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Christian conference message mobilizes gay-rights groups

There are 117 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Jul 13, 2008, titled Christian conference message mobilizes gay-rights groups. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Comments on Topix forums : Jaye Thomas walked away from what he calls "a life of secret homosexuality." Today he lives his life as a heterosexual man, an accomplishment for which he gives much credit to Exodus ...

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billware

United States

#1 Jul 14, 2008
There's no such thing as the "gay lifestyle." This is a concoction of those who oppose equal rights for gays by perpetuating the myth the gays live lives that are radically different than straights.

The truth is that gays live the same wide varieties of life styles that straights do. In either case, some go to bars looking for a date. Others settle down with their one true love and raise a family in the suburbs.

By promoting marriage for both gays and straights, we would have more of the latter, rather than the former, which would be good for the couples involved, their families and the community in general.
earthtrekker

Bakersfield, CA

#2 Jul 14, 2008
Homosex practitioners were not born that way. They are not genetically disposed to it. This is a myth established by long repetition.

Since: Mar 08

Asheville NC

#3 Jul 14, 2008
I lived a "straight" lifestyle for 40 years because that is what we are "supposed" to do.I married.(now divorced)had 2 children, now 4 grandchildren which I adore. I can't say I was unhappy but I wasn't being honest with myself. I was very restless and stressed even not knowing at times why I was feeling like this. Then I accepted to myself that I was GAY! What a relief for me.. I came out to family and friends and it didn't matter to them.... what more of releif! I'm still the same person I always was except for now no load on my shoulders. I feel FREE! Now in a very loving relationship with my partner of 4 years and living a wonderfull life at home, with "our" church and this wonderful mountain community.
Gay and Proud

Charlotte, NC

#4 Jul 14, 2008
I encourage any straight people struggling to escape their immoral "lifestyle" to break free and come out as healthy gay people! How stupid this all is. It's great how these folks are such experts on us. Gay "lifestyles" are just heterogeneous as straights! They just need to get their own lives and leave us alone.

Since: Dec 07

Asheville

#5 Jul 14, 2008
Gay and Proud wrote:
I encourage any straight people struggling to escape their immoral "lifestyle" to break free and come out as healthy gay people! How stupid this all is. It's great how these folks are such experts on us. Gay "lifestyles" are just heterogeneous as straights! They just need to get their own lives and leave us alone.
Here's something I don't get, Gay and Proud. What's with the "Gay and Proud"? I have no beef with gay people. Live and let live. But I don't get the "Gay and Proud". I am "Straight and Proud" and "Human and Proud". You get my point. What's the deal with that?

“8 year nightmare is over”

Since: Apr 07

Denver, NC

#6 Jul 14, 2008
earthtrekker wrote:
Homosex practitioners were not born that way. They are not genetically disposed to it. This is a myth established by long repetition.
You come by your utter stupidity naturally don't you?

“Like any other man,but more so”

Since: Sep 07

Cimmeria

#7 Jul 14, 2008
I don't understand why the gay community feels so threatened by a few gay people who don't want to live that life. If they feel they need help and don't want to live life as a gay person shouldn't there be help for them to accomplish this? The simple FACT that some gay people have changed should be proof enough that some gay folks don't want to live this way, and want help. Should they be denied?
susan boyer

Blackstock, SC

#8 Jul 14, 2008
Ah, the daily dose of gayness from the AC-T. Interesting how they quote a pastor from only one church, one of the most liberal, of course. Where's the quote from a Baptist minister? Baptist churches probably outnumber Congregational ones by 100 to 1. Also interesting how defensive (and even hostile) some become when a gay person is able to overcome that lifestyle and how revealing. This site often exposes that hostility.) By the way, I think God probably cares more about our behavior than he does our "identity". Fortunately, San Francisco Annex is a small part of western North Carolina and to most area residents it's liberalness is irrelevant.
Gay and Proud

Charlotte, NC

#9 Jul 14, 2008
The point being that no reputable medical association condones "ex-gay therapy" Oh but they are all "liberal" right? The point about being gay and proud is the result of homophobic attitudes about the "lifestyle". Once again for people like Susan,damnskippy,and Lake who can't understand...there is no "gay lifestyle" anymore than a "straight lifestyle". My being homosexual is not anymore changeable than you being heterosexual is changeable. And the hatefulness on this board is led by "christians" like them you can't overcome their homophobia to understand this.
Gay and Proud

Charlotte, NC

#10 Jul 14, 2008
Then there is the phobe obsession over sex. Hey straight people have nonprocreative sex in all positions too!
Wondering

Auburn, AL

#11 Jul 14, 2008
What is the protocol when things are going fast and furious, and you get a whiff of yesterday's cheeseburger?

“Like any other man,but more so”

Since: Sep 07

Cimmeria

#12 Jul 14, 2008
Gay and Proud wrote:
The point being that no reputable medical association condones "ex-gay therapy" Oh but they are all "liberal" right? The point about being gay and proud is the result of homophobic attitudes about the "lifestyle". Once again for people like Susan,damnskippy,and Lake who can't understand...there is no "gay lifestyle" anymore than a "straight lifestyle". My being homosexual is not anymore changeable than you being heterosexual is changeable. And the hatefulness on this board is led by "christians" like them you can't overcome their homophobia to understand this.
Where did I ever call it a "lifestyle"? You are a sex driven, politically motivated biggot that thinks because I support those who wish to live a heterosexual life that I'm a hateful person not worthy to breathe the same air as you. All I was saying is that If someone feels they need help, why should you stand in their way? No one is forcing anything on them, they made this decision on their own. Why are you so scared of a few gay people who want something that they feel is better for themselves? You are a part of the very problem you wish to eradicate.To deny that some have changed their sexual behavior and hide behind a doctor's coat tail is cowardice and assinine. Faith can play a big part in it whether you are loving enough to accept it or not.

Since: Feb 07

Asheville

#13 Jul 14, 2008
earthtrekker wrote:
Homosex practitioners were not born that way. They are not genetically disposed to it. This is a myth established by long repetition.
The myth is that being gay is a choice.
Kudos

Auburn, AL

#14 Jul 14, 2008
damskippy wrote:
<quoted text>Where did I ever call it a "lifestyle"? You are a sex driven, politically motivated biggot that thinks because I support those who wish to live a heterosexual life that I'm a hateful person not worthy to breathe the same air as you. All I was saying is that If someone feels they need help, why should you stand in their way? No one is forcing anything on them, they made this decision on their own. Why are you so scared of a few gay people who want something that they feel is better for themselves? You are a part of the very problem you wish to eradicate.To deny that some have changed their sexual behavior and hide behind a doctor's coat tail is cowardice and assinine. Faith can play a big part in it whether you are loving enough to accept it or not.
Your position is thoughtful, reasonable, and logical. You, however, have failed to abide by the defined limits of gay behavior. Tolerance is great, unless you are tolerating a concept/position that is at odds with the gay ideology.

Since: Feb 07

Asheville

#15 Jul 14, 2008
Lake28804 wrote:
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Here's something I don't get, Gay and Proud. What's with the "Gay and Proud"? I have no beef with gay people. Live and let live. But I don't get the "Gay and Proud". I am "Straight and Proud" and "Human and Proud". You get my point. What's the deal with that?
It comes from years of people telling gay folks to be ashamed of what they were. Straight people never have to deal with that. It's a reaction. maybe one of these days folks will move beyond all that, but so long as there are people promoting shame against simply being who you are, it's going to be a while.

Since: Feb 07

Asheville

#16 Jul 14, 2008
damskippy wrote:
I don't understand why the gay community feels so threatened by a few gay people who don't want to live that life. If they feel they need help and don't want to live life as a gay person shouldn't there be help for them to accomplish this? The simple FACT that some gay people have changed should be proof enough that some gay folks don't want to live this way, and want help. Should they be denied?
Most of the gays who have "changed" may have never really been gay to begin with. Most tell of being "confused" or seeking love and approval from anyone. Most of the gay folks I know were pretty certain of who they were attracted to, even if they tried to deny it.
Pro Choice

Auburn, AL

#17 Jul 14, 2008
You have a choice: Engage in sex with a same-gender partner or don't. Desiring homo sex and engaging in the act are unique states of being.

Would you say men who are attracted to and have sex with a 15 y.o. girl don't have a choice. Of course they do. The 15 y.o. may be attractive, look like an adult, but it is immoral (and in this case illegal) to actually engage in sex with the person.

We have a choice when it comes to our actions. Quit being so simple minded. Accept the consequences of your actions.

Since: Feb 07

Asheville

#18 Jul 14, 2008
susan boyer wrote:
Ah, the daily dose of gayness from the AC-T. Interesting how they quote a pastor from only one church, one of the most liberal, of course. Where's the quote from a Baptist minister? Baptist churches probably outnumber Congregational ones by 100 to 1. Also interesting how defensive (and even hostile) some become when a gay person is able to overcome that lifestyle and how revealing. This site often exposes that hostility.) By the way, I think God probably cares more about our behavior than he does our "identity". Fortunately, San Francisco Annex is a small part of western North Carolina and to most area residents it's liberalness is irrelevant.
Ah, the regular dose of anti-gay vitriol from Susan Boyer. Maybe the pastor was chosen because folks already know what the right wing pastors are likely to say.(Maybe next time they'll get Shirley Phelps-Roper, and that will satisfy Susan's crowd...)

It's just as interesting to see how defensive and hostile the anti-gay crowd can be, and that gets revealed here pretty regularly too.

“Like any other man,but more so”

Since: Sep 07

Cimmeria

#19 Jul 14, 2008
Jessica B wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the gays who have "changed" may have never really been gay to begin with. Most tell of being "confused" or seeking love and approval from anyone. Most of the gay folks I know were pretty certain of who they were attracted to, even if they tried to deny it.
You say "Most". I don't deal in absolutes J.B., and from our discussions in the past I don't believe you do either. Why is it that it is acceptable in the gay community to live the life of a straight person, ie. married with children, and then one day you realize you're gay, but not vica-versa? I'm not being disrespectful of you, I think you know that, but it seems there is a certain double standard within the gay community when it comes to this. I know a person who was indeed gay for years, she didn't "think" she was, she WAS. then one day she fell under a "conviction" as she put it and through faith is now (Last I heard) a very well adjusted mother and wife. I'm not suggesting all gay people can change who they are, but to declare, as "gay and proud" did that it cannot be done is plain stupid.
susan boyer

Blackstock, SC

#20 Jul 14, 2008
Jessica B wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, the regular dose of anti-gay vitriol from Susan Boyer. Maybe the pastor was chosen because folks already know what the right wing pastors are likely to say.(Maybe next time they'll get Shirley Phelps-Roper, and that will satisfy Susan's crowd...)
It's just as interesting to see how defensive and hostile the anti-gay crowd can be, and that gets revealed here pretty regularly too.
So, the journalistic standard is to quote one point of view and ignore the other because folks already know what he/she would say? Maybe that guideline is why so many newspapers are failing. I don't believe anything I said was hostile or defensive unless you believe expressing a contrary opinion is representative of that. In fact, I detect more of that in your response.

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