Wal-Mart, school district push Promenade plans into March

[Hussie]

Mayor Mark wrote:

You ignored the fact that all your complaints are a result of your area NOT BEING IN FONTANA! So if you want the graffiti removed and the roads improved, support annexation and it will happen. Otherwise, forward your complaints to the county supervisor who represents your area and get it cleaned up. Otherwise folks driving by your area will continue to think we are neglecting Fontana. Also, you need to visit our facilities throughout town and not simply focus on one building ... and have you actually visited the library? A massive eyesore?? Are you kidding me?? Well, if you think that's an eyesore, then there is nothing we will ever do to make you happy...

Well, you're sorely mistaken...I live IN Fontana, and drive the very streets you claim to be so "clean" everyday...I've visited the "facilities" in town, and am still not impressed...Most cater to Hispanics, along with much of the entire city, and those of us who aren't Hispanic are growing increasingly frustrated by the lack of concern being shown towards us and ours...This IS NOT Mexico, although one could not tell that by driving through Fontana these days...
As far as the graffiti is concerned, drive around the city, and take a look at what the locals are really doing...They're not complimenting it with "art", they're trashing it further...
When was the last time you actually drove around the city?...Have you even been here at night, on those very streets you tout as "safe"?...
My guess is no, you haven't been in Fontana at night...If you had, you'd surely have seen the prostitutes hanging out by the Pixie Market, the drug dealers marking their territory with shoes on the power lines, the "Tweekers" lurking in the parking lots begging for money, etc...This does not reflect a safe, enjoyable city...
As far as the library, it's a band aid on a gaping wound...Sure, it offers opportunities that many would not readily have, but then what?...It isn't creating jobs, which is the major problem this city has...No jobs...

[Hussie]

I almost forgot, Mayor Mark, why are the churches being "forced" out?...
First Baptist of Fontana, wanting to sell the entire property to a Mexican Church, because according to the Pastor, "There aren't any English speaking people in the surrounding area" (Randall & Palmetto)...What about the many other churches who are facing the same dillema?...Is that what they get for spreading the gospel?...
Funny though, most of the rhetoric sounds as though it was drafted by you...Word for word...
Is your "vison" to segregate the city by race?...Or are you simply another "eliteist"?...

[Mayor Mark]

Perhaps you need to take your immigration battle to Washington DC or the border where it belongs. If you had bothered to listen to any of my recent state of the city addresses, you would have heard me referring to the divide the exists and our need to tear down those walls (language) that segregate our community -- putting in place programming to assist residents who want to learn english the opportunity to do just that. Take a drive to FoHI some night and look at the classes filled with ELL residents who are learning the language and taking civics classes to become part of our community. But instead you're too busy taking pot shots at everyone and not doing a thing but attacking ethnicity.

As for First Baptist being "forced out" ... from my discussions with their pastor, they are taking the proceeds from their sale (which are considerable due to the increased value in Fontana) and rebuilding in Fontana ... So keep taking your pot shots and attacks ... they are entertaining to read especially when they are based upon ignorant assumptions about the type of person I am.

Lastly, "No Jobs"? Really? We have an ever increasing employment base ... and once again, if you bothered to listen to our state of the city addresses, you would see we are focusing the I-15 corridor on employment development, we are investing hundreds of millions along the I-10 to improve access to future employment there, and we continue to make investments all throughout town ... not single band-aids as you put it.

[John Lyons RC]

Hussie wrote:

To all the people from Rancho;
How long do you think it will be before the invaders take over your City?...They're already right at the edge of it, and they keep moving closer...
You should be screaming at your Local Government to become more involved with helping your neighbors, instead of sitting back and allowing them to ignore what's going on in your back yard...
Not everyone in Fontana asked for the City to be handed over to ILLEGALS...But, we aren't bitching at residents of other Cities to fix it either...

You have to look at the Demographic. They are different. We have way more apartments than you City we have our police work with the owner the DA evicts when they are involved in criminal element. We have the Sheriff Dept is the Rancho Cucamonga Police. They do a good job shaping there contract to meets the needs of our City. Many times you will see RC Police at the Fontana border. RC has more Parks than any of the surrounding Cities we have one of the largest after school programs it called sports. Our City has deals with School Dist to use there fields and we still need more space. We are an after Prop 13 City. we have less tax base. We have had the same City manager for over 20 years his team has done an excelent job running the City.

[Columbia_MO]

You all cryin' for a wal-mart talking about low prices. LOL Were I live we have 3 super wal-marts. I can go to a local grocer and get better cuts of meat for better prices. Oh sure some things are cheaper If you want to by wal-mart brand or other off brands of food they are called great value here. even the milk is cheaper at the local grocers. We have around 10 local or regional grocers I prefer to support the local stores. Be careful what you wish for. Wal-mart is great for causing small business's to close. our wal-marts have mc D's and subways in them. get your hair cut get eye glasses get your med's. Like I said they will hurt other business's. but hey I live in the mid west. we even have part of the wal-mart family that lives in this town. We in the mid-west have learned wal-mart isn't always the best price. Shop carefully.

[Hussie]

And I'm taking pot shots...
Well, I'm taking my LOCAL immigration battle to you, the Mayor...It is my right, as a citizen, to express my concerns...In all actuality, I had the gumption to address what many consider to be a "touchy" subject, since it's not "Politically Correct" to call a spade a spade nowdays...What, exactly, is your position on the issue?...Are you really content in seeing the entire city being transformed into a refuge for ILLEGALS?...From all appearances, that is what it's becoming...Not a "racist" statement, simply a fact...
Second, that is the position of the Pastor of the church, but you didn't say that they, too, are moving north (North Winds)...Away from the congregation that has supported the church for decades...How fair is that to those members?...What about the Senior Citizens who don't care to drive so far?...Or the folks who are struggling to get gas to go to work, and can't afford the extra drive?...Guess they're on their own...I wonder what God would say about that...Hmmm...
Finally, I am FULLY aware of the current lack of employment opportunities in Fontana...How, you ask?...I am involved...I see, and talk to, the people from the local GAIN office, as well as many from EDD...I receive daily updates on employment in the area, and sorry to tell you, it's rather bleak...I don't know anyone who can afford to live on the low wages, or the part-time hours being offered in Fontana...Many rely on the bus system, a completely unreliable joke in itself...Do you have any involvement with Omnitrans?...They sure don't listen to their customers, even though they charge outragoeus fares...When one has to get from Valley & Slover to the north corridor, they would never arrive on time due to lack of reliable service...So the jobs up there only benefit those in the direct area, unless they have transportation...
As for the I-10 corridor, why won't you be honest with voters, and tell them the plans for the Transportation Hub?...The one that will increase truck, and rail traffic, and only provide jobs in the affiliated industries?...No prize shopping, maybe a few more fast food joints, and that's about it...Or have those plans changed too?...

You see, we could sit here and have a pissing match for days...Would it be constructive?...Probably not...But, I have no problem voicing my concerns about Fontana, and what it's become...30 years ago, things were very different...Sure, things have to change, but shouldn't the "People" be included?...All of us?...

[John Lyons RC]

Our sheriff holds them for INS in the jail. He was the first sheriff in the Country to do this. His program is catching on. While no active stand can be taken on this issue by local government there is a move under way in the whole county by ICE.

[Happy Shopper]

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[Hussie]

"State and local law enforcement have an important role to play in federal immigration investigations. Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provides the legal authority for state and local enforcement to investigate, detain, and arrest aliens on civil and crimi­nal grounds. Any comprehensive border and immigration security legislation by Congress should include provisions for strengthen­ing and expanding programs authorized under §287(g)."

You see, Local Government does have power to act...They simply choose not to...

[John Lyons RC]

Local Government does not fund programs the State & Federal Government do. There is no money for this. They would have to reduce service some where else. Undocumented people cost the State 9 billion dollar this year. We had a short fall last years State budget 13 billion, this year 10 billion maybe more next year is 20 billion dollars. This is a result of failed Foreign Policy. I use to say if Washington DC want them they need to fund them. Today we do not have enough water electricity folk we can not keep them. The Federal Government needs to make plans to relocate these folks. Our Cities can not meet the State standards. SB County got suied by Jerry Brown. The Government is talking out of two sides of their mouth we are getting the bill.

[Hussie]

John Lyons RC wrote:

Local Government does not fund programs the State & Federal Government do. There is no money for this. They would have to reduce service some where else. Undocumented people cost the State 9 billion dollar this year. We had a short fall last years State budget 13 billion, this year 10 billion maybe more next year is 20 billion dollars. This is a result of failed Foreign Policy. I use to say if Washington DC want them they need to fund them. Today we do not have enough water electricity folk we can not keep them. The Federal Government needs to make plans to relocate these folks. Our Cities can not meet the State standards. SB County got suied by Jerry Brown. The Government is talking out of two sides of their mouth we are getting the bill.

The City of Fontana received a 116 million dollar grant for "Homeland Security"...Shouldn't they be using that to verify the legality of some of the residents?...Isn't that what "Homeland Security" is about?...Securing the Homeland?...

[John Lyons RC]

Hussie wrote:

<quoted text>The City of Fontana received a 116 million dollar grant for "Homeland Security"...Shouldn't they be using that to verify the legality of some of the residents?...Isn't that what "Homeland Security" is about?...Securing the Homeland?...

In RC we have a Homeland securiy office for emergency command. Why? Because we have possible targets of terrorists. Our Police & Fire are trained as first responders and they need special equipment & tranning that is what the money is for.

[Hussie]

The money is for whatever is needed to secure things in the particular area, prevent potential terror attacks, and guarantee the safety of the residents...
Fontana has one (1) hospital, and not near enough beds should something happen...I wonder how much of this grant is going into rebuilding Kaiser?...It still won't be enough of a hospital (500+ beds) to handle the aftermath of a major disaster/attack in the area...

Some of this grant could, and should, be earmarked for ILLEGAL immigration enforcement...Local government IS responsible as well...

[John Lyons RC]

Hussie wrote:

The money is for whatever is needed to secure things in the particular area, prevent potential terror attacks, and guarantee the safety of the residents...
Fontana has one (1) hospital, and not near enough beds should something happen...I wonder how much of this grant is going into rebuilding Kaiser?...It still won't be enough of a hospital (500+ beds) to handle the aftermath of a major disaster/attack in the area...
Some of this grant could, and should, be earmarked for ILLEGAL immigration enforcement...Local government IS responsible as well...

your talking about two different branches of the Federal Government. Homeland Security has nothing to do with the hospitals. Unless your insurance owns the Hospital you will not have one to go to. There is a new program they are putting P.A. in drug stores. As we go in to the recession that may be the only safety net for people who do not have insurance. I know you do not like wal-mart they are one of the few companies that can offer nation service. Our biggest threat here is the nuclear power plant. With prevaling winds we might have two hour to get out. There is a pill they have to give you if you have to ride it out. Why not ask your Mayor how they would get them to you. Or what is the plan? Children under 10 the pill does not work for them. if the expouser is serious they will die some of us older have a chance and may be ok.

[Hussie]

John Lyons RC wrote:

<quoted text> your talking about two different branches of the Federal Government. Homeland Security has nothing to do with the hospitals. Unless your insurance owns the Hospital you will not have one to go to. There is a new program they are putting P.A. in drug stores. As we go in to the recession that may be the only safety net for people who do not have insurance. I know you do not like wal-mart they are one of the few companies that can offer nation service. Our biggest threat here is the nuclear power plant. With prevaling winds we might have two hour to get out. There is a pill they have to give you if you have to ride it out. Why not ask your Mayor how they would get them to you. Or what is the plan? Children under 10 the pill does not work for them. if the expouser is serious they will die some of us older have a chance and may be ok.

Read back through my posts, I have nothing against Wal Mart...I have everything against the "Mayor" who refuses to accept the needs of his city, or what its become...

[John Lyons RC]

Hussie wrote:

<quoted text>Read back through my posts, I have nothing against Wal Mart...I have everything against the "Mayor" who refuses to accept the needs of his city, or what its become...

Mayor Mark has his hands full you have a new area that pays the bills you have an older well established area. Each have very different needs. Then you have a County area that the Mayor has no control over. After reading the Blog those people want nothing to do with the City.

[Hussie]

John Lyons RC wrote:

<quoted text> Mayor Mark has his hands full you have a new area that pays the bills you have an older well established area. Each have very different needs. Then you have a County area that the Mayor has no control over. After reading the Blog those people want nothing to do with the City.

But, where does that give anyone the right to discount the worth of the citizens who don't live up north, like the Mayor does?...
The fact remains that the problems in Fontana are indeed the responsibility of its leadership...No matter who they are...

[John Lyons RC]

Hussie wrote:

<quoted text>But, where does that give anyone the right to discount the worth of the citizens who don't live up north, like the Mayor does?...
The fact remains that the problems in Fontana are indeed the responsibility of its leadership...No matter who they are...

Interesting thing you bring up. I always try not to talk down to people because where they live or no money or home less. I can see the new residents not wanting to be part of the old. The question is how do you dress up the old and who is going to pay for it. The new resident are paying for it every month the old residents need to up grade. You may not like progess but it going to cost you money. The government is not going to pay for it. Developers built the new area and payed for it. If you want to bring the place up to the new standards it is going to cost you money.

[Hussie]

John Lyons RC wrote:

<quoted text>Interesting thing you bring up. I always try not to talk down to people because where they live or no money or home less. I can see the new residents not wanting to be part of the old. The question is how do you dress up the old and who is going to pay for it. The new resident are paying for it every month the old residents need to up grade. You may not like progess but it going to cost you money. The government is not going to pay for it. Developers built the new area and payed for it. If you want to bring the place up to the new standards it is going to cost you money.

As far as us "old" residents are concerned, we've been paying for it for years...Before the North End was even built, yet look at the rest of the city...It has been ignored to the point that many areas are unrecognizeable ghettos...And, believe it or not, not "all" of us had something to do with that...We're just forced to accept the conditions...
Don't think it isn't effecting the North End either...How many foreclosed homes are up there already?...Quite a few, and it isn't going to get better anytime soon...Why?...Because, in an effort to salvage the area, the same folks who've trashed this end will be moving right on up...They already are...
The Mayor owes it to ALL of the residents to quit ignoring the issues facing the WHOLE community, not just the North End...

[John Lyons RC]

Hussie wrote:

<quoted text>As far as us "old" residents are concerned, we've been paying for it for years...Before the North End was even built, yet look at the rest of the city...It has been ignored to the point that many areas are unrecognizeable ghettos...And, believe it or not, not "all" of us had something to do with that...We're just forced to accept the conditions...
Don't think it isn't effecting the North End either...How many foreclosed homes are up there already?...Quite a few, and it isn't going to get better anytime soon...Why?...Because, in an effort to salvage the area, the same folks who've trashed this end will be moving right on up...They already are...
The Mayor owes it to ALL of the residents to quit ignoring the issues facing the WHOLE community, not just the North End...

You make it sound like the City is going to give you something. It does not work that way you or who ever wants it done has to pay for it.