Man killed, Foley police officer shot in marijuana raid

May 13, 2009 Full story: The Mobile Register Online 22

During a marijuana raid on a Foley residence early this morning, police officers shot and killed a 77-year-old man after he had shot a police officer in the leg with a pistol mounted with laser sights, Foley police said.

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truthskr101

Foley, AL

#1 May 15, 2009
Police good...criminals bad!!!
truthskr101

Needham, MA

#2 May 17, 2009
The words you spew from your mouth reflect the views of your mind. Educate yourselves before opening the gate to your mind.
What

Foley, AL

#3 May 19, 2009
What the hell did that last comment mean?? Is it about anything....
unlucky888

Foley, AL

#4 May 21, 2009
An innoncent 76 year old man killed for a few ounces of pot defending his home when the cops kicked his door in at 6 a.m with their lazer guns, dogs, machine guns, etc.. Why didn't they telephone the dealer and meet him somewhere and arrest him then serve a warrant to his parents. The Foley Police watch too much TV. They are a joke and disgrace to their profession.
truthskr101

Foley, AL

#5 May 21, 2009
unlucky888, I think you watch to much TV. I'm sure the Police are quite capable of doing their jobs without interference from arm chair quarterbacks who are suddenly professionals by watching crime tv shows.
A Matter of Concern

Foley, AL

#6 May 21, 2009
Police should not take any chances when dealing with suspected drug dealers or users. Some might be innocent weed-wackers and others could be strung out so much that they are dangerous. My concern is that they get them off of the street which is what they are doing. I applaud the Foley Police Department for taking an aggressive stand against drug use in Foley. We certainly don't want this town to go down hill like so many other communities have done.
renzo

Gadsden, AL

#7 May 31, 2009
When the Foley police kick in the wrong door is it okay to kill them?
NoBody

Azle, TX

#8 Jun 2, 2009
renzo wrote:
When the Foley police kick in the wrong door is it okay to kill them?
Wrong Door? Explain please
renzo

Gadsden, AL

#9 Jun 2, 2009
If the police were to kick in the wrong door when serving a search warrant is it okay to kill them? In such circumstances would one have a right to excercise deadly force in defending themselves?
NoBody

United States

#10 Jun 3, 2009
Ok. Got ya. Yes and no. There would be two seperate issues, criminal and civil. Most likely, wrong door or not, if you shoot a cop when there are 10 or so more cops nearby, you are gonna die. IF you lived through the mass gunfire, then you would go to jail for murder. Cops are allowed to make mistakes if operating "under the color of the law" and "in good faith". So, if they come into your house dressed like the police, saying they are the police, and you shoot at them, be ready to meet your maker. They are almost always covered against criminal presecution in the event of a mistake that was truely a mistake where due diligence was taken to prevent the mistake. So, if the cops come to house #1 thinking it's house #2 and still properly announce their presence and intentions, then they are still justified in entering the home and using deadly force if presented with a life-threatening situation. So, this in lies the "no" mentioned before. You can not shoot at the police for any reason if they are in the performance of their duties, acting in good faith, and under the color of the law. Now, here comes the "yes". If you shoot a cop who is entering your house, he doesn't say he's a cop, he's not dressed like a cop, and doesn't say why he's there, then it is reasonable to assume he's not a cop. You could shoot him, but see above. You won't live. But your family will do pretty good. The entire bunch of cops, the department, the city and whoever else involved would face serious civil actions and would pay heavily in the event of a shooting, cop or not, if the police entered a home by mistake.
Gulf Shores resident

Foley, AL

#11 Jun 7, 2009
renzo wrote:
When the Foley police kick in t
he wrong door is it okay to kill them?
I dont think you can legally shoot or kill a police officer if they enter your home and announce that they are the police....period.... even if they are proven later to have the wrong address.

The proper action would be to file a lawsuit for damages if that happens... not to try and kill the person just trying to do their job.

“You have been lied to”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#12 Jun 7, 2009
There once was a man on his deathbed who, at the very end of his life, called his wife to his side and said to her,“Dear, before I leave this earth, there is something that I really feel I have to tell you. For a number of years now, I have been having an affair with the woman who lives across the street. I do not mean to hurt your feelings, but I think you had a right to hear it, and hear it from me.” The wife thought for a moment and then replied,“That’s okay; I know. That’s why I poisoned you.”

In so many ways, we have been poisoning ourselves by the policy we have chosen to deal with the critical problem of drug use and abuse. As I have always acknowledged, many of these drugs are certainly dangerous and harmful, but there are also separate and distinct harms that are directly caused by their prohibition. These additional harms might be tolerable if they actually stemmed the flow of drugs into our communities. But the opposite is true. Our drug laws have simply failed.

Our country’s attempts to combat drug use and abuse, and all of the crime and misery that accompany them, through the criminal justice system is not working. Drug policy reform is one of the most important issues facing this country and the so called “War on Drugs” is one of our country’s biggest failures.

I have reached these conclusions after spending nearly 20 years as a Police Officer in the State of California. I have seen firsthand that we are wasting unimaginable amounts of our tax dollars, increasing crime and despair, and severely and unnecessarily harming people’s lives, particularly our children’s, by our failed drug policy. In short, I have seen that our current drug policy is a failure, and I simply cannot keep quiet any longer.

We have been following essentially the same Drug Prohibition policy for many decades, and it has given us the worst of all worlds. Today there are more drugs available in our communities, and at a lower price, than ever before. We have greatly expanded the number of prisons in the United States, but all of them are overflowing. As a direct result of the enormous amount of money available from illicit drug sales, the corruption of public officials and private individuals in our society has increased substantially. We have a much higher incidence of diseases, such as hepatitis and AIDS, caused by the use of dirty needles, than most countries in the world. The “War on Drugs” has resulted in the loss of more civil liberties protections than has any other phenomenon in our history. Instead of being shielded, our children are being recruited into a lifestyle of drug selling and drug usage by the current system. And revolutionaries and insurgents abroad are using money procured from the illegal sale of drugs to undermine legitimate governments all over the world. We could not have achieved worse results if we had tried.

Drug Abuse is Bad…The Drug War is Worse!
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION
Criminal Justice Professionals Speaking Out Against the War on Drugs
www.askleap.org
unlucky888

Foley, AL

#13 Jun 12, 2009
Well said Leap. I don't use drugs myself but have been to Amsterdam and Copenhagen many times and have seen the police (who don't carry guns) take drugs from people and let them go on about their business. Very little crime in Europe and only the very harden criminals in prison. In our country the justice business in only about generating money. It's a very profitable business. Take the shrimp festival at Gulf Shores. Today you would be arrested for having a beer in your hand on the besch. Shrimp festival time they sell it everywhere from tents. Most of these people have to drive home, but it generates money for the local government.
unlucky888

Foley, AL

#14 Jun 12, 2009
truthskr101 wrote:
unlucky888, I think you watch to much TV. I'm sure the Police are quite capable of doing their jobs without interference from arm chair quarterbacks who are suddenly professionals by watching crime tv shows.
How is this interference and it looks like you watch crime tv shows you stupid, inconsiderate, moron.
renzo

Gadsden, AL

#15 Jun 12, 2009
A friend moved from foley to eugene oregon where he is licensed by that state to grow pot. A few days ago he heard a noise outside his window and found that someone had stolen two of his pot plants. He called 911. The police responded, caught the thief, returned the plants and helped put them back in the ground. He gave them an ounce of white widow pot for their kindness. The plants are doing fine. In one state it's okay to grow it, and in this one possessing it can cost you your life. Makes no sense to me.
truthskr101

Foley, AL

#16 Jun 12, 2009
unlucky888: Here you go again! Your mouth has once again showed your intelligence of the situation. The Foley Police has done a fine job especially under Chief Brian and Wilson. I'm waiting to see the next headline; "Foley Police arrest unlucky888 for stupidity...he was caught trying to act smart".
jailcop

Fairhope, AL

#17 Jul 4, 2009
truthskr101... it is probably a good thing stupidity is not a crime... prisons are already overcorwded enough...

And I agree with what Wilson said... the man was shot because his son was a criminal...
Finster

United States

#18 Jul 6, 2009
Seems to me that the jerk here was the pot head drug dealing sorry slob of a 50 something year old loser living with (off) his elderly parents.
HE -put his family in danger and probably had been a shiftless blob all his life and a burden to them.
Maybe the old man decided he had had enough and committed suicide by cop and decided to try to take some with him.
We all know what the law is around here, and when you break the law, you take a chance of being arrested.
If you defy the police orders and SHOOT at them, expect to be killed.
unlucky888

Foley, AL

#19 Jul 7, 2009
truthskr101 wrote:
Police good...criminals bad!!!
Police good...criminals bad!!! INNOCENT MAN DEAD
truthskr101

Foley, AL

#20 Jul 14, 2009
unlucky888...INNOCENT MAN DEAD because he did not follow orders, and his son was selling drugs out of his house. If he had followed orders then he would be alive today to bail his son out of jail again.

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