etc. etc.

I also resent Mr Hasenauer's publicity recently in the Adirondack News, etc.
NEED YOU BE REMINDED MR. HASENAUER, YOU ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT ALL THE PEOPLE OF FORESTPORT, NOT SPECIAL INTERESTS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE.I found your news article to be offensive TO SAY THE LEAST.
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#20
Jun 13, 2012
 
When wrote:
Someone mentioned there was $60,000. already paid by the Town to Spectra Engineering re: the problem with the twin bridges. Where can one find that data, and when did that take place? Did it have to be in the form of a motion by the board to expend those funds, and for what purpose were they to be used? WERE BID DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR THIS ACTION?
It would seem there is a great deal of uproar about ANY information on Spectra Engineering such as bid documents, etc. etc.
I also resent Mr Hasenauer's publicity recently in the Adirondack News, etc.
NEED YOU BE REMINDED MR. HASENAUER, YOU ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT ALL THE PEOPLE OF FORESTPORT, NOT SPECIAL INTERESTS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE.I found your news article to be offensive TO SAY THE LEAST.


I was at the meetings where getting the bridge ready to be shovel ready which was what the gov was asking for at the time. It was discussed in front of the people that were there and voted on by the board.
What vote

Oswego, NY

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#22
Jun 13, 2012
 
What vote was that? How was that worded? Who was the engineering firm included in that vote? I don't believe this is totally correct. Shovel ready is not the stage for the twin bridges at this point.
That is only when the community has approved the planning,, approved the cost, and the board has to state the particulars of the contract and when the engineering firm has been officially hired...

Someone jumping the gun here?
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Oswego, NY

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#26
Jun 14, 2012
 
Think someone DID jump the gun.......and guess who?
Time for opening this can of worms WIDE OPEN
Is we is or is we not

Oswego, NY

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#27
Jun 14, 2012
 
Was Bob Seager's motion finalized and approved???
What is the status of that motion?

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