State police car involved in R.222 bypass crash

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A state trooper was involved in a crash on the Route 222 bypass in Lower Macungie Township yesterday afternoon when he drove through standing water while responding with lights and sirens to an incident on ...

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#46
Apr 29, 2008
 
HEY TROOPER....SLOW DOWN! What kind of "incident" was he responding to? Again great reporting from the MC. I know the police (state or otherwise) see and investigate accidents all the time. But I can never understand how some drive as fast as they do during wet conditions and NOT be thinking about their car sliding into jersey barrier and flipping end to end? I guess I am the only one who watches WILDEST POLICE CHASES?
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#47
Apr 29, 2008
 
Subchapter F. Speed Restrictions.
3361. Driving vehicle at safe speed.
No person shall drive a vehicle at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing, nor at a speed greater than will permit the driver to bring his vehicle to a stop within the assured clear distance ahead. Consistent with the foregoing, every person shall drive at a safe and appropriate speed when approaching and crossing an intersection or railroad grade crossing, when approaching and going around a curve, when approaching a hill crest, when traveling upon any narrow or winding roadway and when special hazards exist with respect to pedestrians or other traffic or by reason of weather or highway conditions.

[Webmaster notes: Every driver in this Commonwealth who is convicted of an offense under this section will be assessed points as of the date of violation as prescribed under the system for driver education and control set forth in this title. See 1535 of this title (relating to schedule of convictions and points).
Section 3366 provides that every citation or complaint for charges of violations of speed provisions in this subchapter shall specify the speed at which the defendant is alleged to have driven and the applicable speed limit.
Section 3716 provides that if a commercial motor vehicle overturns in an accident resulting from a violation of this section 3361, the operator of the vehicle shall, upon conviction, be sentenced to pay a fine of $2,000, in addition to any other penalty authorized by law.
Section 6502 provides that for violations of provisions of this title (or any provision of a regulation promulgated under the authority of this title) the fine shall be $25 unless otherwise herein provided, and that insofar as it relates to fines and imprisonment for convictions of summary offenses Title 18 is inapplicable to this title.]
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#48
Apr 29, 2008
 
PA statute does not give unlimited right to speed as an emergency responder.

It says, "Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as the driver does NOT ENDANGER LIFE OR PROPERTY, except as provided in subsection (d)."

The fact that this officer created damage to his and another's car is indicative of violation of this MVC, because Property Damage did occur and that a collision of automobiles at high speed is indicative of risk of "Endangerment of human life."

He should be cited, pay his fines, have points assessed for insurance purposes, and be required to go to driving school.

There is absolutely no blanket protection for law enforcement to ignore Motor Vehicle Code. They are required under the statute to control their vehicles at ALL times, including emergency to not endanger life or property, which means control vehicle that you do not hit and damage people or physical items of others.

Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
THE VEHICLE CODE (TITLE 75)
PART III OPERATION OF VEHICLES
CHAPTER 31. GENERAL PROVISIONS.
3105. Drivers of emergency vehicles
(a) General rule.--The driver of an emergency vehicle, when responding to an emergency call or when in the pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law or when responding to but not upon returning from a fire alarm or other emergency call, may exercise the privileges set forth in this section, but subject to the conditions stated in this section.

(b) Exercise of special privileges.--The driver of an emergency vehicle may:

Park or stand, irrespective of the provisions of this part.
Proceed past a red signal indication or stop sign, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe operation, except as provided in subsection (d).
Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as the driver does not endanger life or property, except as provided in subsection (d).
Disregard regulations governing direction of movement, overtaking vehicles or turning in specified directions.

(c) Audible and visual signals required.--The privileges granted in this section to an emergency vehicle shall apply only when the vehicle is making use of an audible signal and visual signals meeting the requirements and standards set forth in regulations adopted by the department.

(d) Ambulances blood delivery vehicles and human organ delivery vehicles.--The driver of an ambulance, blood delivery vehicle or human organ delivery vehicle shall comply with maximum speed limits, red signal indications and stop signs. After ascertaining that the ambulance blood delivery vehicle or human organ delivery vehicle will be given the right-of-way, the driver may proceed through a red signal indication or stop sign.

(e) Exercise of care.--This section does not relieve the driver of an emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons.

(f) Pedalcycles.--No part of this section shall be construed to restrict the operation of a pedalcycle used by a police officer during the course of performing official duties.

(g) Emergency vehicle preemption devices.--

The department may promulgate regulations for the operation and use of preemptive traffic devices by emergency vehicles.
An individual other than authorized emergency personnel who operates or uses a preemptive traffic device commits a misdemeanor of the third degree.
The possession of a preemptive traffic device by an individual who is not an authorized user of the device is prohibited. The device if in the possession of a nonauthorized user shall be deemed contraband and shall be seized by a law enforcement officer.

[Webmaster note: Section 6502 provides that for violations of provisions of this title (or any provision of a regulation promulgated under the authority of this title) the fine shall be $25 unless otherwise herein provided, and that insofar as it relates to fines and imprisonment for convictions of summary offenses Title 18 is inapplicable to this title.]
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#49
Apr 30, 2008
 
going to a accident does not mean they have to be a race call driver to get their! they are supose to be driving at a safe speed for the conditions of the road. he should be punished and be pulled of the road and retake their drivers saftey training.he could of killed another driver or child.
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#50
Apr 30, 2008
 
mike wrote:
going to a accident does not mean they have to be a race call driver to get their! they are supose to be driving at a safe speed for the conditions of the road. he should be punished and be pulled of the road and retake their drivers saftey training.he could of killed another driver or child.
It has now become a "lose/lose" for the cops. The are damned if they speed to a call, and they are damned if they take too long to get there.
The public needs to decide on what they want and stick to it.
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#51
Apr 30, 2008
 
I want them to obey the law and get there!
Mehoopany

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#52
Apr 30, 2008
 
comment wrote:
I want them to obey the law and get there!
I'll put you down then as a vote for "allow them to speed to a call".
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Schnecksville, PA

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#53
Apr 30, 2008
 
ugh wrote:
Cops conduct cross dressing beauty contest, from contestents from area police districts including lehigh county sheriffs department at the apd academy. Ah ha ah ha ah ha ah ha ROTFL that's best yet! Hey there many cross dressing deputies in black gowns at the court house.
I don't mean to be critical, but do you realize you repeat your self often?
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#54
Apr 30, 2008
 
Partolman 2 wrote:
Being a rookie cop this scares me. We try to serve the commonwealth and look at the rude comments we get. It would be different if we were responding to a call for you. Hold your head HIGH Trooper!
Please tell me that you are NOT a member of law enforcement. Your justification to break the law, because it could be a matter of "life or death", is absurd. I wouldn't accept that excuse from a child and it is embarrassing that an adult would try it.
Speeding is a matter of "life or death" for the people on the road. This officer was responding to a car accident, there was no need to put others in danger.
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#55
Apr 30, 2008
 
Billy wrote:
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What is you? Ignant?
He will not get a citation due to the fact that he was AUTHORIZED to exceed the speed limit for an emergency call.
Wouldn't you want the police to respond as quickly as possible if you or a fmily memebr were being threatened or injured?
I just so happen to drive emergency equipment as a volunteer fireman. As the driver of any of our apparatus I am responsible for my crew the equipment and the safety of the civilians that are on the roads with me. I am to follow "ALL" traffic regulations including the speed limit. If I hit someone in one of our trucks under the same conditions guess what I am going to get cited. How do I know because it has happened to one of our guys. Always remember you will be more help at an emergency if you arrive a minute later than not to arrive at all. How useful was this officer for those he was going to assist?
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Apr 30, 2008
 
Doubtful citation wrote:
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I just so happen to drive emergency equipment as a volunteer fireman. As the driver of any of our apparatus I am responsible for my crew the equipment and the safety of the civilians that are on the roads with me. I am to follow "ALL" traffic regulations including the speed limit. If I hit someone in one of our trucks under the same conditions guess what I am going to get cited. How do I know because it has happened to one of our guys. Always remember you will be more help at an emergency if you arrive a minute later than not to arrive at all. How useful was this officer for those he was going to assist?
Oooooo! A volunteer arsonist! I am thoroughly impressed.

“Joey Chestnut is my hero”

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Whitehall, PA

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#57
Apr 30, 2008
 
Lewee wrote:
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Oooooo! A volunteer arsonist! I am thoroughly impressed.
Wow, you must be fun on a first date! Can't think of anything better than to attack someone that actually takes time out of their life to voluntarily to make sure that when people like you drive like an idiot and wreck, that they can pull your hefty backside out of your car, or save your house when you stick your grill too close to your house, or leave popcorn in the microwave for 20 minutes.

Have a nice day. I only hope you NEVER need the services of a volunteer firefighter. Even if you do, we will be there in spite of yourself.

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#59
Apr 30, 2008
 
This was an over-zealous rookie looking to demonstrate the size of his balls, and he made trouble for himself and the PSP.

This will continue until another child is killed by these cowboys.

Maybe next time the lawsuit will stick, but until that time, the PSP hasn't the intelligence to modify their procedures.
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#60
May 1, 2008
 
Mehoopany wrote:
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I'll put you down then as a vote for "allow them to speed to a call".
Can't get there if you are in an accident and people are dead, just ask Brett Guth.

I'll stand by my comment that "I want them to get there." This means to actually get there. Did this PA State Trooper get there? NO! Which means obey the law, meaning drive according to the statues which includes emergency responder to not ENDANGER Life or Property and to drive as condidtions of the road dictate.

This Trooper deserves summary traffic violation for his poor driving skills and points.

You as a responder are of no value if you do not get there and actually stress the system because now we are one man down and have two response situations.

Get there safely, without speeding.
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#61
May 2, 2008
 
Give him a ticket!
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#62
May 5, 2008
 
Drew wrote:
Give him a ticket!
You are such a hypocrite. Not three days ago, I saw you fail to signal a lane change and almost caused a five car pile up.

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