Apparently suicidal man shot by polic...

Apparently suicidal man shot by police near Fogelsvillie after ...

There are 128 comments on the The Morning Call story from Apr 3, 2009, titled Apparently suicidal man shot by police near Fogelsvillie after .... In it, The Morning Call reports that:

After a fight with her boyfriend on Wednesday, Karen Haas told him she didn't want to speak to him until the next day when things had cooled off.

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Hindsight

Macungie, PA

#2 Apr 3, 2009
They approached a vehicle that had just been on a high speed chase knowing the guy had a gun with him in the vehicle? I watched enough TV to ask: Why would they, while they're safely behind their vehicles and their weapons drawn, command the guy to exit his vehicle with his hands on his head? It sounds like they put themselves in a more dangerous situation, where they were sitting ducks, and had to choice but to shoot to kill.

Once again, today's story doesn't sound like what it did yesterday.
Hindsight

Macungie, PA

#3 Apr 3, 2009
Sorry, I meant to say "Why WOULDN'T they..."
yikes

Bangor, PA

#4 Apr 3, 2009
That's one of the most disjointed articles I've ever read. Do mcall writers have something against writing in chronological order?
wow

United States

#5 Apr 3, 2009
Hindsight wrote:
Sorry, I meant to say "Why WOULDN'T they..."
first law enforcement officers are not trained to shoot to kill. They are trained to shoot to stop the threat.

What they did once they realized they had someone with a gun was take cover behind there vehicle. Apparently the officers did try to affect a feloney type stop by trying to get the man to give up the weapon and get out of the car. However, that just doesnt always work. They finally approached only after they thought that they had defused the situation enough and the man had stopped moving. When they approached he drew his rife on them and that was the end. The long and very sad truth abut the situation was this guy wanted to end his life but couldnt do it himself so he committed suicide by cop and now those officers will have to deal with taking someone life, something no cop ever wants to have to do. This will affect them and their families just as much as the family of the deceased. Everyone lost here. Its sad. In the end though those cops have a right to go home to their wife and kids or other family at the end of their shoft just like everyone else does.
wow

United States

#6 Apr 3, 2009
yes i know I cant type...
Suze

Lemoyne, PA

#8 Apr 3, 2009
Look at his girlfriend wrote:
Did you see the photos of his girlfriend? Take a look at this one:
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-5shooting...
That's his GIRLFRIEND. Wow! It's obvious now that he had issues, probably mental and social and relationship issues.
While I do feel sorry for what happened, he is truly better off now, especially after that. Just wow!
Wow, you are an a$$...
Jon Mullen

Emmaus, PA

#9 Apr 3, 2009
Whether the shooting was justified or not, I'm sure the shooters enjoyed it. The reason people become cops is so they can push around and hurt normal people. Also, they'll probably get promotions.

“Too soon old, too late smart..”

Since: Feb 07

Bethlehem, PA

#10 Apr 3, 2009
wow wrote:
<quoted text> first law enforcement officers are not trained to shoot to kill. They are trained to shoot to stop the threat.
What they did once they realized they had someone with a gun was take cover behind there vehicle. Apparently the officers did try to affect a feloney type stop by trying to get the man to give up the weapon and get out of the car. However, that just doesnt always work. They finally approached only after they thought that they had defused the situation enough and the man had stopped moving. When they approached he drew his rife on them and that was the end. The long and very sad truth abut the situation was this guy wanted to end his life but couldnt do it himself so he committed suicide by cop and now those officers will have to deal with taking someone life, something no cop ever wants to have to do. This will affect them and their families just as much as the family of the deceased. Everyone lost here. Its sad. In the end though those cops have a right to go home to their wife and kids or other family at the end of their shoft just like everyone else does.
Yes, "suicide by cop" is exactly what I thought too - and that it is really unfair to police officers to do that.
Jesse Sharpton

AOL

#12 Apr 3, 2009
And you rednecks told me that the PR's are taking Allentown down. This white boy lived in the heart of Center City. Who do you blame for this one?
Iron Man

Annandale, NJ

#13 Apr 3, 2009
Look at his girlfriend wrote:
Did you see the photos of his girlfriend? Take a look at this one:
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-5shooting...
That's his GIRLFRIEND. Wow! It's obvious now that he had issues, probably mental and social and relationship issues.
While I do feel sorry for what happened, he is truly better off now, especially after that. Just wow!
This photo of his girlfriend does not justify his death.
wow

Allentown, PA

#15 Apr 3, 2009
One thing I think they should have done in this article is interview the neighbors. I wonder what they were thinking when this all went down.
--LOSER ALERT--

West Chester, PA

#16 Apr 3, 2009
Jon Mullen wrote:
Whether the shooting was justified or not, I'm sure the shooters enjoyed it. The reason people become cops is so they can push around and hurt normal people. Also, they'll probably get promotions.
Hey Jon, you sound like you've had a few run-ins with the law. Ever think that you might bring problems upon yourself? Saying that the shooters enjoyed it really shows what a JACK-A55 you must be.
Dr Porkchopian

East Stroudsburg, PA

#17 Apr 3, 2009
Bored and lonely wrote:
<quoted text>
I beg to differ. I think she is very attractive. I sure wouldn't mind lying naked next to that hottie!
You need to change your name to "Board & Lifeless" as apparently you are as thick as a board and stopped existing many years ago. Make an appointment soon. LOL Just kidding...I detect some sarcasm?
Dr Porkchopian

East Stroudsburg, PA

#18 Apr 3, 2009
Shame on you!
Hillbilly Redneck

Stroudsburg, PA

#19 Apr 3, 2009
I'm sure John Karoly has already contacted the family and the girlfriend. Suicidal man shot by himself = sad situation. Suicidal man shot by police = Jackpot according to Karoly.
Drew

Whitehall, PA

#20 Apr 3, 2009
Hindsight wrote:
I watched enough TV to ask:
That statement alone destroys any credibility to your waste of an argument.
what crap

Bethlehem, PA

#21 Apr 3, 2009
justifiable only because the cops killed the only other witness !!!
what crap

Bethlehem, PA

#22 Apr 3, 2009
wow wrote:
<quoted text> first law enforcement officers are not trained to shoot to kill. They are trained to shoot to stop the threat.
What they did once they realized they had someone with a gun was take cover behind there vehicle. Apparently the officers did try to affect a feloney type stop by trying to get the man to give up the weapon and get out of the car. However, that just doesnt always work. They finally approached only after they thought that they had defused the situation enough and the man had stopped moving. When they approached he drew his rife on them and that was the end. The long and very sad truth abut the situation was this guy wanted to end his life but couldnt do it himself so he committed suicide by cop and now those officers will have to deal with taking someone life, something no cop ever wants to have to do. This will affect them and their families just as much as the family of the deceased. Everyone lost here. Its sad. In the end though those cops have a right to go home to their wife and kids or other family at the end of their shoft just like everyone else does.
Sounds to me like you watch alot of Hawaii - Five -O
what crap

Bethlehem, PA

#23 Apr 3, 2009
Hindsight wrote:
They approached a vehicle that had just been on a high speed chase knowing the guy had a gun with him in the vehicle? I watched enough TV to ask: Why would they, while they're safely behind their vehicles and their weapons drawn, command the guy to exit his vehicle with his hands on his head? It sounds like they put themselves in a more dangerous situation, where they were sitting ducks, and had to choice but to shoot to kill.
Once again, today's story doesn't sound like what it did yesterday.
Of course it sounds different ...your head is up you azz !!!
CWP

Harrisburg, PA

#25 Apr 3, 2009
Hindsight wrote:
They approached a vehicle that had just been on a high speed chase knowing the guy had a gun with him in the vehicle? I watched enough TV to ask: Why would they, while they're safely behind their vehicles and their weapons drawn, command the guy to exit his vehicle with his hands on his head? It sounds like they put themselves in a more dangerous situation, where they were sitting ducks, and had to choice but to shoot to kill.
Once again, today's story doesn't sound like what it did yesterday.
I watched a lot of medical shows so if you ever need surgery, give me a call.

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