Enforce the lawn/yard rules

Enforce the lawn/yard rules

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SheCarries

Puxico, MO

#1 May 19, 2013
I have noticed, lately, that there are so many lawns that are way too long. There's a house on St. Anthony, the grass is about 3 feet high.
The neighbors behind me, have a mattress & box springs leaning up against their house, along with a big pile of God knows what, on the side of their house.
Aren't their rules for this sort of thing? AND what about Christmas lights still hanging? After January 20, they should be ticketed.
I love my house, and my neighborhood, but it makes the 'hood look really bad when you have these things going on.
Comments, anyone?
metoo

Florissant, MO

#2 May 19, 2013
SheCarries wrote:
I have noticed, lately, that there are so many lawns that are way too long. There's a house on St. Anthony, the grass is about 3 feet high.
The neighbors behind me, have a mattress & box springs leaning up against their house, along with a big pile of God knows what, on the side of their house.
Aren't their rules for this sort of thing? AND what about Christmas lights still hanging? After January 20, they should be ticketed.
I love my house, and my neighborhood, but it makes the 'hood look really bad when you have these things going on.
Comments, anyone?
This all goes back to the mayor. He could care less and is an unqualified to hold this office. Voters were warned ahead of the election.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#3 May 20, 2013
SheCarries wrote:
I have noticed, lately, that there are so many lawns that are way too long. There's a house on St. Anthony, the grass is about 3 feet high.
The neighbors behind me, have a mattress & box springs leaning up against their house, along with a big pile of God knows what, on the side of their house.
Aren't their rules for this sort of thing? AND what about Christmas lights still hanging? After January 20, they should be ticketed.
I love my house, and my neighborhood, but it makes the 'hood look really bad when you have these things going on.
Comments, anyone?
i agree, junk sitting all around the city. why are tickets not being written? the house next to me their dogs have huge holes dug in the yard and shit every where. no one does anything about it and this is why the city is the way it is. the people across the street throw food out on the front lawn thinking they are feeding the birds. but all they are doing is feeding the rats.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#4 May 20, 2013
Folks, please understand it is less than two years away for mayor election (2015). Last week city hall “from the office of the public works director” put out a public memo about grass height. The memo acknowledged the usual wet weather conditions but also forewarned residents of grass-ordinances. What I found unusual “but understanding” this memo did not come from the mayor’s office. I believe it should have come straight from the mayor. But I understand the reason. He does not want to take responsibility (doing his job) telling residents of the city what their responsibilities are in fear of losing a vote.
Respect Is Earned

Florissant, MO

#5 May 20, 2013
I know the Keeven/Blanchette area just got hit hard by the city. There were notices all over last week.
It's been growing like crazy with all the rain, but if people would just get off their lazy @sses every 4 or 5 days it takes a lot less time to mow, doesn't kill your mower, and looks better all around.
And if you're so busy 'working' that you don't have enough time, then maybe find a neighborhood kid who actually want's to EARN a few bucks and be done with it.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#6 May 21, 2013
Respect Is Earned wrote:
I know the Keeven/Blanchette area just got hit hard by the city. There were notices all over last week.
It's been growing like crazy with all the rain, but if people would just get off their lazy @sses every 4 or 5 days it takes a lot less time to mow, doesn't kill your mower, and looks better all around.
And if you're so busy 'working' that you don't have enough time, then maybe find a neighborhood kid who actually want's to EARN a few bucks and be done with it.
I fully agree. Ward 3 has a council representative that truly understands the meaning of upholding the rules and regulations. He is also not concern about making friends with the voters at the cost of others. Administration needs to simply uphold and enforce rules regulations and ordinances currently in place, that is their JOB.
She Carries

Saint Louis, MO

#8 May 21, 2013
I would love to send a list of homes to the Inspector, so these homes are dealt with properly, but I hate to be known as "oh, it's her again, she's always bitching about that." Seems as if you lose your credibility when you become a constant complainer, but enough is enough. Still unsure of how I'm going to deal my the list I've started.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#9 May 21, 2013
There are only a few who have criticized or been critical more than me. People need to be vigilant, take a stand, and get involved for the sake of their community. If you have complaints, they should be turned into the mayor’s office and you should expect a response. Administration needs to be held accountable such as anyone else at their place of employment. Although, I do understand the meaning of retaliation and a vindictive officeholder. There is always a price to pay trying to be a responsible person these days. If I can help I will be glad to do so.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#10 May 22, 2013
She Carries wrote:
I would love to send a list of homes to the Inspector, so these homes are dealt with properly, but I hate to be known as "oh, it's her again, she's always bitching about that." Seems as if you lose your credibility when you become a constant complainer, but enough is enough. Still unsure of how I'm going to deal my the list I've started.
why don't we start putting the address's on here and the health dept. can drive by and take a look. they don't seem to be doing anything else. i don't see anything wrong with doing this.
Hmmm

Florissant, MO

#11 May 22, 2013
hardhead wrote:
<quoted text> why don't we start putting the address's on here and the health dept. can drive by and take a look. they don't seem to be doing anything else. i don't see anything wrong with doing this.
Make sure you include all those seniors who can't afford someone to do yard work or whatever needs doing. And don't forget, there are probably some of those slackers in wheel chairs or on oxygen or something, get them too. I'll betcha the only people you'll report are blacks, though.

BTW, why do any of you think your claims of being a good citizen are accepted as truths? No one knows who you really are, so there is no way to tell how you live. One's character usually influences their choice of words, so it's not too hard to figure out what several of you are like.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#12 May 23, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Make sure you include all those seniors who can't afford someone to do yard work or whatever needs doing. And don't forget, there are probably some of those slackers in wheel chairs or on oxygen or something, get them too. I'll betcha the only people you'll report are blacks, though.
BTW, why do any of you think your claims of being a good citizen are accepted as truths? No one knows who you really are, so there is no way to tell how you live. One's character usually influences their choice of words, so it's not too hard to figure out what several of you are like.
what do you wanna do let a jungle grow up around you? we are ready have enough monkeys here now. you have to keep up the neigborhood or your property will be worth less than it is now.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#13 May 23, 2013
“Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly”!!! As the administrative leader of the city how can this go unnoticed? Community residents of all walks of life need help and assistance. What amazed me in past years the city of Florissant had an out of state church group that came to our city to do volunteer work, helping those in need.“Out of state church group”? WE ARE NOT DETROIT ! But obviously there was a need. They no longer come here. A good city leader should be working tirelessly on solving community issues. SOLUTIONS what are needed as a course of action right or wrong. By doing nothing has a worse impact. The courts can persuade dead beats to do community service. Administration has the resources to formulate a plan legally and equitably to have community service participants do outside needed chores. I understand that there would be challenges, but people need to get involved and think of possibilities. City administration is fearful of doing anything that may make them look bad.
The Central Scrutinzer

Saint Louis, MO

#14 May 23, 2013
Mark B Speaks the truth.
the city still has potential for good but it's really slipped into a sorry state and unfortunately the only way to make it better is be proactive.
The sad truth is that if you see crime you can't always count on the police dept to automatically handle it - you have to be an active participant in the Neighborhood Watch program and REPORT IT!!

Now the same is true with code enforcement and health concearns such as high grass/weeds.
If you see a problem go to the city Health Dept @ St Ferdinand Park or Public Works @ City Hall and file a formal complaint in writing, with pictures. They can't keep denying this stuff. And most importantly, follow up with them after a week or two and find out how it's been resolved. You'd be surprised how much paperwork get lost in this city.
Stay on top of them!!
TTU

Ballwin, MO

#15 May 23, 2013
Mark B wrote:
“Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly”!!! As the administrative leader of the city how can this go unnoticed? Community residents of all walks of life need help and assistance. What amazed me in past years the city of Florissant had an out of state church group that came to our city to do volunteer work, helping those in need.“Out of state church group”? WE ARE NOT DETROIT ! But obviously there was a need. They no longer come here. A good city leader should be working tirelessly on solving community issues. SOLUTIONS what are needed as a course of action right or wrong. By doing nothing has a worse impact. The courts can persuade dead beats to do community service. Administration has the resources to formulate a plan legally and equitably to have community service participants do outside needed chores. I understand that there would be challenges, but people need to get involved and think of possibilities. City administration is fearful of doing anything that may make them look bad.
I don't know if that is such a good idea.

By the looks of some of those court invitees hanging around FLOMO city hall on court nites, I don't think it would be wise to send them to the homes of FLOMO infirm and oldsters to do work. I think that they would just case the joints and come back later and do some bad stuff. With them, I think I would stick to fining them and maybe let them serve some time in a lockup if they can't pay. And encourage them to ply their trade elsewhere. I hear Kinloch is a good place.

All of the high schoolers need service hours. And the Boy Scouts Order of the Arrow guys do service projects all the time. I'd recommend them, with maybe some kind of good will donation in return.

I'd check with the scout leaders and maybe somebody at NC Christian, Grace, and Trinity Cath HS.
TTU

Ballwin, MO

#16 May 23, 2013
You know, another thing that would be good for FLOMO would be to put some cameras on the Metro bus shelters and get some video of the litterers.

You could have volunteers scan the videos and and pick out the chronic offenders and when they come around. Then wait for them and hit em with fines. You could also stake them out and fine em on the spot.

I hate to sound like a pickass, but those bus shelters are becoming bio hazards with all of the chicken bones all over. I like to walk down Lindbergh, but seeing all those greasy bones all over the Metro stops is nasty.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#17 May 23, 2013
TTU wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if that is such a good idea.
By the looks of some of those court invitees hanging around FLOMO city hall on court nites, I don't think it would be wise to send them to the homes of FLOMO infirm and oldsters to do work. I think that they would just case the joints and come back later and do some bad stuff. With them, I think I would stick to fining them and maybe let them serve some time in a lockup if they can't pay. And encourage them to ply their trade elsewhere. I hear Kinloch is a good place.
All of the high schoolers need service hours. And the Boy Scouts Order of the Arrow guys do service projects all the time. I'd recommend them, with maybe some kind of good will donation in return.
I'd check with the scout leaders and maybe somebody at NC Christian, Grace, and Trinity Cath HS.
As I stated, I understand that there are challenges. I don’t believe at this time the courts are willing to put people in lock up (at additional cost to taxpayers) when they are currently over filled and releasing more severe violators back to the general public. I know a plan can be put in place. We did it at the Hazelwood school district. The first public school district in the state mandating community service hours in order to graduate, regardless. The first step, is to assemble a committee (team) with well rounded expertise, knowledge and experience. Present this team with one singular charge. It seems to me,“getting the grass cut”, or “property exterior maintenance items corrected”, or “charging certain types of offenders a payment reimbursement option of community service” is a whole lot easier to plan for then how to put a man on the Moon. I realize these are two extremely different goals, but the fact still remains, everything needs to be considered, and an enforceable plan be put in place. A plan would require an assessment, accountability, management and a full review. This is achievable.
The Central Scrutinzer

Saint Louis, MO

#18 May 23, 2013
Actually the city of Flor has a good plan - taken verbatim from the Health Dept:
"When a complaint comes into our office we create a work order, the inspector will then check for violations. If there are violations, a letter is sent to the owner with a date to make the correction. The City will then re-inspect the property with another letter that will be sent and after that date if the violations are still there a summons will be issued. The Health Department will check the grass and leave a notice of (7) days that the grass must be cut, and if it is not the Health Department will cut it and charge the home owner."

Sounds very straight-forward to me.
The problem is the city is not following through on there end, I do know for a fact that the paperwork that is generated mysteriously falls through the cracks.
As i stated earlier - due diligence on these people, this what we pay them for!!!
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#19 May 23, 2013
TTU wrote:
You know, another thing that would be good for FLOMO would be to put some cameras on the Metro bus shelters and get some video of the litterers.
You could have volunteers scan the videos and and pick out the chronic offenders and when they come around. Then wait for them and hit em with fines. You could also stake them out and fine em on the spot.
I hate to sound like a pickass, but those bus shelters are becoming bio hazards with all of the chicken bones all over. I like to walk down Lindbergh, but seeing all those greasy bones all over the Metro stops is nasty.
take a look at the metro bus stop behind the burger king in florissant oaks shopping center, what a mess and the police is there all the time.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#20 May 23, 2013
The Central Scrutinzer wrote:
Actually the city of Flor has a good plan - taken verbatim from the Health Dept:
"When a complaint comes into our office we create a work order, the inspector will then check for violations. If there are violations, a letter is sent to the owner with a date to make the correction. The City will then re-inspect the property with another letter that will be sent and after that date if the violations are still there a summons will be issued. The Health Department will check the grass and leave a notice of (7) days that the grass must be cut, and if it is not the Health Department will cut it and charge the home owner."
Sounds very straight-forward to me.
The problem is the city is not following through on there end, I do know for a fact that the paperwork that is generated mysteriously falls through the cracks.
As i stated earlier - due diligence on these people, this what we pay them for!!!
why can't the health dept. take a ride though the city and put notices on homes with violations? i ve seen one house that has had the guttering and fascia falling off for a few years now and they have big partys so they have the money to repair, they just don't care.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#21 May 23, 2013
hardhead wrote:
<quoted text> take a look at the metro bus stop behind the burger king in florissant oaks shopping center, what a mess and the police is there all the time.
The one's I've already seen are bad enough.

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