APSCUF delegates approve strike autho...

APSCUF delegates approve strike authorization vote

There are 24 comments on the WFMZ story from Oct 20, 2012, titled APSCUF delegates approve strike authorization vote. In it, WFMZ reports that:

Delegates from the Association of Pennsylvania State College and University Faculties unanimously approved a strike authorization vote Saturday, according to its members.

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Bill

Slatington, PA

#2 Oct 21, 2012
Do your homework, this isn't about more. Salary for faculty isn't even an issue. It's about surrendering salaries (35%) for temporary faculty when they already have poor salaries for their credentials. These people have families, homes, etc. They are our colleagues and the chancellor wants us to sell them out. It's about paying more for health insurance when the faculty already pays way more than any other state employee group. It's about demonstrating complete and utter disrespect for people who teach and prepare Pennsylvanians for highly skilled professions in the state of Pennsylvania.
John Northampton

Reading, PA

#3 Oct 21, 2012
Bill wrote:
Do your homework, this isn't about more. Salary for faculty isn't even an issue. It's about surrendering salaries (35%) for temporary faculty when they already have poor salaries for their credentials. These people have families, homes, etc. They are our colleagues and the chancellor wants us to sell them out. It's about paying more for health insurance when the faculty already pays way more than any other state employee group. It's about demonstrating complete and utter disrespect for people who teach and prepare Pennsylvanians for highly skilled professions in the state of Pennsylvania.
Salary isn't an issue but they want more in health care and pensions ? What were the years when they were just handed state money like it grew on trees . The figures that go along with the pay and benefits would be a big help in funding a balance between what the state money has to pay for and worth of the progam.
John Northampton

Reading, PA

#4 Oct 21, 2012
You should do a little research on all public servants in Pa on pay , age at retirement , medical benefits while working and at retirement.

Then reseach how much it costs of our state money to fund all these institutions of entitlements and compare it to what and where the working people are paying to fund something that gives them no benefit .

Highly skilled professions in Pa ? Casinos , crooked legislators , churches , unions.
Bill

Slatington, PA

#5 Oct 21, 2012
John Northampton wrote:
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Salary isn't an issue but they want more in health care and pensions ? What were the years when they were just handed state money like it grew on trees . The figures that go along with the pay and benefits would be a big help in funding a balance between what the state money has to pay for and worth of the progam.
Wrong and wrong. No one is asking for more in health care and pensions are not a contractual issue.
John Northampton

Reading, PA

#6 Oct 22, 2012
Bill wrote:
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Wrong and wrong. No one is asking for more in health care and pensions are not a contractual issue.
A few figures on pay, pensions and benefits would go a long way instead of "wrong and wrong" ?

Contractual means nothing more than taxes will go up to fund the never ending underfunded public pension crisis . It's a thirty year plan to spread the Pa. public pension crisis around a litle more so it doesn't look like quite the disaster it has become.

Gov. Ridge and legislation passed in the 90s created the monster ,carved in legislation that will be passed onto our grandchildren..
John Northampton

Reading, PA

#7 Oct 22, 2012
Bill wrote:
Do your homework, this isn't about more. Salary for faculty isn't even an issue. It's about surrendering salaries (35%) for temporary faculty when they already have poor salaries for their credentials. These people have families, homes, etc. They are our colleagues and the chancellor wants us to sell them out. It's about paying more for health insurance when the faculty already pays way more than any other state employee group. It's about demonstrating complete and utter disrespect for people who teach and prepare Pennsylvanians for highly skilled professions in the state of Pennsylvania.
"it's about paying more for health insurance when the faculty already pays more than any other (state emplyee) group.

Way more than half the state employees health benefits are paid by taxes . Comparing state groups present health insurance against each other doesn't cut it . Try a comparison with private sector health groups . All state workers are on a gravy train paid by workers that actually make something .

Surrendering starting salaries ? So they take a vote and threaten to strike . Friendly pesuasion, try intimidation and union bully .
John Northampton

Reading, PA

#8 Oct 22, 2012
The figures are out and Pa taxpayers take another hit ?

27 billion underfunded psers pension fund will grow to 31 billion in the near future.

investments earned 3.4% as of june 30 ,far below the accounting plays that builds in a return of 7.5 %.

It's now , not next year or past years returns .
PSERS lost on investments , taxpayers make up the underfunding .

Make any sense yet ?
John Northampton

Reading, PA

#9 Oct 22, 2012
TaxNoMore wrote:
Roberta Spangler
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Works at Cedar Crest College
So, let me get this right.
Colleges have become too expensive for almost anyone to afford.
Service jobs are being outsourced and downsized, putting more people out of work all the time, and teachers feel the need to strike for more benefits?
I believe that unions had a place in the beginning - wayyyy in the beginning, when factory owners had no regard for safety or security of their employees.
I can't, for the life of me, figure why unions, or bargaining units, are necessary in any white collar career field.
You have jobs, which a whole lot of people don't.
You have benefits, which a whole lot of people don't have.
You get to retire, which a whole lot of people can't.
You have a lot of nerve demanding more in this economy.
There's no shortage of nerve when psers pension fund doesn't meet their projected increase in the pension fund . They'll tell anyone the Pa state didn't meet their obligation to fund the states part of the agreement ( that's us also ), the state doesn't make any money , except by raising taxes. School district budgets are based on three things ; the part the state pays , their contributions to the pension fund which they can take it all out at retirement plus interest , homeowners school tax which heads nowhere but up .

Why, when my investments go south I lose , when the teachers investments go south I lose again to make up what their investments lost . I should be so lucky that I can pay my school tax and when things get better I can pay more school tax when they go on strike again.
Pennsylvania

Reading, PA

#10 Oct 22, 2012
Bill wrote:
Do your homework, this isn't about more. Salary for faculty isn't even an issue. It's about surrendering salaries (35%) for temporary faculty when they already have poor salaries for their credentials. These people have families, homes, etc. They are our colleagues and the chancellor wants us to sell them out. It's about paying more for health insurance when the faculty already pays way more than any other state employee group. It's about demonstrating complete and utter disrespect for people who teach and prepare Pennsylvanians for highly skilled professions in the state of Pennsylvania.
We have families also and are being sold out by unions and stste legislators. Surrendering salaries for up and coming teachers? I think you know the thousands of teachers that can't find jobs may have a better working attitude than present teachers and that's what you are really afraid of . The union grab on payoffs , pay and pensions has to be broken before we can start hiring qualified teachers that want in to do a job rather than put their time in and hand out lesson assignments and head out . It already shows what kind of education you put out . What college grad sticks with their major ? Not many, it was a stepping stone for more education and maybe a good paying job that you actually have to put time into to make a living wage . Any job after college is a learning and study process that has to be worked at and have been lucky to be given the chance to get hands on . You were the first stepping stone and plenty were good at it . Yes , most of you were good but how high do you want to go and who will be paying for it ?

Paid mentors for how many years for advice given to people that have more sense than to know the union rules are bait to do a lackluster job. I don't think that is the model the next best generation wants in this economy. They want a job they can be good at and not have to depend on lobbyists keeping the union money flowing to the Harrisburg status quo .
Pennsylvania

Reading, PA

#11 Oct 23, 2012
Bill wrote:
Do your homework, this isn't about more. Salary for faculty isn't even an issue. It's about surrendering salaries (35%) for temporary faculty when they already have poor salaries for their credentials. These people have families, homes, etc. They are our colleagues and the chancellor wants us to sell them out. It's about paying more for health insurance when the faculty already pays way more than any other state employee group. It's about demonstrating complete and utter disrespect for people who teach and prepare Pennsylvanians for highly skilled professions in the state of Pennsylvania.
The main issue is the pension crisis and why the taxpayer has to keep feeding an underfunded pension that gets larger every year with no end in sight except for the aging population that by law has to make up the underfunding. The teachers figure since they paid for all the SS retirees deducted every paycheck it is only fair since they helped to pay for their pension .
There is no comparison to SS and teachers pensions . If there were why isn't the psers pension an automatic deduction from workers paychecks like there is an automatic deduction listed under FICA ?

I wont get to withdraw all my contributions at retirement like teachers do . You gotta do more homework Bill.
Bill

Virginville, PA

#12 Oct 23, 2012
Don't know what PSERS specifically requires and I don't really care. I am not a K -12 teacher and my retirement is through TIA CREF. As I wrote earlier, pensions are not contractual issues and I was writing about the current contract negotiations. Some of you keep coming back to pensions. If you have a problem with it, then take it up with your political people. They make the rules.

From what I understand, teachers will soon pay 10% of their gross income in retirement and receive 80% of their best three years after 40 years of teaching. That sounds fair to me.

As for this statement "Yes , most of you were good but how high do you want to go and who will be paying for it ?" if you are referring to salaries, and I think you are, I wrote earlier that salary is not an issue. Asking how high we want to go is different than asking what are we willing to settle for. We've made that decision and believe me, it's next to nothing. Factor in inflation and it's worse. But, no one that I know of is complaining.

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#13 Oct 23, 2012
Preparing them for what jobs?
Pennsylvania

Reading, PA

#14 Oct 23, 2012
Bill wrote:
Don't know what PSERS specifically requires and I don't really care. I am not a K -12 teacher and my retirement is through TIA CREF. As I wrote earlier, pensions are not contractual issues and I was writing about the current contract negotiations. Some of you keep coming back to pensions. If you have a problem with it, then take it up with your political people. They make the rules.
From what I understand, teachers will soon pay 10% of their gross income in retirement and receive 80% of their best three years after 40 years of teaching. That sounds fair to me.
As for this statement "Yes , most of you were good but how high do you want to go and who will be paying for it ?" if you are referring to salaries, and I think you are, I wrote earlier that salary is not an issue. Asking how high we want to go is different than asking what are we willing to settle for. We've made that decision and believe me, it's next to nothing. Factor in inflation and it's worse. But, no one that I know of is complaining.
Glad you straightened all that out . It still begs why public school educators have unions , hammer out new contracts behind closed doors with a not so impartial mediator . These union contracts usually end up costing more than the taxpayer can afford. Our legislators made rules and agreements for themselves and teacher unions . They all enter into the eerie realm of poitics to fatten their own pockets first . Get these unions to donate money (lobby)(extortion)(bribe) and pass the rest on in salary and pension benefits. Do you have figures on what these higher educators get in salary , benefits and pensions ? I can understand why no one is complaining .

10 % of pay towards their pension over their working years and at retirement it all can be withdrawn with interest. Maybe this is why 70 % of a school budget goes for pension payments. The Allentown Police Dept. got a better deal and look where Allentown is ?
Bill

Virginville, PA

#15 Oct 23, 2012
AunieEm2 wrote:
Preparing them for what jobs?
Well for that you'd have to come on to a college campus and go to a career development or career services office to see the listings of jobs in Pennsylvania, or attend one of the campus job fairs, or sit down with a recruiter who is looking for employees.

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#16 Oct 23, 2012
Bill wrote:
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Well for that you'd have to come on to a college campus and go to a career development or career services office to see the listings of jobs in Pennsylvania, or attend one of the campus job fairs, or sit down with a recruiter who is looking for employees.
There are no jobs.
Pennsylvania

Reading, PA

#17 Oct 23, 2012
AunieEm2 wrote:
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There are no jobs.
Peace Corps - Guam , Uraguay , Mongolia
Bill

Slatington, PA

#18 Oct 23, 2012
AunieEm2 wrote:
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There are no jobs.
Ok, I'm done. You're stupid and I don't like stupid.
mike

Hazleton, PA

#19 Oct 24, 2012
Bill wrote:
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Ok, I'm done. You're stupid and I don't like stupid.
If you say it's red she'll say it's blue,another know it all.
loose stool

Brooklyn, NY

#20 Oct 24, 2012
Bill wrote:
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Ok, I'm done. You're stupid and I don't like stupid.
Is this a private circle jerk or can anyone join?

Really Bill you're right. I told my kids to bring their own paper hats and hair nets and sure enough they were hired the same day.

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#21 Oct 24, 2012
loose stool wrote:
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Is this a private circle jerk or can anyone join?
Really Bill you're right. I told my kids to bring their own paper hats and hair nets and sure enough they were hired the same day.
I'm beginning to suspect that our institutions of higher learning do more damage than good. I've suspected it for a long time.Having many in my extended family with advanced degrees and absolutely no common sense. For instance, one with a masters in reading who cannot follow written instructions always asks me for help in learning a new skill. Another,advanced in years and possessing many degrees thought in 2008 that she had no choice but to vote for Obama because she was a registered Democrat. How many without degrees think that?

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