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stop the mayor

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#1 Nov 1, 2012
Mayor Snyder is supporting a low income section 8 housing project in Florissant. Tell the mayor No Low Income housing.

What is he thinking?
resident

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Nov 1, 2012
I just heard about this development in the City of Florissant. "no" in the City of florissant or north county. enough said...."NO" what or where did this come from in city hall. mayor snyder probably will not responding or stnad up--you think?
So Sad

Florissant, MO

#3 Nov 1, 2012
Will it fall in the Ferguson-Florissant or Hazelwood school district?
So Sad

Florissant, MO

#4 Nov 1, 2012
Section 8 developers should go west. It's cheaper.
Some Section 8 is designated for elderly only. Need more details.
stop the mayor

United States

#5 Nov 1, 2012
So Sad wrote:
Section 8 developers should go west. It's cheaper.
Some Section 8 is designated for elderly only. Need more details.
Yes, I am sure there will be plenty of 55+ moving from north St louis to fill the space. The rent is set at $475 month with section 8 voucher.
stop the mayor

United States

#6 Nov 1, 2012
So Sad wrote:
Will it fall in the Ferguson-Florissant or Hazelwood school district?
Ferg Flor
Complaint

Florissant, MO

#7 Nov 1, 2012
Any complaint should be submitted in writing to the following address:

City of Florissant
Housing and Community Development Office
1055 rue St. Francois
Florissant, MO 63031
Resident

Florissant, MO

#8 Nov 1, 2012
"There is currently no Public Housing Authority or Public Housing Developments in the
City limits of Florissant. However, the city is served by the Housing Authority of St.
Louis County and they have been classified as a “High Performer”. It was noted
through previous studies that the North County area held the largest percentage of
all Section 8 and public housing units in St. Louis County. North County
communities are providing for the housing needs of low-income families in the St.
Louis County area."
http://www.florissantmo.com/cd/_6_%20DRAFT%20...
miss pickle

United States

#9 Nov 2, 2012
There is Section 8 already here in Florissant. Chez Paree Apts,GrandView Garden Apartments to name a couple of Complexes.Section 8 doesn't go by color but income;and many seniors could benefit from section 8 .Some may say "Oh, those seniors want everything "free"including "cheaper rent"!
The truth of he matter is "seniors have put in their hard working hours and they have earned what ever little bit they can get back from the Government. Section 8 doesn't have to mean "ghetto". It's up to our residents,Florissant Council, and St.Louis County to keep our city "clean" and "attractive".
stop the mayor

United States

#11 Nov 2, 2012
Everyone needs to lobby there council person on this issue. The mayor is diving this bus and must be stopped.

Call, write, email, fax, blog, go to meetings and speak.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#12 Nov 2, 2012
I have several recipients of the St Louis County Mo down payment assistance loans around my FLOMO house (actually adjacent unincorp StLCounty). Supposedly they have to meet certain income requirements. In my conversations with those recipients, I have found that they have very low, unsteady income, and basically had to show up with less than $200 at closing to obtain a house. From what I have been told by them, the down payment loan is forgiven if they stay in the house for 5 years, which is a dubious proposition by my estimation.

All of these recipients have been black women with children. All of the houses could use substantial work--40+ year old windows and doors, old gutters, old siding, old furnaces and AC, old wiring, old plumbing. I have no idea what they will do if any of this stuff breaks.

Re this FLOMO HUD program that is the topic of this thread, at present, it is essentially $240,000/year paid to the city to dole out to homeowners to fix things. The city keeps about $48,000 to manage the program. I presume some elderly long time homeowners will be recipients. But I suspect that the real goal is to provide a pot of cash to subsidize the same kind of home ownership programs that I have observed in my FLOMO neighborhood.

Question is, is this a good idea? Plucking single mothers with poor job skills and prospects out of Berkeley, Normandy, Northwoods, etc., and dropping them into FLOMO neighborhoods, with poor transportation options, old, high maintenance houses, and expecting them to prosper? Does anybody think that's going to work out? Has it worked out anywhere else--any pilot programs that have been successful?
low income housing

Florissant, MO

#14 Nov 3, 2012
And the mayor is supporting it?
stop the mayor

United States

#15 Nov 3, 2012
low income housing wrote:
And the mayor is supporting it?
Yes he is.

Contact your council rep
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#16 Nov 3, 2012
November 3
Let me make one thing perfectly clear. This developer has not officially approached the city’s legislative body. HE has not approached or submitted anything,(as the first step of a process) to the planning and zoning department. Subsequently City Council members (formally) have no information or knowledge about this project. The developer (due to the nature of funding) must first secure this special funding which is unconventional. Due to this process there is a list of MHDC (Participant Standards) page 3, of the Qualified Allocation Plan that must be met. Items 7 on page 3 states ; “Applicant must provide evidence the local legislative body (for example: City Council members) has been informed applicant has requested a letter of support from the chief executive officer of the local jurisdiction (for example: Mayor). Mayor does not need council's approval. So only one council member (I am aware of)(ward 6) was notified that the mayor was going to be asked for a letter “to support”. In order to provide a (complete application) the mayor (HAD) to provide a letter of (support). This is required and a complete application to MHDC was submitted otherwise there would not have been a public hearing Wednesday night.

Also a point of clarification. This property owner has applied for (LIHTC) Low Income Housing Tax Credits. Tax credits are a (funding subsidy) allocated by the IRS, HUD, and MHDC agent. If a (funding subsidy) is approved it is designated for low income housing.(LIHTC) is a FINANCIAL INCENTIVE for the creation and maintenance of quality market appropriate affordable housing. In other words, this location, qualifies for low-income tenants. It is at the discretion of the property owner to accept tenants at the age of 55 and older. The property owner (after MHDC approval) to build low-income housing rental units (un owner occupied) CAN NOT discriminate against a section 8 voucher holder if they are 55 years of age or older. The owner’s development is not solely intended to be exclusively for section 8 voucher holders, although - housing authority organizations who work with low income people will supply needy tenants to this location. A St. Louis list of housing authority placement organizations can be found on HUDs website.

The only one who consistently insists this is a good project is our Mayor Tom Schneider. The City Council as a whole has not been fully informed about this project by the Mayor. As the previous developer and owner of this property, YES I could have done the same thing but chose not to. Even though the (owner occupied) real estate market went to hell AND property values plummeted, I was not going to attempt to PROFIT on the backs of the citizens of Florissant. I did NOT (SELL OUT) my community. Mark Behlmann
Ha Ha

Brighton, MO

#18 Nov 3, 2012
Mark B wrote:
November 3
Let me make one thing perfectly clear. This developer has not officially approached the city’s legislative body. HE has not approached or submitted anything,(as the first step of a process) to the planning and zoning department. Subsequently City Council members (formally) have no information or knowledge about this project. The developer (due to the nature of funding) must first secure this special funding which is unconventional. Due to this process there is a list of MHDC (Participant Standards) page 3, of the Qualified Allocation Plan that must be met. Items 7 on page 3 states ; “Applicant must provide evidence the local legislative body (for example: City Council members) has been informed applicant has requested a letter of support from the chief executive officer of the local jurisdiction (for example: Mayor). Mayor does not need council's approval. So only one council member (I am aware of)(ward 6) was notified that the mayor was going to be asked for a letter “to support”. In order to provide a (complete application) the mayor (HAD) to provide a letter of (support). This is required and a complete application to MHDC was submitted otherwise there would not have been a public hearing Wednesday night.

Also a point of clarification. This property owner has applied for (LIHTC) Low Income Housing Tax Credits. Tax credits are a (funding subsidy) allocated by the IRS, HUD, and MHDC agent. If a (funding subsidy) is approved it is designated for low income housing.(LIHTC) is a FINANCIAL INCENTIVE for the creation and maintenance of quality market appropriate affordable housing. In other words, this location, qualifies for low-income tenants. It is at the discretion of the property owner to accept tenants at the age of 55 and older. The property owner (after MHDC approval) to build low-income housing rental units (un owner occupied) CAN NOT discriminate against a section 8 voucher holder if they are 55 years of age or older. The ownerÂ’s development is not solely intended to be exclusively for section 8 voucher holders, although - housing authority organizations who work with low income people will supply needy tenants to this location. A St. Louis list of housing authority placement organizations can be found on HUDs website.

The only one who consistently insists this is a good project is our Mayor Tom Schneider. The City Council as a whole has not been fully informed about this project by the Mayor. As the previous developer and owner of this property, YES I could have done the same thing but chose not to. Even though the (owner occupied) real estate market went to hell AND property values plummeted, I was not going to attempt to PROFIT on the backs of the citizens of Florissant. I did NOT (SELL OUT) my community. Mark Behlmann
Where is this property located?
In the Know

Fenton, MO

#19 Nov 5, 2012
This is NOT a section 8 proposal. This is a beautiful LIHTC complex for people over 55 years old. There is an income limit, but the tenants pay the full rent. Most retired seniors will easily qualify for these units.

We lived in Florissant and moved into a similar developments by this same builder and developer and it is incredible.

Please open your eyes and understand who has started this opposition. Do they have alternative motives? Are they simply against a development that would replace their ill conceived disaster that the bank took back from them?

We got tired of looking at the failed 3 story monument to poor planning, with its siding flapping in the wind. It is the true embarrassment to Florissant.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK. IT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO VIEW OTHER DEVELOPMENTS FOR YOURSELF. DO NOT LISTEN OR BELEIVE WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU ON TOPIX. IF YOU REALLY CARE, LOOK FOR YOURSELF.
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

#20 Nov 5, 2012
In the Know wrote:
This is NOT a section 8 proposal. This is a beautiful LIHTC complex for people over 55 years old. There is an income limit, but the tenants pay the full rent. Most retired seniors will easily qualify for these units.
We lived in Florissant and moved into a similar developments by this same builder and developer and it is incredible.
Please open your eyes and understand who has started this opposition. Do they have alternative motives? Are they simply against a development that would replace their ill conceived disaster that the bank took back from them?
We got tired of looking at the failed 3 story monument to poor planning, with its siding flapping in the wind. It is the true embarrassment to Florissant.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK. IT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO VIEW OTHER DEVELOPMENTS FOR YOURSELF. DO NOT LISTEN OR BELEIVE WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU ON TOPIX. IF YOU REALLY CARE, LOOK FOR YOURSELF.
Thank you for stating facts rather than rumors. The development is indeed for 55 and over not for single mothers, persons on public assistance, etc. Although I suppose some people consider some SS benefits such as SSDI as public assistance.

It is my understanding that the housing development and the residents will be similar to St.Patrick's Senior Retirement complex. St.Pat's is an archdiocese community although residents do not need to be Catholic or of any faith to live there. The rents are based upon total income of the person applying for housing.

I realize there are problems with several apartment/condo complexes withing the city limits and I think more enforcement of the city housing codes needs to be done. However, rumors and suppositions such as some of the posts contain are not helpful in solving any of the problems of the city. People should, as noted by other posters be sure of their facts before getting upset and passing on faulty information.
miss pickle

United States

#22 Nov 8, 2012
I have faith in our mayor and know he would not stand for any project that would jeopardize our city. Thank you or stating facts rather than rumors. St.Patrick's is a wonderful place and i am sure other's will be as nice.
so sorry

Florissant, MO

#23 Nov 8, 2012
miss pickle wrote:
I have faith in our mayor and know he would not stand for any project that would jeopardize our city. Thank you or stating facts rather than rumors. St.Patrick's is a wonderful place and i am sure other's will be as nice.
Sorry miss pickle but I think they had you in mind when they put in a clueless button.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#24 Nov 8, 2012
In the know; do you know what LIHTC stands for?= Low Income Housing Tax Credits. Please review www.mhdc.com , Missouri Housing Development Commission Low-Income Housing Tax Credit Program Compliance Monitoring Manual, it is 128 pages that you can read online. Several pages specifically discuss Section 8. Bellmeave is without a doubt a good looking development off of Mid Rivers Mall Drive, although, out there you do not have public transportation. Also please state what your rent payment is at that location. I have not hidden who I am and I have clearly stated what my motives are.
I have OPPOSED low-income apartment (non owner occupied) developments of all types publicly since 1995. Several residents from the immediate community requested, I get involved on their behalf. If you would like to know the facts about what you consider “ill conceived disaster” please e-mail me [email protected] I doubt seriously you know anything about me.

Nikki; yes this development is for 55 years and older tenants who very well could be a single mother who also receives public assistance. Public assistance subsidy is considered income when calculating total income in order to be certified as a low-income tenant. All potential tenants for this development must provide all necessary documentation verifying income in order to become certified. This project is not similar to Saint Patrick’s, although Saint Patrick’s also receives MHDC financial subsidy financing. I fully agree people need to check their facts before wildly spreading rumors. That is why I have provided the necessary resources for anyone to see for themselves.

This project proposal submitted to MHDC for Low Income Housing Tax Credit financing has been PULLED from funding consideration by the developer/owner on November 6. Mark Behlmann

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