Federal Immigration Policy Hits Alabama Hard

Jun 18, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Local 15

A shift in the immigration policy from the White House, allowing the children of illegal immigrants to stay in this country got a warm welcome from some folks in the Foley area.

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freebird

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<quoted text>Less than minimum wage would mean we'd have to pay higher taxes for their HUD housing, food stamps and health care. No thank you!
The morons never take those costs that you just brought up into account. That's why all the governments are broke. We spend so much more money on the illegals and their anchors. It's crazy, but the government wants it's citizens to rely on them more and more, because it gives them more power.
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No one owed me anything I was just pointing out previous blue collar jobs lost to illegals. Fair market works for labor and it is not fair to lower wages illegally. Also illegals do not save most Americans a dime they cost us money in schools, public assistance and health care costs. They only save the scumbags who employ them money.
Yep, and then complain that they are paying most of the taxes. LOL!!! Pay me a decent wage and I can pay my own taxes.
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"By the same token, you as an employer or buyer have no right to violate the laws of this country, just to avoid paying what the labor market will bear."
That's the beauty of out-sourcing overseas. Workers there are willing to work for less and produce cheaper products and at the same time are not violating any of our laws. Rather than sending jobs overseas, we ought to give visas to foreigners who are willing to work for less than our minimum wage and let them make products in this Country. This would save shipping and bring down the cost even more and we would not be sending dollars to foreign countries for these products.
Instead with the support of fools like you who vote for those who promise them more entitlements paid for by those of us who work we do both. Export jobs while importing cheap labor. Then to add to the problem criminals are welcomed to enter illegally and steal what is left while producing generations of welfare leaches. Sooner than later the few of us who work will no longer be able to support you and your fellow leaches. Then what will you do?
Free is free

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Wow. That's akin to saying "Let's import all order of lawless desperadoes who will work for peanuts and turn our country into a hellhole.", in the name of competition. The idea here is that we have a standard of living that's higher than undeveloped nations and we're *willing to pay to maintain it*.

As has already been observed, if you want an imported workforce, feel free to use the H2A program - and bear *all* the costs of your 'superior' workforce.
Give Me a Break wrote:
"By the same token, you as an employer or buyer have no right to violate the laws of this country, just to avoid paying what the labor market will bear."
That's the beauty of out-sourcing overseas. Workers there are willing to work for less and produce cheaper products and at the same time are not violating any of our laws. Rather than sending jobs overseas, we ought to give visas to foreigners who are willing to work for less than our minimum wage and let them make products in this Country. This would save shipping and bring down the cost even more and we would not be sending dollars to foreign countries for these products.
Give Me a Break

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"The idea here is that we have a standard of living that's higher than undeveloped nations and we're *willing to pay to maintain it*."

No, the idea here is that we are not producing anything because the rest of the world is producing things cheaper. Even if we were willing to pay more for high cost American made products and services, just how long would it be that we run out of money? Capitalism is based on competition and not charity. We either meet the production costs of other countries or we lose out. Yes, it would be great if we could pay everyone $100/hour and have a good standard of living but when the rest of the world is just paying their workers a small percent of our wages to do the same thing, it is impossible to survive with that business plan.
freebird

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Give Me a Break wrote:
"The idea here is that we have a standard of living that's higher than undeveloped nations and we're *willing to pay to maintain it*."
No, the idea here is that we are not producing anything because the rest of the world is producing things cheaper. Even if we were willing to pay more for high cost American made products and services, just how long would it be that we run out of money? Capitalism is based on competition and not charity. We either meet the production costs of other countries or we lose out. Yes, it would be great if we could pay everyone $100/hour and have a good standard of living but when the rest of the world is just paying their workers a small percent of our wages to do the same thing, it is impossible to survive with that business plan.
That's why we used to put tariffs on products made elsewhere. If we are going to pay the wages of China, then we need the cost of things to be in line with China. Government workers should also be paid the same wage as they do in China.

See where this leads to?
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Give Me a Break wrote:
"The idea here is that we have a standard of living that's higher than undeveloped nations and we're *willing to pay to maintain it*."
No, the idea here is that we are not producing anything because the rest of the world is producing things cheaper. Even if we were willing to pay more for high cost American made products and services, just how long would it be that we run out of money? Capitalism is based on competition and not charity. We either meet the production costs of other countries or we lose out. Yes, it would be great if we could pay everyone $100/hour and have a good standard of living but when the rest of the world is just paying their workers a small percent of our wages to do the same thing, it is impossible to survive with that business plan.
Ok so management needs to be paid the same as thier Asian counterparts!!!
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HIFLYR wrote:
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Ok so management needs to be paid the same as thier Asian counterparts!!!
but, but, but....The dumbazzes just don't get it.
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Ok so management needs to be paid the same as thier Asian counterparts!!!
Yes, management is getting paid entirely too much--they are as much of the problem as the Unions.
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freebird wrote:
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That's why we used to put tariffs on products made elsewhere. If we are going to pay the wages of China, then we need the cost of things to be in line with China. Government workers should also be paid the same wage as they do in China.
See where this leads to?
If Korea or any other country puts a tariff on our products then we should put the same tariff on their products. No argument here from me.

Since: Apr 10

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Jul 15, 2012
 
"The order makes undocumented immigrants immune from deportation if they are under 30 and brought to the U.S. before they turn 16."

This is a temporary policy and when Obama leaves office these people will again start worrying.
Free is free

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Pure capitalism and the abuses it naturally incents are why there are import tariffs, why labor unions evolved (admittedly, they got greedy and outlived their existence), why minimum wages came about, etc.

If business owners and other "capitalism-at-all costs with no holds barred" would act responsibly, there would have been no need for the above in the first place. That they don't is why the Government steps in.

That said, there has to be a balance and striking that balance changes from time to time. An illegal, black-market workforce and the whole offshoring thing are just the latest tactics business is using to commoditize labor of all sorts. It'll come into check (witness AZ SB1070) when people have had enough.
Give Me a Break wrote:
"The idea here is that we have a standard of living that's higher than undeveloped nations and we're *willing to pay to maintain it*."
No, the idea here is that we are not producing anything because the rest of the world is producing things cheaper. Even if we were willing to pay more for high cost American made products and services, just how long would it be that we run out of money? Capitalism is based on competition and not charity. We either meet the production costs of other countries or we lose out. Yes, it would be great if we could pay everyone $100/hour and have a good standard of living but when the rest of the world is just paying their workers a small percent of our wages to do the same thing, it is impossible to survive with that business plan.
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Free is free wrote:
Pure capitalism and the abuses it naturally incents are why there are import tariffs, why labor unions evolved (admittedly, they got greedy and outlived their existence), why minimum wages came about, etc.
If business owners and other "capitalism-at-all costs with no holds barred" would act responsibly, there would have been no need for the above in the first place. That they don't is why the Government steps in.
That said, there has to be a balance and striking that balance changes from time to time. An illegal, black-market workforce and the whole offshoring thing are just the latest tactics business is using to commoditize labor of all sorts. It'll come into check
(witness AZ SB1070) when people have had enough.
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I think that time has come. Barclays, Bank of America, all of Wall Street have just about collapsed our economy. The fat cats have sucked the middle class dry and I don't know where else they can go to steal money.

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