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KNIGHT OF THE WHEEL

United States

#1 Mar 3, 2008
I see activity between Ruiz's lot and Lindbergh re extending the bike trail under Lindbergh. Anyone know the route that the trail will take to the shrine, e.g., will it go under St. Dennis, and when it will be complete?

Since: May 07

Florissant MO

#2 Mar 3, 2008
I think it goes under, if I understood the mayor correctly at one of the meetings. I have no idea when its to be completed.
florissant proud

Blue Springs, MO

#3 Mar 3, 2008
This is the extension of the trail from sunset park. It will go "under" hwy 67 (with Modot approval) and end at the shrine at old st fredinand. I think they will have to cross st dennis (not go under) so i wonder how many accidents they may have. The funding is approved by some state sales tax....so it is just a matter of modot approval, and how much nice weather. They say that the trail will also go along the river at sunset park someday too.
KNIGHT OF THE WHEEL

United States

#4 Mar 3, 2008
Seems logical to put a bike lane along St Ferdinand --Graham--under 270 and along Hanley to Metrolink, either or both Airport N.Hanley station(s).

Since: Feb 08

United States

#5 Mar 3, 2008
Do you really think that the city of Hazelwood and Berkeley would jump on board for a bike path?

And we all know who would take credit for the whole thing.
Pethead

Saint Louis, MO

#6 Mar 3, 2008
KNIGHT OF THE WHEEL wrote:
Seems logical to put a bike lane along St Ferdinand --Graham--under 270 and along Hanley to Metrolink, either or both Airport N.Hanley station(s).
I have no problem making allowances for bike lanes on N. Hanley Road. I do however have a problem with cyclists that don't abide by the rules of the road.
Sitting in traffic during rush hour on Hanley and 270, I have seen cyclists breeze right through the red light at Hanley and Pershall Road, causing traffic turning onto 270 with a green arrow having to stop to avoid hitting them.

And the extra wide shoulder on northbound Hanley and Dunn under the viaduct is used as a bike lane and a cyclist lost control of his bike when someone was making a right turn on eastbound Dunn Road. If a section of road that is off limits to vehicles should also be off limit to bicycles for no other reason than for their safety.

JJH

Since: Oct 07

Florissant, MO

#7 Mar 4, 2008
The trail will go under Lindbergh following Coldwater Creek until the confluence with Fountain Creek. It will then follow Fountain Creek crossing St. Denis and ending at St. Francois.

I work for the Dept of Natural Resources and I have the plans in my office at work.
GolfCarts

Columbia, MO

#8 Mar 4, 2008
are there any plans to clean up the creek? thats always been a big beef of mine, our creeks are so dirty. it would be nice if they looked more scenic for the bike trail. but im not even sure if florissant has control over that, is it MSD?

JJH

Since: Oct 07

Florissant, MO

#9 Mar 4, 2008
GolfCarts wrote:
are there any plans to clean up the creek? thats always been a big beef of mine, our creeks are so dirty. it would be nice if they looked more scenic for the bike trail. but im not even sure if florissant has control over that, is it MSD?
Funny you should mention this. I am in the very beginning stages of setting up a creek clean up of Coldwater Creek and Fountain Creek.

Because of Spring coming though, I am targeting a fall/winter date because it would be almost impossible to clean up the banks with all the spring growth on them.

I am a member of the Missouri Stream Team ( http://www.mostreamteam.org/ ) so I will be using their help, as well as the City of Florissant and anyone else that would want to participate.

I will make a new post once I get things more definite and provide more details.
taxpayer

Silver Plume, CO

#10 Mar 4, 2008
GolfCarts wrote:
are there any plans to clean up the creek? thats always been a big beef of mine, our creeks are so dirty. it would be nice if they looked more scenic for the bike trail. but im not even sure if florissant has control over that, is it MSD?
Yes its MSD.

JJH

Since: Oct 07

Florissant, MO

#11 Mar 4, 2008
taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text> Yes its MSD.
Actually MSD only has regulatory authority over the Storm and Sanitary Sewer system, which many of the smaller tributaries have become when they were channelized. However the creek is considered waters of the State and in order to do any major work in the creek the Army Corps of Engineers and MO Dept of Natural Resources (DNR) must be contacted for various permits. This doesn't include stream clean ups though.

Any work in disturbing the bank of jurisdictional waters of the United States would only be authorized through a 404 permit from the Corps and then a 401 certification through DNR. Any work close to a creek but not within the banks would require a Land Disturbance permit from DNR.

I doubt there would be much beautification with the vegetation on the banks because it is keeping the creek from eroding away the banks.

Long story short.....MSD does not have control of the stream. Technically the State gov and possibly the Fed gov does.
GolfCarts

Vista, CA

#12 Mar 4, 2008
that sounds great. im glad to hear that. id love to help, but if it happens in the winter/fall school will probably interfere. but your right its probably impossible to do in the summer or spring since it grows like crazy.

Since: Feb 08

United States

#13 Mar 4, 2008
I say we use prisioners from the Florisant Jail to help clean up, 8hr day = 2-3 days served. This will get rid of all those FTA warrants.
orion

AOL

#14 Mar 4, 2008
J and J 2000 wrote:
I say we use prisioners from the Florisant Jail to help clean up, 8hr day = 2-3 days served. This will get rid of all those FTA warrants.
Do you guys actually go out looking for people with warrants for speeding tickets?

You have a good idea- we could call it "Volunteers in service to florissant" or VSF for short.

But of course black people arent very good swimmers so we would have to have lifeguards standing by.
Newguy

Davenport, IA

#15 Mar 4, 2008
You continue to show your true colors. If you are one of the few who want so much change in Florissant, the city is in real trouble.
Hmmmmm

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Mar 4, 2008
orion wrote:
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But of course black people arent very good swimmers so we would have to have lifeguards standing by.
How is that NOT racist stereotyping?

What's next, Pollacks are stupid? Italians are all mafia criminals? Jewish people have big noses? Irishmen are all alcoholics? Women can't drive?

Aren't you the same guy that was complaining about being called a racist by some people in one of the other forums?

I think you just showed your true colors.

Since: Feb 08

United States

#17 Mar 4, 2008
We usually don't go door to door, however if you are stopped by an officer for a traffic related offence, it is addressed then.
orion

AOL

#18 Mar 4, 2008
Hmmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
How is that NOT racist stereotyping?
What's next, Pollacks are stupid? Italians are all mafia criminals? Jewish people have big noses? Irishmen are all alcoholics? Women can't drive?
Aren't you the same guy that was complaining about being called a racist by some people in one of the other forums?
I think you just showed your true colors.
Just look at the stats on drownings in our country. They speak for themselves.

Does citing the stat that 80% of black births are out of wedlock make one a racist?

How about the IQ differential?

How about the SAT score differential even among upper class blacks.

How about the wildly disproportionate rate of violent crime?

What about the disproportionate numbers with STDs?

All facts my friends-No they dont reflect favorably on blacks
Drowning

Vista, CA

#19 Mar 4, 2008
and what exactly are the stats on drownings in our country?
Serum Truth

Marthasville, MO

#20 Mar 4, 2008
Yes ladies and gentlemen, this orion character is indeed a racist. He will deny it as he usually does but don't be confused. He is consistently laying down his long winded and beautifully literate diatribe in an over zealous attempt to impress people. Those of us that have witnessed his racially charged rants and bigoted overtones know what kind of enemy he truly is to black people. Now, he and others will attack me for having an IP address which is allocated outside the boundaries of their city. That too seems to be the norm for the exclusive club known as Topix Florissant. It's nice to have the first amendment at ones disposal especially if they post here but don't live in the city of Florissant.

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