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GAD

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#1 Mar 13, 2007
Car jackings,drive by shootings,11 year old shot in Wellston,young brother killed in Edmundson,teacher burns student,women convicted of abusing son,Pine Lawn man accused of murder,Man who killed women on mall parking lot returned to St Louis for crime,rape of old woman in Florissant,student shooting out side of McLure high in Florissant.What do all these stories have in common?ALL BLACK!Why? Why does this violent behavior always seem to be done by blacks? I for one don't have enough time left to get a handle on this crap so my best solution is for blacks and whites to stay as far away from each other as possible.We whites will flee and you blacks can keep on killing each other,hows that work for you?
tax payer

United States

#2 Mar 13, 2007
that is why the people in florissant are moving out of the city,
SMN48

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#3 Mar 13, 2007
whoa! first off the shooting was in McCluer North, where there was another murder 12 years ago that I will leave off topic. Im only 21, but I do understand the history of this problem. Areas such as Normandy and Wellston were great places to live from right after WW2 to about the early 1980s. From the late 50s to the early 80s, florissant was a booming town, with new housing, usually to fit families of 4-6. The town stayed steady through the early turn of this decade, while towns south of Florissant had been witnessing extreme decay and a falling economy. Yesterday, I actually drove down target drive, which used to be the place to go to for retail and entertainment. It included a taco bell, movie theater, chuck-e-cheese, childrens palace, and most noticable, a target. Going through that same order yesterday, I saw a popyes, a large building for lease, a 29.99 dollar shoe store, a closed down skating rink with worn out castle towers, and a church with an incredibly large parking lot. The dilapadated fencing that was used to help a horrible situation some years ago and cracked pavement with grass growing out was enough to make me sick. Most of that area is unincorporated part of North St. Louis County, and is a small part of many retail and suburban areas that have met their maker in recent years. Others include Northland, Jamestown Mall, and Northwest Plaza. The conflict: rising crime and a sense of more diversity arriving in these areas from the city. American families dont want to deal with that if there is nothing being done with the problem. They will move elsewhere. That situation was not major with Florissant until the beginning of the decade. Mayor Eagan knew how to handle these situations. He always made sure citizens were happy, even if they did not agree with everything he stood for. The police Dept. was filled with smart veterans that knew when there was a problem and how to fix it. Unfortunately, mayor eagan died and we thought we had a good replacement with bob lowery. More unfortunately, all Lowery was worried about was taking credit for Eagans final accomplishments (including the cross keys shopping center), building new houses in nice open space, while leaving existing houses become vacant and decay, increasing his salary while forcing veteran cops to move or retire from cutbacks in their salary(thus the rise in crime), and putting signs up all over the city to make sure outsiders would know who our mayor was. Nice apartments in town turned to section 8 resulting in oversized groups of families arriving and kids who would cause problems making florissant look like some of our suburban areas south of us (or at least the beginning stages of). These problems are not too late to fix, mainly because St. Charles county and other areas are not as affordable to our newer generations such as myself. Also, our traffic problem is no where near the problem they have. All we have to do is tweak a few things, re develop properties that already exist for a new generation of families, and most important, GET RID OF THE CURRENT MAYOR!!!
SMN48

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#4 Mar 13, 2007
whoa! first off the shooting was in McCluer North, where there was another murder 12 years ago that I will leave off topic. Im only 21, but I do understand the history of this problem. Areas such as Normandy and Wellston were great places to live from right after WW2 to about the early 1980s. From the late 50s to the early 80s, florissant was a booming town, with new housing, usually to fit families of 4-6. The town stayed steady through the early turn of this decade, while towns south of Florissant had been witnessing extreme decay and a falling economy. Yesterday, I actually drove down target drive, which used to be the place to go to for retail and entertainment. It included a taco bell, movie theater, chuck-e-cheese, childrens palace, and most noticable, a target. Going through that same order yesterday, I saw a popyes, a large building for lease, a 29.99 dollar shoe store, a closed down skating rink with worn out castle towers, and a church with an incredibly large parking lot. The dilapadated fencing that was used to help a horrible situation some years ago and cracked pavement with grass growing out was enough to make me sick. Most of that area is unincorporated part of North St. Louis County, and is a small part of many retail and suburban areas that have met their maker in recent years. Others include Northland, Jamestown Mall, and Northwest Plaza.
tax payer

United States

#5 Mar 13, 2007
MAYOR LOWERY,like it when the white people move out of the city,that way he know more blacks will move in,pretty soon florissant will be all black.
Nancy

United States

#6 Mar 13, 2007
Well you guys are getting close. The problem in North county is destabilization of neighborhoods and schools. It is rentals.It is weak and uneducated government leaders. No community can survive if the rentals top the 40%-45% mark. This was topic for discussion and management under Mayor Jim Eagan and he set up a plan to control the growth of rentals. The Lowery administration has dropped the plan and concentrated on new growth and is ignoring the core of the city. The leaders in the school districts will not address the issues of children that come from transient homes. Not all children are alike. Not all children are sent to school to learn. Schools are for the education for our youth and if we have to handle lawsuits all the way to the Supreme Court to preserve that right to educatation - we should.
Anyway, too much to go into here. You should have been at the "Meet the Candidate" tonight. The police had to escort a Lowery supporter out of the meeting. Andrew handled it well, the crowd was furious at the heckler. He was a labor guy. Does not make labor look good...especially since Lowery and council are labor supported and city employees have nothing as far as union or arbitration rights are concerned and this is something Andrew Podleski will see that city employees will have. Yet labor does not support Andrew? how odd...
Nancy

United States

#7 Mar 13, 2007
Sorry, cannot believe I typed education wrong- of all words!!
GAD

United States

#8 Mar 14, 2007
Well SMN and Nancy,seems I have found some rational thinking people out there who can see the problems for what and whom they are.I for the life of me will never understand these libral bleeding heart white people who want to stick their heads up there butt and not acknowledge the problems with blacks.We have for the past fifty years given the blacks most everything they have asked for,and to what end? They are still for the most part a bunch of derelicts who just want to lay on their lazy asses and suck from the white supported system.Look at everything they touch and see how they destroy it.The St Lou public schools,a freeking joke.How about the latest school dist to make the news.Riverview.Used to be one of the best,not anymore,the blacks took over and destroyed it also,seems the supt made off with eighty plus big ones.And of course in keeping with the black way of thinking"It's OK,he didn't do nuthing wrong"how do you deal with black logic?OK,lets look at some more of the black distruction,let alone the crime.How about every neighborhood they take over,it's destroyed.But then the bleeding heart white guys say it's because they are poor.Poor my ass.You don't need money to pick up your damn trash,pull the weeds off the fence,quit breaking out your own windows and tearing the hell out of the place where you live.I was born and lived my whole life in north St Lou,back during WW2.When I was 7 or 8 years old we used to play in Ofallon park all damn day with never a worry of being assulted,crime was damn near non existent.My parents rented,but still kept a clean and safe place for us to call home.We have given the blacks a damn good shot at education,better than my kids have gotten.We gave them section 8 assistance,no rent help for my parents or myself.No food stamps for my family.No cab rides to school for us.If you take a look at St Lou,or any other big city,you will see complete distruction at the hands of the blacks.It's like dominos,one block on top of the next until total distruction.And then the black guy screems it's white folks at fault.I am sick to my gut with blacks and their total lack of anything thats good and right.You blacks wont listen to a smart black guy like Cosby and so nothing will ever change with you,but then again,black logic.So you just keep up the good work of tearing the hell out of the property,keep the crime rate at an all time high,keep using your sick logic and I shall continue to dislike you more and more each day.I and hundreds of thousands of white folks remember what a great place St Lou used to be,not any more,thanks to you black folks.Well I could go on and on because of what I know about your race and what you have done but I won't,no sense beating a dead horse,you blacks will never change no matter what we hand you.
SMN48

AOL

#9 Mar 14, 2007
I was actually at the meet Podleski meeting last night. I was sitting in the row behind the abrasive heckler. What impressed me most about Podleski was how calm he reacted to this guy. everybody else was ready to throw him out. He even let the guy try and finish what he was saying on several occasions. Of course the 3-4 guys around him were Lowery chronies too. Lowery is comparable to a hitler like dictatorship, where no one can voice their opinion against him for fear of something bad happening to them. There was a guy who was representing 90% of the police force in Florissant to get good responses to Podleski, which the represenative was positive about. I dont think this city can survive another 4 years of Lowery

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#10 Mar 14, 2007
Are you guys saying that White people don't commit crime? WOW. Have you already forgotten about Michael Devlin? At least I don't see Black men stealing kids! Get a grip - crime is rampant in every ethnicity, it's just that St. Louis media would like you to think it's all committed by Black people. I think it helps them sleep at night.

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#11 Mar 14, 2007
GAD wrote:
I was born and lived my whole life in north St Lou,back during WW2.When I was 7 or 8 years old we used to play in Ofallon park all damn day with never a worry of being assulted,crime was damn near non existent.
Man that was over 50 years ago! Can you name any area that's as good or better than it was then - White or Black?
GAD wrote:
I and hundreds of thousands of white folks remember what a great place St Lou used to be,not any more,thanks to you black folks.Well I could go on and on because of what I know about your race and what you have done but I won't,no sense beating a dead horse,you blacks will never change no matter what we hand you.
Funny, I'm White and grew up in the city. I still think St. Louis is awesome. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
SMN48

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#12 Mar 14, 2007
Michael Devlin had a long time, very honest job. He just had some serious issues mentally. What he did to Shawn and Ben was absoulutely horrible and unforgiving, but in no way was his appearance up front damaging the economy. His actions when noticed made people think twice about how to talk to their kids and strangers. My point is Michael Devlin is one person. I highly doubt that there are numbers of people who have his same issue, and live in the Kirkwood area. Most people thought before that time that he was a guy who treated his customers with respect, and maybe had a slightly agressive attitude with his space. He will get what is coming to him real soon. The problem we are talking about in Florissant is the failing of trying to raise a family in a healthy enviornment and steady middle class economy. Recent years of the current mayoral administration have made Florissant dip into a decay into a lower class poor society. The nuber of people and physical appearance of any lower class town proves to be a much higher population compared to one child predator. Oh yeah, I have seen much more of Michael Devlin in recent months on the news than black people committing crimes. Not exactly biased
GAD

United States

#13 Mar 14, 2007
David Hagen wrote:
Are you guys saying that White people don't commit crime? WOW. Have you already forgotten about Michael Devlin? At least I don't see Black men stealing kids! Get a grip - crime is rampant in every ethnicity, it's just that St. Louis media would like you to think it's all committed by Black people. I think it helps them sleep at night.
OK,Devlin,I'll give you that one.Now then,drag out the papers since Devlin got caught and compare the black crime stats with the white crime stats.You will find that black crimes of all flavors greatly overwhelms anything done by whites.Try and sugar coat it any way you wish,blacks are still the front runners of all crime and for the most part,anything bad.Tell you what.Why don't you move down into the Hyde Park area,or maybe the Fairgrounds area,come back in a year and tell me it was a good experience.Hell man.All you need do is look to the blacks who have been able to get the hell out of the city and headed for St Chas or south county.To a person they will tell you it's because of the piece of crap blacks who destroyed their "Hood".The minority good blacks can't wait to get the hell away from the
majority of the shit bum blacks.But then nothing I say,the obvious facts nor any other truths will ever make folks like you wake up until it's too late.Try and catch up on the news my friend,by the way,who were the prime movers in the two near riots at the Galleria in the past couple of months.We all know who it was.But then I don't have enough time to recap all the violence caused by blacks.Put on your rose colored glasses and maybe the black problem will just go away.NOT
GAD

United States

#14 Mar 14, 2007
David Hagen wrote:
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Man that was over 50 years ago! Can you name any area that's as good or better than it was then - White or Black?
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Funny, I'm White and grew up in the city. I still think St. Louis is awesome. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
All you need do is look to any community that is predominantely white and you will find most things as they were 50,or even 100 years ago.Have you ever been to Troy,Farmington,Rolla,Louisian a,Sullivan,Cuba,or any other small town in Mo? Predominately white with high standards and morals,a sense of pride in their schools,community and respect for each other.
But I guess by your reasoning all good things should just desolve because after all,it was fifty years ago.Take off the blinders buddy.

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#15 Mar 14, 2007
GAD wrote:
<quoted text>All you need do is look to any community that is predominantely white and you will find most things as they were 50,or even 100 years ago.Have you ever been to Troy,Farmington,Rolla,Louisian a,Sullivan,Cuba,or any other small town in Mo? Predominately white with high standards and morals,a sense of pride in their schools,community and respect for each other.
But I guess by your reasoning all good things should just desolve because after all,it was fifty years ago.Take off the blinders buddy.
I actually wear glasses, not blinders... sorry. Man I grew up in the midst of St. Louis City. It was hard but by no means did all my troubles come from the predominant Black community I lived in. The few poor Whites there caused me WAY more trouble. Honestly. You may say I have my head in the clouds but I'm still alive and happy after being raised by Grand Blvd and Hwy 44 in the city. Sounds like that's more than you can say.

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#16 Mar 14, 2007
GAD wrote:
<quoted text>OK,Devlin,I'll give you that one.Now then,drag out the papers since Devlin got caught and compare the black crime stats with the white crime stats.You will find that black crimes of all flavors greatly overwhelms anything done by whites.Try and sugar coat it any way you wish,blacks are still the front runners of all crime and for the most part,anything bad.
Show me your official crime stats. That's all I ask.
Californian

La Quinta, CA

#17 Mar 14, 2007
Wow! So much anger. It’s no secret that the majority of criminals in the US are black. However, the majority of blacks are not criminals. It is also a fact that the majority of welfare recipients in the US are white. Yet it would be incorrect to say that the majority of whites are on welfare. To insinuate that the majority of blacks who don’t live in ghetto neighborhoods are “minorities” and fleeing from the “hood” is ignorant.

Crime is ugly and so are the neighborhoods that are filled with it. That’s no news flash. Rehashing who the main offenders are gets you no where. Like you said, that information has been publicized on the news, in newspapers and blogs all over the internet. As a nation we’ve gotten in the nasty habit of throwing money at a symptom rather than fixing the problem. White trash neighborhoods filled with welfare/food stamp recipients and black crime filled neighborhoods are symptoms.

How about focusing on plausible solutions? The vast majority of the black criminals and white welfare recipients are lacking education. Not just in schools but in life lessons. Many have never been told they can do better. And many of the ones who may have a glimmer of hope of doing better don’t know how so the cycle continues. I’m college educated with business as my major. However, throughout my high school or college years I never had a class that taught me about “how” to save my money. Or that I should invest and what my investment options were or how to research those options. All I learned was if you need money borrow it. And if you want to earn money ‘get a job.’ There was no talk of residual earnings.

All I’m saying is that you can continue to name cities and quote statistics to prove yourself right but in the end what have you really proven? The cities you name are tragic and need help. It’s like you are trying to reprove the Earth is round. Ok so it’s round now what?

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#18 Mar 14, 2007
Californian wrote:
All I’m saying is that you can continue to name cities and quote statistics to prove yourself right but in the end what have you really proven? The cities you name are tragic and need help. It’s like you are trying to reprove the Earth is round. Ok so it’s round now what?
I totally agree with you. We all need to get working on a solution to poverty and crime, not issue blame.
Californian

La Quinta, CA

#19 Mar 14, 2007
And if we really want to speak the truth here, poverty and crime do not always go hand-n-hand. White collar crimes cost Americans far more than street crimes. And these criminals are not predominately black.

Enron had a much bigger impact on the US than the fall of O’fallon park. Do I need to say out loud that the Enron leaders were not black? Insider trading and pension fund crimes had a much larger impact than the two “near riots at the galleria.” The world is much larger and complicated than the “all bad things point to blacks” world GAD is living in. White collar crimes have a direct impact on what we pay for consumer products, interest rates, incomes etc. Yet these are not nearly predominately “black” crimes. Per capita, blacks commit the majority of crimes. However, white collar crimes have a larger impact per capita.

Welfare…street crimes… the solutions to these are much clearer than the solutions to White collar crimes. How do you keep the people who run corporate America from stealing from it?
GAD

United States

#20 Mar 15, 2007
You will get no opposition from me with regard to the white fat cats who pull their underhanded crap at the expense of Joe sixpak.It's too bad Ken Lay didn't have his heart banger about ten years ago,maybe Enron would still be viable.I am not trying to justify any type of crime,but what Lay did didn't cause a nine year old girl from Spanish Lake Mo to be raped and beaten,a 90 year old woman in Florissant Mo to be raped and beaten.A school teacher to be shot to death getting into her car in Creve Coeur Mo.A gang of 30 plus teens assulting a family in Spanish Lake at their own home.Ateacher who burned one of her students on purpose.A mother who beat her young son with branches from a thorn bush.And this is just the tip of an average week here in black St Lou.There is a church in north St Lou over a hundred years old.The roof line starts out about 20 feet from the ground and then up to about 60 feet.This past winter thieves got on the roof,removed all the copper flashing,guttering and down spouts.The roof was destroyed to the point where this black congregation had to worship elsewhere because of the leaking.The cops said they would have had to have been on that roof for hours.In spite of all the activity and noise coming from this place,when police interviewed 20 plus neighbors surrounding this church,no one seen a thing,this is a prevailing attitude in the black hood,never see a crime happen,yeah right.Well,like it or not black crime and destruction is a major problem in this country,anyone with a bit of logic and common sense can see it.It's a fact,not hyperbole.I lived through two black neighborhood take overs in my life,don't want to do it ever again,it was horrific.Well then,choose to believe as you wish,don't concede that there is a tremendous black problem in this country,and I will pray you come through unscathed.
Californian wrote:
And if we really want to speak the truth here, poverty and crime do not always go hand-n-hand. White collar crimes cost Americans far more than street crimes. And these criminals are not predominately black.
Enron had a much bigger impact on the US than the fall of O’fallon park. Do I need to say out loud that the Enron leaders were not black? Insider trading and pension fund crimes had a much larger impact than the two “near riots at the galleria.” The world is much larger and complicated than the “all bad things point to blacks” world GAD is living in. White collar crimes have a direct impact on what we pay for consumer products, interest rates, incomes etc. Yet these are not nearly predominately “black” crimes. Per capita, blacks commit the majority of crimes. However, white collar crimes have a larger impact per capita.
Welfare…street crimes… the solutions to these are much clearer than the solutions to White collar crimes. How do you keep the people who run corporate America from stealing from it?

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