Hazelwood School District Will Remain...

Hazelwood School District Will Remain Accredited

There are 23 comments on the Patch.com story from Aug 20, 2012, titled Hazelwood School District Will Remain Accredited. In it, Patch.com reports that:

With the release of the 2012 MAP data Tuesday, it looks like both Florissant school districts remain accredited.

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time to improve

United States

#1 Aug 20, 2012
Parents, teachers, administrators, this should be a wake up call to step up.
how to improve

United States

#2 Aug 22, 2012
How can the parents, the administration, the teachers, and the kids, all collaborate to improve the HSD school district.

Offer suggestions and thoughts.
Marcus Welby

United States

#3 Aug 22, 2012
how to improve wrote:
How can the parents, the administration, the teachers, and the kids, all collaborate to improve the HSD school district.
Offer suggestions and thoughts.
Drastically curtail the students' time spent on cell phones, texting, computer games, and television. Then, get the students to start reading their textbooks.

There's plenty of blame to go around but these kids are a glimpse at the future of our society. SAD!
Old Coot

Florissant, MO

#4 Aug 22, 2012
how to improve wrote:
How can the parents, the administration, the teachers, and the kids, all collaborate to improve the HSD school district.
Offer suggestions and thoughts.
I don't have any kids in school now. But, I will say that people who don't think the school systems affect them because they don't have kids there are missing the point. We're all going to be affected at some level by how well or how badly educated the next generation becomes.

For one thing, what happened to the parents teaching their kids respectful behavior. I work with some folks (parents) who blame the teacher for their kids not learning. And yet these same kids are left to their own devices (literally) for hours and hours. Yeah, I know we all have to earn a living. But, is it that hard to tell your kid, turn off the cell, the TV, the PC or whatever and do homework. Is it that hard to make sure they do it?

The same parents are constantly making allowances (excuses) for their kids bad behavior. Things like, he or she wouldn't have talked back if the teacher would just show them some respect. Are you kidding me? No way would any of my teachers taken sass or disrespect of any kind. And my parents would have made my life a living hell if I had every disrespected any adult, especially a teacher or a police officer. And I did the same with mine.

I see kids who should be in school just wandering the streets. Why?

I say, some of the parents need a big ol' can of whip a** opened on them to get their attention they need to stop being their kids friend and start being a parent or at least a grown up.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Aug 22, 2012
how to improve wrote:
How can the parents, the administration, the teachers, and the kids, all collaborate to improve the HSD school district.
Offer suggestions and thoughts.
Maybe they can slightly improve it, but I am not optimistic. Its the kids and their woefully inadequate "parent" in most cases that is the main problem--any the assembly line that perpetuates this problem.(I know--I've heard it ... crack exposed, blah, blah, blah) Second biggest problem are those attempting to extract $$$$ from the district. Its not just org labor trying to make sure contracts don't go to non-union contractors any more. This is much bigger.

Fix those two problems and you are on your way.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#6 Aug 23, 2012
TTU wrote:
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Maybe they can slightly improve it, but I am not optimistic. Its the kids and their woefully inadequate "parent" in most cases that is the main problem--any the assembly line that perpetuates this problem.(I know--I've heard it ... crack exposed, blah, blah, blah) Second biggest problem are those attempting to extract $$$$ from the district. Its not just org labor trying to make sure contracts don't go to non-union contractors any more. This is much bigger.
Fix those two problems and you are on your way.
No, wait ... better idea! Hire ghost employees!!!
hazelwood taxpayer

Florissant, MO

#7 Aug 25, 2012
TTU wrote:
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Maybe they can slightly improve it, but I am not optimistic. Its the kids and their woefully inadequate "parent" in most cases that is the main problem--any the assembly line that perpetuates this problem.(I know--I've heard it ... crack exposed, blah, blah, blah) Second biggest problem are those attempting to extract $$$$ from the district. Its not just org labor trying to make sure contracts don't go to non-union contractors any more. This is much bigger.
Fix those two problems and you are on your way.
@What do you mean by bigger?
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#8 Aug 27, 2012
hazelwood taxpayer wrote:
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@What do you mean by bigger?
First, you and every other interested taxpayer in the district should read the HSD bidding rules on its website. Essentially, it is a set aside program for ALL contracts awarded by the district. In a nutshell, ALL bidders must either be MBE (minority business enterprise) as certified by certain minority organizations--not a government agency, or they must use at least a certain percent MBE sub contractors and/or have a certain percent minority employees.

The rules say that if a bidder doesn't certify this status in their bid submissions the bid will be rejected as non-conforming. But, keep in mind that the district can elect to accept bids, essentially waiving the requirements at their discretion.

The first problem (as explained to me by a lawyer interested in this matter) is that any minority set aside such as this is legally required to be only a remedy to a past history of discrimination, which must be documented, and the program must be narrowly tailored to remedy the past discrimination and of a set length. Are you aware of any such discrimination? I am not. This appears more a case of a majority minority district wanting set asides for their co-racials. Under current law, if challenged in court, the program would likely be ruled unlawful.

So, potentially, non conforming bidders who would otherwise be entitled to win contracts with the district, could be ruled ineligible, and their bids thrown out. If this occurs, as the number of thrown out bids grows, the district's potential exposure to lawsuits grows. And we are talking about big dollars, food service, construction, technology, educational materials,... everything the district buys.

To avoid or mitigate that occurrence, the district holds mandatory bidder conferences where the virtues of diversity are extolled, and would be bidders that don't conform to the minority standards are encouraged not to bid, thereby hopefully avoiding the above problem of thrown out bids. My lawyer friend did not know whether this practice by itself is unlawful or not, but if it is ruled so, there is more exposure.

First potential problem is that as companies are encouraged not to bid, the potential pool of bidding companies shrinks on various contracts. Likely outcome is higher prices.

Second and much greater potential problem is the exposure for lost contracts based on actual rejections. If the policy is actually implemented on a wide basis, the exposure is vast.

I add that this is not isolated to this district, these programs are being promulgated around the country in minority majority districts. I am told that law firms are aware of it and are watching closely. They are not likely virtuous enough to take action just to get the rules thrown out. It is likely that they are waiting until they have some big cash meat to go after and then will sign up clients and file suit and the real fun will begin.


non competitive

United States

#9 Aug 27, 2012
hazelwood taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>@What do you mean by bigger?
Union labor and or minority labor are the only considered contractors. All non union or small business is restricted from contract awards
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Aug 27, 2012
non competitive wrote:
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Union labor and or minority labor are the only considered contractors. All non union or small business is restricted from contract awards
Largely true. As I understand it, there are some small non-minority contractors doing IT, etc. But perhaps not for long if the MBE policies are fully implemented.
Concerned

Saint Peters, MO

#11 Aug 28, 2012
Either you people can't read or that you're so ignorant of the problem and topic that your posting under. The topic is that the School district barely was accredited. What in the hell does that have to do with contracts, bidding by minorities etc. The main problem is being missed. The reason for the narrow passing grade by the State is hat the children have barely made passing grades in 9 out the 12 categories of studies. First look at the population shift in the school districts. They are majorly black now. The school district, teachers, staff and curriculum has not changed but the students have. You don't see St Charles schools being in the academic probation, unlike St Louis, Jennings, Normandy etc.
Nope

Florissant, MO

#12 Aug 28, 2012
Concerned wrote:
Either you people can't read or that you're so ignorant of the problem and topic that your posting under. The topic is that the School district barely was accredited. What in the hell does that have to do with contracts, bidding by minorities etc. The main problem is being missed. The reason for the narrow passing grade by the State is hat the children have barely made passing grades in 9 out the 12 categories of studies. First look at the population shift in the school districts. They are majorly black now. The school district, teachers, staff and curriculum has not changed but the students have. You don't see St Charles schools being in the academic probation, unlike St Louis, Jennings, Normandy etc.
You don't see that...just teacher's aides being arrested for statutory rape of a 16-year-old student. And then there's those nine students who died from an overdose of heroin. But, maybe they had good grades and were white. Some black drug dealer probably forced them to get addicted. Yeah, that's what happened.

You should be worrying about problems in your own schools and your own area instead of pointless arguing.
time for shake up

AOL

#13 Aug 28, 2012
Maybe it is time for a shake up in the district. Time to shake up the administration. If the district is slipping and failing under the guidance of this administratin, well, then maybe it is time for a leadership change.
Might be time for a real education expert instead of political or correctness expert.
When companies fail, the board changes leaders.
So Sad

Florissant, MO

#14 Aug 28, 2012
Concerned wrote:
The school district, teachers, staff and curriculum has not changed but the students have. You don't see St Charles schools being in the academic probation, unlike St Louis, Jennings, Normandy etc.
"The school district, teachers, staff and curriculum has not changed" -- Wrong. The caliber of teachers in the district began to fall off in the mid-90s (This applies to other districts as well). Hazelwood has been screwing with the curriculum for some time now. For example, teaching investigative math which has not been proven to work, not allowing students to bring books home. Now I hear they are revamping language arts.

"You don't see St Charles schools being in the academic probation"
Not true, drill down to the school level within some of the St. Charles districts. I have posted stats on other threads.
Shakeup at HSD

AOL

#15 Aug 31, 2012
The school board has removed the current superindendent, Mr. Price.
Let the shakeup begin.
Disgusted

United States

#16 Aug 31, 2012
Priceless (literally). There is no turning this ship around. I love how they keep promoting utter failures like Ingrid Clark-Jackson. Take a look at Riverview Gardens, because that is the future of the once proud HSD, and it won't be long. The Board grows dumber by the day.
taxpayer expense

United States

#17 Sep 1, 2012
Disgusted wrote:
Priceless (literally). There is no turning this ship around. I love how they keep promoting utter failures like Ingrid Clark-Jackson. Take a look at Riverview Gardens, because that is the future of the once proud HSD, and it won't be long. The Board grows dumber by the day.
I wonder how much this is costing us taxpayers? I bet the bill far exceeds $400,000 or more. Maybe much more.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Sep 1, 2012
As predicted.

The district is on course for state takeover.

Its just a question of when. Watch the finances--contracts--for clues.

The games have begun! Touche!
taxpayer expense

United States

#19 Sep 4, 2012
Board hired him.
Board fired him.
Taxpayers will pay.
Mark

Florissant, MO

#20 Sep 4, 2012
There is no gory, cover-up, secret that a handful, crave in order to keep the discussion going. For those who wish to know the current facts simply attend the school board meeting tonight at 630 PM. For those who wish to continue to criticize the school district, simply wait for the media’s spin.

The school board made a proactive decision based on its desire to improve academic achievement. All 500+ school districts in Missouri are in the same situation. All Missouri school districts are making changes and this is due to Federal and state regulations of which many do not understand. Local boards have limited power. Their jobs are to oversee local policies and local tax dollars being spent. Local boards do not have control on Federal and state requirements.

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