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scott

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Feb 1, 2013
 
Recently moved to old town, love the area, but not the school. I have a son going to kindergarten this year, what are my options locally? Thanks.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

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Feb 1, 2013
 
Sacred Heart Catholic is an excellent school. Probably the best in the area. I'm not Catholic but have to admit that. Next would be Atonement Lutheran, very close to SH in quality. N. County Christian is excellent also but admittedly not at par with the 1st two.

All three are solid choices.

Good Luck.
OldFlo

Florissant, MO

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Feb 1, 2013
 

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St. Norberts is also a good Catholic school
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Saint Peters, MO

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Feb 2, 2013
 

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Now here's a thought. Get on board full blast with a voucher system. Look at how your public school systems piss your money down a rat hole. Look at your tax bill,biggest part goes to the school district. Look at the school districts make up. A pot full of board members,all with their own hidden agenda,you know,you scratch mine,I'll scratch yours. Build, build, Build,hire,hire,hire,piss the tax money away quickly before you get caught. Schools top heavy with superintendants,principles,bla h,blah,blah. Take a look at the aforementioned private schools and their make up. Most of the folks who run things are very interested parishioners,mostly unpaid volunteers with no hidden agenda. They turn out a quality education,PC is far down the list when it comes to discipline,you just don't have the bull crap you have in public systems. Why shouldn't parents have the option of sending their kid to a good private school with their tax money? Get on it people,make it happen. Petition your law makers,make them get off their useless do nothing collective asses and do it.
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Florissant, MO

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#5
Feb 3, 2013
 
Visit North County Christian School (NCCS)- it may be worth your time. My granddaughter went to Combs Elementary K-6 and it wasn't horrible, but when it came time for her to enter the most difficult time of a young persons school experience (middle school) her parents decided that NCCS would be worth the financial sacrifice - and it WAS! You will never agree with everything a school stands for or does, but civility and acknowledgement & respect for their Maker goes a long way. Good luck in your search for the right place for your child. And remember that YOU are the most important model.
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Saint Louis, MO

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#6
Feb 3, 2013
 
keep your son out of the public schools, nothing but blacks and lots of troubles. atonement is very good.
Theres a difference

Florissant, MO

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Feb 4, 2013
 
between private and parochial, albeit most people "lump" them into the same category.
You do not need to be a Catholic to go to a Catholic school but non Catholics are often placed on a waiting list. This is especially true in PreK and Kindergarten classes. St. Norbert has consolidated PreK with St.Sabina
Both are great schools, but be prepared to spend some serious money. St.Norbert is a great school but from K-8 will cost you about $70,000+ extras and the tuition from necessity will increase. That's pretty much standard for Catholic schools in the area. Catholic High Schools are equivalent to some college tuitions. My nephew will be a senior at CBC and when he graduates it will have costs his folks around $80K not counting the fees for sports and other stuff.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

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#8
Feb 4, 2013
 
Theres a difference wrote:
between private and parochial, albeit most people "lump" them into the same category.
You do not need to be a Catholic to go to a Catholic school but non Catholics are often placed on a waiting list. This is especially true in PreK and Kindergarten classes. St. Norbert has consolidated PreK with St.Sabina
Both are great schools, but be prepared to spend some serious money. St.Norbert is a great school but from K-8 will cost you about $70,000+ extras and the tuition from necessity will increase. That's pretty much standard for Catholic schools in the area. Catholic High Schools are equivalent to some college tuitions. My nephew will be a senior at CBC and when he graduates it will have costs his folks around $80K not counting the fees for sports and other stuff.
Good points.

Parents should also consider availability of multiple child discounts if they have more than one kid. Problem that arises is if you go the Catholic route and your kids go to different high schools (boy/girl) you don't get any breaks. Also if you live in MO and send your kids to Marquette Cath HS in Alton, you don't get some of the MO state college scholarship cash that you would get if your kids went to a MO high school.

If you do the math, you may find that it is a better deal to move to a better public school district as we did.

The sad thing here is that FLOMO folks should not even have to face these kinds of decisions--public schools should have to provide a safe environment and an excellent education given the taxes collected by the local districts, and its not that they don't know how, they both had an excellent track record up to just a few years ago, and still have beautiful facilities and some good teachers.

Very sad.
Beeen there done that

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Feb 4, 2013
 
do cost some big bucks now. But most of them have some form of financial aid like TWB and things like that and most will work with a family who truly wants their kids to have a Catholic education.

And I can tell you this, for a fact, if the principal or parish priest think you are trying to enroll you kids to keep them from going to school with blacks you can forget it. The first criteria is that you are Catholic and the kids have been baptised Catholic. Yes, they accept non Catholics but there has to be a legitimate reason other than you not wanting your kids in public school. If that is your reason you will be told to apply at a true private school not a religious one.

My daughter was old enough for kindergarten at the same time Ferg/Flo merged and the first thing I was asked was for her baptismal certificate. That's still the case. And there are black kids in parochial schools, STN has quite a few. But the discipline is totally different from what I understand. And I don't care what color you are if your Catholic or any religion and your kids should be able to go to that school.

The cost is unbelievable compared to what it was when my kids went. We just put a certain amount of money in our Sunday offering not straight out tuition like now. My grandkids go to St.Rose and it's $9,500 a year plus uniforms and books. They go because everyone in our family has always gone to parochial schools even though it is really tough to find the money to pay sometimes.
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Beeen there done that wrote:
do cost some big bucks now. But most of them have some form of financial aid like TWB and things like that and most will work with a family who truly wants their kids to have a Catholic education.
And I can tell you this, for a fact, if the principal or parish priest think you are trying to enroll you kids to keep them from going to school with blacks you can forget it. The first criteria is that you are Catholic and the kids have been baptised Catholic. Yes, they accept non Catholics but there has to be a legitimate reason other than you not wanting your kids in public school. If that is your reason you will be told to apply at a true private school not a religious one.
When we were shopping schools we told the principals what we were looking for, a traditional strong curriculum with grouping by ability, stated and practiced moral standards, and respect for authority and firm disciplinary standards.

We explained what we wanted: our kids to feel safe and secure in school; not be constantly distracted by misbehaving fools and fights; and not have some new kids coming in every week who were YEARS behind and soaked up all of the teacher's time with their specialized remediation needs; disciplinary issues, etc., so OUR kids could get THEIR education.

I told a few principals quite frankly that we weren't so naive that we thought some kid's black skin was going to rub off on our kid, but we felt it was just not fair that our kids were getting shortchanged by what was going on. Nobody had a problem with that.

OP: the faster you recognize the problem and take the steps to solve it the better off you and your kids will be.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Scott, if you check back on this site (and I would not blame you if you did not given that we're all racist pigs (I assumed that you are black)) I think Been there done that meant that it was $9500 for multiple kids (at least 2 I would think and possibly 3). St Rose tuition cannot be over $9k per kid---no way!!!
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

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Feb 5, 2013
 
TTU wrote:
Scott, if you check back on this site (and I would not blame you if you did not given that we're all racist pigs (I assumed that you are black)) I think Been there done that meant that it was $9500 for multiple kids (at least 2 I would think and possibly 3). St Rose tuition cannot be over $9k per kid---no way!!!
I believe for one child it is around $5500 a year but that is not including uniforms, field trips, lunches, school supplies and in the upper grades books that are required but not supplied as normal educational materials. That's pretty much standard in all Catholic schools K-8.

Of course when you get to the 8th grade there are a lot of "extras". I think for my family the 8th grade was the most expensive with costs for retreats, class trips, pro life march in D.C. and various other add ons. Some of which are not mandatory but it's a little difficult to not let your child participate in what his or her classmates do.

But in our parish you can get financial help based on need as it is kind of a given that if you are Catholic you should be able to receive that type of education.
Scott

Saint Louis, MO

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Feb 18, 2013
 
TTU wrote:
Scott, if you check back on this site (and I would not blame you if you did not given that we're all racist pigs (I assumed that you are black)) I think Been there done that meant that it was $9500 for multiple kids (at least 2 I would think and possibly 3). St Rose tuition cannot be over $9k per kid---no way!!!
Thanks for your comments and I am not black...white as they come.
Catholic Schools

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Feb 22, 2013
 
I would totally recommend any of the Catholic Schools in North County. I have first hand experience with St. Norbert and would recommend it. St. Ferdinand is a good choice as well! I am a big supporter of Catholic Schools and intend on sending my kids to them no matter where I decide to to live!

So many people make such a big deal about behavior and that taking away from instructional time. One thing that really takes up a lot of time in public schools is all the assessing that they do on students and I am not even talking about the MAP Test. SO much instructional time is taken away for these. Then when it does come to MAP, the subjects that are assessed are the subjects that get heavy instruction. This happens on BOTH sides of the river! In Catholic schools you can just teach...and when I taught there the students were taught in all subject areas almost everyday! You can't say that for the public schools on both sides of there river!
TTU

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Catholic Schools wrote:
I would totally recommend any of the Catholic Schools in North County. I have first hand experience with St. Norbert and would recommend it. St. Ferdinand is a good choice as well! I am a big supporter of Catholic Schools and intend on sending my kids to them no matter where I decide to to live!
So many people make such a big deal about behavior and that taking away from instructional time. One thing that really takes up a lot of time in public schools is all the assessing that they do on students and I am not even talking about the MAP Test. SO much instructional time is taken away for these. Then when it does come to MAP, the subjects that are assessed are the subjects that get heavy instruction. This happens on BOTH sides of the river! In Catholic schools you can just teach...and when I taught there the students were taught in all subject areas almost everyday! You can't say that for the public schools on both sides of there river!
Generally agreed. But a word of caution. Not all Cath schools are the same. We looked at several. Some still group by ability, e.g., high, medium, low, math and reading groups, as has been the practice for many years. Others don't. If that is a concern the parent(s) should specifically ask that question during their due diligence. If you don't, and have a kid with strong academic drive, it can be frustrating and discouraging for them in that school.

When our kids were in HSD, the district rather secretly switched to a one size fits all format. The teachers charted and kept a special file for each kid showing achievement level and progress. They also kept example assignments in the files. But they stopped posting anything on walls (including honor rolls) that would distinguish any kid, as that was officially deemed "oppressive". And it was made difficult for kids to work above grade level if they have the capability.

HSD offer a "Galactic" program once a week, but frankly, its not enough to feed kid's desires to learn if they are exceptionally driven or "gifted", and even that program has detractors that feel it is "exclusionary" and "oppressive" as is AP in high school.

We literally watched the enthusiasm for school and learning drain from our kids after the "one size fits all" policy was implemented in HSD, because the teachers were consumed with evaluating and trying to help the slow learners and new kids get up to speed. My wife is an educator and during conferences our 4th grader's teacher once told her that some of the kids in the room were literally performing "at best" at a 1st grade level in several subjects, particularly when they first came into the school.

I don't have ill will toward those parents who themselves are uneducated and/or don't value education or work with their kids, or their kids, but IMHO its not fair to the other kids that their education time is lost. Seems to me that is the area that needs to be addressed. But, what do I know, I am one of the oppressors!

Very sad.
Paddock Estate

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Mar 5, 2013
 
I attended St Angela's in Florissant all through grade school as dis 4 of my 5 siblings..the eldest had to go to St Dismas as St Angelas was always a year behind here as it grew, it added another grade on. BEST education ever.All of my siblings are professionals today, a Dr, an Attorney, 2 Nurses that are now administrators, a brother in buisness and well then there is me lol...no really we all graduated a minimum of college....St Angela and the nuns and priests kept us on the straight and narrow as did our parents.
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Mar 5, 2013
 
I will add, that was in the 60's and 70's! Florissant was a different town then. Almost every kid in our neighborhood of Paddock estates went to St Angelas then on to Rosary High school. We took the bus our parents had to pay for, dont know how things are now though i know St Angela is still there. We buried my father from there several years ago.
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Mar 6, 2013
 
Be very careful when considering Sacred Heart in old town. Very bad reputation as far as academics and lagging behind the other Catholic schools in the area....DO YOUR RESEARCH, that's all I'm advising. You may have to go outside your parish and go to Ferdinands or Rose but at least your child won't come out dumber than a box of rocks and will get accepted to one of the private high schools.
TTU

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Mar 7, 2013
 
Sheila wrote:
Be very careful when considering Sacred Heart in old town. Very bad reputation as far as academics and lagging behind the other Catholic schools in the area....DO YOUR RESEARCH, that's all I'm advising. You may have to go outside your parish and go to Ferdinands or Rose but at least your child won't come out dumber than a box of rocks and will get accepted to one of the private high schools.
We looked at SH a few years ago. We didn't choose it, but it seemed pretty good and was highly regarded and recommended at that time. I had not heard any negatives about it prior to this.
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Mar 7, 2013
 
It seemed "pretty good?" That's what I want for my child is a "pretty good" school. TTU, did you ask for test scores and ask where SH ranks among national scores? Did you ask the percentage of 8th graders that go on to IWA, CBC, etc.?? Did you review their curriculum and structure? Call me crazy, but kindergartners shouldn't be learning shapes, colors and numbers, they should be learning to read at that point. At the time we researched EVERY private school in Florissant and SH was quickly taken off the list. Internet reviews were horriable, current parents and parents of graduates seemed dissapointed or disgruntled. We even spoke with college age students who graduated from there who said it was a cake walk and they struggled during their secondary education. We know one family who transferred their child from SH to Norberts and their child had to play catch up! Everyone has every right to choose their own school, all I'm saying is to do your research first!

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