Baldwin County school officials threa...

Baldwin County school officials threaten to close five schools if tax doesn't pass

There are 45 comments on the Alabama Live story from Oct 9, 2012, titled Baldwin County school officials threaten to close five schools if tax doesn't pass. In it, Alabama Live reports that:

Delta Elementary is one of five schools that Baldwin County officials are threatening to close if a penny tax for schools is not renewed in November.

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Roadrunner

United States

#1 Oct 9, 2012
The one thing you don't hear the school board doing is cutting some of the high paid office personal. They also have some employees riding around in new 4wheel drive trucks.
Give Me a Break

Foley, AL

#2 Oct 9, 2012
Scare tactics. Just vote no to these leches. They take your money and enjoy the good life. That is all there is to it. And, you farmers who don't vote. Do us all a favor and go to the polls and vote this tax increase down for a change--it affects you just like the rest of us and we need your help.
FARMER

Fairhope, AL

#3 Oct 11, 2012
I am a farmer and I do vote. I also support the school system. I have some questions about the tax though. The existing tax was passed to replace 60 million dollars of lost revenue for three years and the hope was that the economy would be better by then. Over a three year period the tax raised 84 million dollars ( According to Dr. Lee news article) My question is where is the extra 24 Million dollars? They said three years ago they needed 20 million a year for three years. If the economy improved to provide 24 million extra do they need the extended tax? That and I don't like to be threatened.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#4 Oct 12, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
The one thing you don't hear the school board doing is cutting some of the high paid office personal. They also have some employees riding around in new 4wheel drive trucks.
Don't get down on the office personel unless you are 100% sure of what goes on there. You may not have any earthly idea what it takes to run a school for the academic side, the record keeping, and the piles of red tape required. Some of the extra people you see in the elementary are only there to meet federal guidelines.
JUSTTHEFACTSSIR

Fairhope, AL

#5 Oct 12, 2012
The school board is top heavy regardless of the excuse. The salaries are excessive and there are some people that do absolutely nothing, I have direct knowledge of this. The people only want the FACTS not threats.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#6 Oct 12, 2012
JUSTTHEFACTSSIR wrote:
The school board is top heavy regardless of the excuse. The salaries are excessive and there are some people that do absolutely nothing, I have direct knowledge of this. The people only want the FACTS not threats.
Salaries excessive compared to what? You want low paid people,you get low quality education. Yep, get rid of the good folks,and scrounge around the colleges for some dregs that barely graduated and maybe they will work for lower pay. You seem to want a Escalade system on a Chevette budget.
Fairhope Voter

Calvert, AL

#7 Oct 12, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Salaries excessive compared to what? You want low paid people,you get low quality education. Yep, get rid of the good folks,and scrounge around the colleges for some dregs that barely graduated and maybe they will work for lower pay. You seem to want a Escalade system on a Chevette budget.
First; are you a resident of Baldwin County? Second; nobody said anything about replacing staff. Almost everyone has had to cut back in one form or another during this sluggish economy. Maybe pay raises should be halted and cutback on other services. I had to work a summer job growing up to pay for the ability to participate in sports. I also had to drive my child to and from a gifted/advanced education program on the other side of the county. If the money keeps flowing then there is no need to change. Education is at the heart of the matter not sports, the IB Program for a few select students, or pay raises. If children want to be in special programs than the parents should flip the bill not every taxpayer. Cutbacks and asking for money in other places is the solution instead of extending the tax. Lets work smarter with what we have and see what we can do instead of just automatically passing another tax.
Give Me a Break

Foley, AL

#8 Oct 13, 2012
FARMER wrote:
I am a farmer and I do vote. I also support the school system. I have some questions about the tax though. The existing tax was passed to replace 60 million dollars of lost revenue for three years and the hope was that the economy would be better by then. Over a three year period the tax raised 84 million dollars ( According to Dr. Lee news article) My question is where is the extra 24 Million dollars? They said three years ago they needed 20 million a year for three years. If the economy improved to provide 24 million extra do they need the extended tax? That and I don't like to be threatened.
I'm glad you vote. I just know that all of the teachers and all of the parents with kids in public schools and all of the members of the school administration and the Board or Education and the teacher's Union are united in voting for this 1% Baldwin County Sales Tax and it is not a one-penny tax increase which they fraudulently claim to get the votes of ignorant people. It is a 1% increase that is a substantially larger amount. Since farmers are a big group in Baldwin County, I suspected that lots of them did not vote in the last election because this tax passed by such a large margin. We need lots of people to come out and vote it down this time. And remember, this time is is forever and not just for 3-years.
Hope in Fairhope

Fairhope, AL

#9 Oct 13, 2012
The tax is a fair way to get money for our school system. Not only do residence pay, but tourist and those who shop in our county, unlike a property tax that affect those who own homes and actually pay their taxes. One cent has not hurt me for the past few years, and it will not hurt me in the future. Atleast we are able to vote on it and not have it just passed wether we like it or not. The way I see it, either you pay into our childrens future, or we will be paying for more police, prisons and welfare taxes.
Give Me a Break

Foley, AL

#11 Oct 13, 2012
"One cent has not hurt me for the past few years,"

It's not "ONE CENT". It's "ONE PERCENT"

Also, tourists are here for a short time each. Those of us who live here have to pay that increased Baldwin County Sales Tax everyday throughout the year--that makes a big difference.

"The tax is a fair way to get money for our school system."

Controlling school system spending is a fair way to control sales taxes.
FastFred

Foley, AL

#12 Oct 14, 2012
Number one....it is not a "Penny" in question here, it is "one per cent", the school system needs to cut back on items not needed instead of trying to scare parents in to believing there children won't be educated,the school system is not doing a good job as it is, throwing more money at it isn't the answer,as long as we can afford to supply illegals education we don't need to spend any more money in this area, so on till that issue is cleared up I hope they shut them all down,than-may be our law makers will enforce the laws and spend tax payers money wisely.
FARMER

Fairhope, AL

#13 Oct 16, 2012
I voted for the tax last time because I felt it was needed and it had a termination date. This tax is for 5 years and within that time the Legislature can make it permenate with out another vote of the people. If we vote this in it is forever. Yes the Board is top heavy, you have admin personal making twice what some teachers make and dictating what a teaacher must do other than teach. It is out of control and we need to get control. I attended a meeting last time where then Board member Robert Wills said when the money was flowing the Board was "fat, happy and dumb" I think they still are.
Give Me a Break

Foley, AL

#14 Oct 16, 2012
They are all arrogant--the Board of Education, the Teacher's Union, the School Administrators and even some teachers. They know that as long as they can convince parents who have kids in public schools that the World will come to an end if they don't vote for the Baldwin County increased sales tax, they will get whatever they want for as long as they want. That is why the Baldwin County Commissioners are so willing to put this vote to referendum because they know it will pass and then they can claim it was the voters who approved it and not them so they won't get a black eye for raising our taxes. I never hear about the Baldwin County Commissioners putting their own pay raise up for referendum. They know that would not pass so they just award themselves their own pay increases.
Roadrunner

United States

#15 Oct 16, 2012
Everyone should visit their web site and look at some of the salaries that are paid. Take a close look at the warehouse supervisor, warehouse cordinator, new construction manager, ect. Most of these jobs pay a lot more than what the teachers are making. A adminstrator assistant makes more than a teacher almost double. Nothing is being said about cutting any of these positions.
READITCLOSE

Chunchula, AL

#16 Oct 17, 2012
If the people vote this penny tax in for five years then the legislature can decide to make it permanate or end it, we all know what will happen.
I voted for the tax for three years I would vote for it for another three years, I will not vote for it to be decided by Montgomery. Most of the people in Montgomery are either School employees or their spouses are school employees. This is not a good tax, it is a underhanded way to get a permanate tax to waste away. What will be next?
What

Chunchula, AL

#17 Oct 17, 2012
The sale tax is generating 28 million a year in a sluggish economy, what will it generate in a good economy? The school board is looking for a golden egg.
FARMER

Atmore, AL

#18 Oct 18, 2012
The biggest problem I have is the threats and the fact that this will become a forever tax on the simple vote in Montgomery. Remember our forefathers and what they did when overtaxed.
Right now I am a no.
BAMA

Atmore, AL

#19 Oct 18, 2012
I find it interesting that some of the schools have leaking roofs and they have leaked since they were built. Mobile sued the architect firm and the contractor to get theirs fixed, why has Baldwin County not sued? Could it be that the father in law of a past school board member built the schools. Now this past school board member wants to be mayor. We don't need anymore leaks that won't be fixed.
Give Me a Break

Foley, AL

#20 Oct 18, 2012
BAMA wrote:
I find it interesting that some of the schools have leaking roofs and they have leaked since they were built. Mobile sued the architect firm and the contractor to get theirs fixed, why has Baldwin County not sued? Could it be that the father in law of a past school board member built the schools. Now this past school board member wants to be mayor. We don't need anymore leaks that won't be fixed.
The school system would like us to believe that they can't pay for a leaking roof unless we pay them millions of dollars in additional tax revenues. What are they doing with all of the money we are already giving them with our taxes? VOTE "NO" TO THE INCREASED BALDWIN COUNTY SALES TAX ON NOVEMBER 6.
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Bay Minette, AL

#21 Oct 22, 2012
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