"Suicidal" man fatally shot by police...

"Suicidal" man fatally shot by police in Lehigh County

There are 182 comments on the The Morning Call story from Apr 2, 2009, titled "Suicidal" man fatally shot by police in Lehigh County. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

The shooting following a vehicle pursuit that started and ended with vehicle accidents, according to Martin.

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Hindsight

Allentown, PA

#24 Apr 2, 2009
Under the circumstances, as described, I'd have done the same thing. Too bad cops are taught to shoot to kill. Disabling him would have probably worked too. This guy, given some time and therapy, might have found a life worth living.

Justified but still a shame. The cops had no choice.
from the inside

Clark, NJ

#25 Apr 2, 2009
Jeff wrote:
My thoughts and prayers go out to the entire Berks Lehigh Regional Police Department and it's Officers. I have had plenty of times that I have worked closely with the various Officers from the Police Department on various levels. The Officers are nothing but Professional in the job they do.
Lets thank god that the Coroner's Office is not investigating a double Police Officer Homicide at the hands of this deranged individual.
Hopefully this mans family will not pass judgement on the Police Officers who had no choice but to protect themselves. And know that they were only doing their jobs by protecting themselves and the public they serve.
Officers of the Police Department Keep up the great job you do everyday, and lets this incident serve as a reminder of the danger you face on a daily basis.
That about sums it up, thanks. Condolences to the family. I am sure they have been in misery. Now they may have peace in their lives. How convenient for the perp, didn't have to take it upon himself to do it. Couldn't skulk away to some woods and shoot himself.
Couldn't take the hose or OD in his basement. He had to involve the officers and all the families who will never forget this. Suicide is a sin.
Gyro2

Norwood, PA

#26 Apr 2, 2009
Hindsight wrote:
Under the circumstances, as described, I'd have done the same thing. Too bad cops are taught to shoot to kill. Disabling him would have probably worked too. This guy, given some time and therapy, might have found a life worth living.
Justified but still a shame. The cops had no choice.
HAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAA Whew. Thats funny. I needed a good laugh today. Thanks.
One Who Knows

Walnutport, PA

#27 Apr 2, 2009
To Lehigh Valley Resident: I guess you don't follow national news. Oakland a few weeks ago. Routine motorcycle cop traffic stop. 4 cops dead. I agree fully with those who say the cops were right. But read the story. They approached, saw the gun and took cover. They did not start shootingt. They issued commands and approached the car. Man pointed gun. Classic suicide by cop. Also textbook police work. Most likely the guy couldn't shoot himself with the shot gun. That isn't that easy depending upon the gun,s length and actually got just what he wanted. It is also textbook psychology in these cases. Pulling that trigger even for the suicidal can be very difficult. Getting someone else to do it is increasingly seen as a way of committing suicide. Fast and pain free. This is one investigation where it all falls into place. I know some of these guys personally and I can tell you the regional cops are stand-up guys, not gun-crazed cowboys.
trained

Emmaus, PA

#28 Apr 2, 2009
The officers did what they are trained and expected to do.. Great job. They are going home alive.
are you an idiot or what

Fleetwood, PA

#29 Apr 2, 2009
Lehigh Valley Resident wrote:
Sounds to me the COPS are a little quick to shot and less likely to talk. This should be investigated by a independent firm. OOPs but wait there is only going to be one side of the story given, Probably not the truthful side either.
Point a weapon at a police officer and suffer the consequences.... IDIOT.
jrk

Riegelsville, PA

#31 Apr 2, 2009
Lehigh Valley Resident wrote:
Sounds to me the COPS are a little quick to shot and less likely to talk. This should be investigated by a independent firm. OOPs but wait there is only going to be one side of the story given, Probably not the truthful side either.
So if you were a cop and the guy pointed a gun at you you would stand there and try to talk to him right. You moron. He got what he deserved!
COMPASSION

Telford, PA

#32 Apr 2, 2009
Some of you people have such a negative cold heartedness against the victim.You people are no better than anyone else!

Since: Apr 08

United States

#33 Apr 2, 2009
You can't blame the police look at what happened in Oakland. 4 cops dead!

Even if the shooting was completely justified the two police officers are going to have this weigh on them.

They have a tough job. I wish them the best.

Pachacutec

Fort Collins, CO

#34 Apr 2, 2009
One Who Knows wrote:
To Lehigh Valley Resident: I guess you don't follow national news. Oakland a few weeks ago. Routine motorcycle cop traffic stop. 4 cops dead. I agree fully with those who say the cops were right. But read the story. They approached, saw the gun and took cover. They did not start shootingt. They issued commands and approached the car. Man pointed gun. Classic suicide by cop. Also textbook police work. Most likely the guy couldn't shoot himself with the shot gun. That isn't that easy depending upon the gun,s length and actually got just what he wanted. It is also textbook psychology in these cases. Pulling that trigger even for the suicidal can be very difficult. Getting someone else to do it is increasingly seen as a way of committing suicide. Fast and pain free. This is one investigation where it all falls into place. I know some of these guys personally and I can tell you the regional cops are stand-up guys, not gun-crazed cowboys.
Ah, a voice of reason, thank you! Too, people ask "why couldn't the cops just "wing him?" This is real life, not the movies. As I said in my earlier post this WAS a tragic situation but I can't see where the police could've acted any differently than they did.
bvh877

Allentown, PA

#35 Apr 2, 2009
COMPASSION wrote:
Some of you people have such a negative cold heartedness against the victim.You people are no better than anyone else!
Don't call him a victim. He is NOT a victim.
darwin

Allentown, PA

#36 Apr 2, 2009
Glad the COPS got to go home last night.

Better judged by 12 than carried by 8.
former taxpayer

Northampton, PA

#37 Apr 2, 2009
I cannot believe they would shoot this poor man because he has arms!!!!! So must I be afraid simply because I have two arms that I will get shot!
Mike

Zionhill, PA

#38 Apr 2, 2009
PA Person wrote:
Thoughts and prayers go out to the 2 officers.
Amen to that.
onlyme

Bethlehem, PA

#40 Apr 2, 2009
Lehigh Valley Resident wrote:
Sounds to me the COPS are a little quick to shot and less likely to talk. This should be investigated by a independent firm. OOPs but wait there is only going to be one side of the story given, Probably not the truthful side either.
Put yourself in their shoes-as you walk toward the truck you see a gun pointed at you...now tell me what would you do?
ABC

United States

#41 Apr 2, 2009
OW - WOW - Karoly wil have a WING-DING with this one !
devin

Fogelsville, PA

#42 Apr 2, 2009
No one who wishes to live points a gun at a cop, look at all the real criminals in allenton who get to live...
Dollar signs

Allentown, PA

#43 Apr 2, 2009
That is a nice truck. It looks like this guy might have been a victim of our economy. Maybe a good guy, who could not stand the fact that he could no longer provide for his family. He went nuts. No one knows what he was capable of in his state of mind. Lets just pray for the people who are out of work.

“I get to see an Angel everyday”

Since: Dec 08

Allentown, PA

#44 Apr 2, 2009
Lehigh Valley Resident wrote:
Sounds to me the COPS are a little quick to shot and less likely to talk. This should be investigated by a independent firm. OOPs but wait there is only going to be one side of the story given, Probably not the truthful side either.
Sounds to me like you're an idi0t who has no idea what they're talking about.

While this is a tragic situation, when do you think you would EVER be allowed to point a LOADED rifle at a police officer? Were the officers supoosed to ask the man, "Are you really going to shoot? Are you sure?"

The two officers were TOTALLY justified in there actions. My prayers to the man's family, as well as the two officers. I'm quite neither one of them started their shift hoping that they would be discharging their weapons, let alone killing someone.
Nunya

Souderton, PA

#45 Apr 2, 2009
former taxpayer wrote:
I cannot believe they would shoot this poor man because he has arms!!!!! So must I be afraid simply because I have two arms that I will get shot!
Are you talking about the right to bear arms? You don't have the right to point a loaded shotgun at a Police Officer. I think you should be afraid because you seem to be a moron!

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