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So Sad

Florissant, MO

#1 Aug 20, 2012
Pro-Flo

United States

#2 Aug 20, 2012
I think it is great news for our community. I love living, working and raising my family in Florissant.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Aug 20, 2012
Nice I guess.

But I personally place virtually no faith in magazine ratings.

Unfortunately, those "diverse" public schools touted in the article are seriously trouble as a result of the thug aspect of that diversity.

And the Lindenwood facility is just an old parochial school.

Expanding the geographical scope a bit, a more realistic measure of the city would be its compactness and ease of travel, closeness to large work centers, interstates and the airport, downtown, hospitals and UMSL.

Another benefit is that the city gov is not awash in debt.
Hope

Florissant, MO

#4 Aug 20, 2012
Lets hope Florissant home values go up.(don't hold your breath).
Granny 81 and counting

Florissant, MO

#5 Aug 21, 2012
TTU wrote:
Nice I guess.
But I personally place virtually no faith in magazine ratings.
Unfortunately, those "diverse" public schools touted in the article are seriously trouble as a result of the thug aspect of that diversity.
And the Lindenwood facility is just an old parochial school.
Expanding the geographical scope a bit, a more realistic measure of the city would be its compactness and ease of travel, closeness to large work centers, interstates and the airport, downtown, hospitals and UMSL.
Another benefit is that the city gov is not awash in debt.
I don't understand what the problem is with the property being put to use. Would it be better for it to sit unoccupied? Do you believe every school is filled with nothing but "thugs"? I feel a lot of empathy for people who are so filled with negativity that they cannot be glad for a little positive news but have to continue to degrade any community thereby degrading those that live there.

Of course there are problems in Florissant, with the school system and parts of the city government. That is a reality is every community, it's just that more affluent ones have more political clout and cover it up easier. Personally I prefer to live in a city where the truth is known and you don't find out after the fact.

If people would spend more of their spare time learning what they can do to improve things and then doing it rather then constantly finding fault, they might be surprised at the results.
CSM1

Saint Charles, MO

#6 Aug 21, 2012
Well I wont have to blow my nose for awhile as I had a thurough nasal passage clensing when I read this article and my coffee flew out my nose. Number 76 out of a 100? Wow,you must be proud. Do you not remember Florissant "Pre Negro"? We were consistantly in the top 10 under mayor Jim,and it's been down hill ever since he died. Oh well,guess you need something to hang onto,even though it's damn near the bottom of the pile,at least you made the pile. Lets see where it places in the next report.
Pro-Flo

United States

#7 Aug 21, 2012
Folks, This is a good thing! With the intense level of negativity in this forum, a bit of positive news is a welcome break. I only wish the article would have made mention of the great private grade schools we have as well.
Granny 81 and counting

Florissant, MO

#8 Aug 21, 2012
Pro-Flo wrote:
Folks, This is a good thing! With the intense level of negativity in this forum, a bit of positive news is a welcome break. I only wish the article would have made mention of the great private grade schools we have as well.
It is a good thing. And I have absolutely no doubt that the nay sayers just look for something to complain about. As my mother used to say, if those sort got a front row seat in Heaven they would complain about being too close.

Those kind of folks really don't bother me. Negative people usually have so many problems in their personal lives that they need to put others down so they don't have to deal with their own reality.
Yea Whatever

Wentzville, MO

#9 Aug 21, 2012
Wellston used to be a nice place too.
Old Coot

Florissant, MO

#10 Aug 21, 2012
Yea Whatever wrote:
Wellston used to be a nice place too.
Why thank you little boy for that brilliant comment. And they say public schooling isn't working..well they were right!

The word is "yeah" not "yea" as in hooray or that's great or...

Whatever would indicate that you agree, hence the thank you.
Pro-Flo

United States

#11 Aug 21, 2012
Yea Whatever wrote:
Wellston used to be a nice place too.
You clowns have been sqawking about the demise of Florissant for 30 years. The simple facts are that it is a great place to live and work. Here is another fact, the percentage of people who are college educated that live in Florissant is at an all time high. My guess is alot of the folks moving to St. Charles have helped make that stat possible.
GetReal R GetLost

Saint Louis, MO

#12 Aug 21, 2012
CSM1 wrote:
Well I wont have to blow my nose for awhile as I had a thurough nasal passage clensing when I read this article and my coffee flew out my nose. Number 76 out of a 100? Wow,you must be proud. Do you not remember Florissant "Pre Negro"? We were consistantly in the top 10 under mayor Jim,and it's been down hill ever since he died. Oh well,guess you need something to hang onto,even though it's damn near the bottom of the pile,at least you made the pile. Lets see where it places in the next report.
I have seen so many of your posts. It is clear you are just a jerk with a low IQ.
"Bottom of the pile"?
You are not very good at math or statistics.
Obviously there are a lot of cities that are "better" but it is still better to be on the list near the bottom than not on the list at all.
It is a credit to the city and it's people to stay on the list despite facing numerous challenges that are the result of demographic and economic changes.
It is even more impressive when you think about all the morons like you who are always running their mouths spewing a bunch of negative stupidity.
You, and people like you, are part of the problem and will NEVER be part of ANY solution!
Another Old Timer

O Fallon, MO

#13 Aug 21, 2012
Old Coot wrote:
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Why thank you little boy for that brilliant comment. And they say public schooling isn't working..well they were right!
The word is "yeah" not "yea" as in hooray or that's great or...
Whatever would indicate that you agree, hence the thank you.
What's the matter you old fart? The young whippersnapper just made a point that obviously doesn't fit your warped opinion. Move along now and get some more Depends for that pesky case of diarrhea of the mouth that you apparently suffer from too.
big mouth

Florissant, MO

#14 Aug 21, 2012
Another Old Timer wrote:
<quoted text>What's the matter you old fart? The young whippersnapper just made a point that obviously doesn't fit your warped opinion. Move along now and get some more Depends for that pesky case of diarrhea of the mouth that you apparently suffer from too.
Does Akin represent your neck of the woods?
Whyzup and Evolve

Saint Louis, MO

#15 Aug 21, 2012
Another Old Timer wrote:
<quoted text>What's the matter you old fart? The young whippersnapper just made a point that obviously doesn't fit your warped opinion. Move along now and get some more Depends for that pesky case of diarrhea of the mouth that you apparently suffer from too.
Some people like to spew a lot of negativity toward Florissant any time the city shows up in the news.
That kind of reaction is a reflection of the small minds of those being negative.

It seems some individuals have not evolved past a tribal mentality.
Acting like "I live in a good neighborhood, you live in a bad one" is about the same as "my tribe good, your tribe bad."

Seriously, the world is a small place. Missouri is a very small part of that world and the STL Metro area is an even smaller part. We are all more alike than we are different.

It demonstrates ignorance and lack of understanding or empathy when a person from one neighborhood looks down their noses at other neighborhoods. That is a primitive or tribalistic way of thinking.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Aug 21, 2012
Granny 81 and counting wrote:
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Would it be better for it to sit unoccupied? Do you believe every school is filled with nothing but "thugs"?
If people would spend more of their spare time learning what they can do to improve things and then doing it rather then constantly finding fault, they might be surprised at the results.
Granny, to answer your first question, I know that the schools are not filled with nothing but thugs. But they contain a sufficient thug element such that they are only marginally effective at their assigned task of education, as evidenced by the abysmal tests scores, recently reported.

The thug element also interferes with the ability of the schools to provide a safe and secure learning environment for the children, resulting in mass exodus of people who expect and demand safe and effective schools for their children, including myself from both the schools and the neighborhood.

Did you know that Hazelwood East HS now has an on site county police sub station and canine unit in the building? Do you know that they only allow transparent plastic or mesh backpacks to curb guns in the school? They also have metal detectors at the entrances, and all visitors are record checked by county police before being issued a pass to enter the building. This latter step is also now used at Central.

As to your second statement, several years ago I participated in the Hazelwood First program that resulted in massive tax increases in the district. I and my wife have also be active volunteers and field days, PTO events, etc.

After careful study, I have concluded that there is an active effort by certain parties to take over and loot the FLOMO schools in a similar manner as has occurred in the city and inner ring suburban districts, via set aside policies, influence on hiring and spending decisions, etc., and that the acquisition of $$$ overrides all concern for children's welfare and education.

Unfortunately, as go the schools so goes the neighborhood.

FYI I am happy and well adjusted. I do this on my breaks, picking up kids, and when waiting at ball practice, etc. IMHO, my most effective role has been as a canary in the coal mine--a voice from the trenches on the urban front--for certain persons of power--encouraging and confirming their inclinations to quash legislative initiatives and policies that feed the beast so to speak. In that regard I am confident that I have played at least a minor role in the non-allocation of tens of millions of dollars that would have otherwise been wasted on this or that urban initiative program--so you can blame me for at least some lost Escalade sales.

Have a nice day Granny.
Thomas

Florissant, MO

#17 Aug 22, 2012
TTU wrote:
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Granny, to answer your first question, I know that the schools are not filled with nothing but thugs. But they contain a sufficient thug element such that they are only marginally effective at their assigned task of education, as evidenced by the abysmal tests scores, recently reported.
The thug element also interferes with the ability of the schools to provide a safe and secure learning environment for the children, resulting in mass exodus of people who expect and demand safe and effective schools for their children, including myself from both the schools and the neighborhood.
Did you know that Hazelwood East HS now has an on site county police sub station and canine unit in the building? Do you know that they only allow transparent plastic or mesh backpacks to curb guns in the school? They also have metal detectors at the entrances, and all visitors are record checked by county police before being issued a pass to enter the building. This latter step is also now used at Central.
As to your second statement, several years ago I participated in the Hazelwood First program that resulted in massive tax increases in the district. I and my wife have also be active volunteers and field days, PTO events, etc.
After careful study, I have concluded that there is an active effort by certain parties to take over and loot the FLOMO schools in a similar manner as has occurred in the city and inner ring suburban districts, via set aside policies, influence on hiring and spending decisions, etc., and that the acquisition of $$$ overrides all concern for children's welfare and education.
Unfortunately, as go the schools so goes the neighborhood.
FYI I am happy and well adjusted. I do this on my breaks, picking up kids, and when waiting at ball practice, etc. IMHO, my most effective role has been as a canary in the coal mine--a voice from the trenches on the urban front--for certain persons of power--encouraging and confirming their inclinations to quash legislative initiatives and policies that feed the beast so to speak. In that regard I am confident that I have played at least a minor role in the non-allocation of tens of millions of dollars that would have otherwise been wasted on this or that urban initiative program--so you can blame me for at least some lost Escalade sales.
Have a nice day Granny.
I don't think "Granny" was trying to make it personal. I noticed she tries hard not to. She was stating the same feelings that I have and that is negativity breeds negativity.

Putting down an entire schools system implies that all the people associated with it and all the students are trouble makers and/or are so apathetic they do nothing. A lot of good teachers and good kids are punished (for lack of a better word) for the actions of some.

It's good you took and active part in such matters but I still don't feel it gives anyone the right to malign an entire institution or group.

As far as the metal detectors, searches, police presence, that should be a requirement in every school not just high school. If that had been a priority in Columbine and some of the other schools, public places a lot of tragedies could have been prevented.

When my kids were in school a few years back they had 'locker raids', checked back packs, and even purses. The principal and others made kids open their lockers and stand by them while they searched. Some parents and kids got worked up about it, it didn't bother me at all. There were never any big problems at my kids schools, but believe you me I would have been very glad to have a cop there anyway.

I agree a lot of public money is wasted when it comes to all schools and most government agencies. That's the reality of politics at all levels and I can't see that changing much. What happens when people oppose every issue because of previous history of the school board or whatever, the good kids/people suffer not the crooks.
Thomas

Florissant, MO

#18 Aug 22, 2012
Another Old Timer wrote:
<quoted text>What's the matter you old fart? The young whippersnapper just made a point that obviously doesn't fit your warped opinion. Move along now and get some more Depends for that pesky case of diarrhea of the mouth that you apparently suffer from too.
Obviously you are the guy who posted those comments in the first place. It's OK for you to disagree but at least have the guts to not pretend you are someone else.

Just shows how really pathetic you are.
Pro-Flo

United States

#19 Aug 22, 2012
I have always viewed Florissant and Hazelwood from a completely different perspective because my parents sacrificed alot to send me to private schools. I am currently making the same sacrifice for my kids. Even if I lived in Ladue my kids would attend private schools. My guess is that Hazelwood East has been pretty rough for a long time. You have to keep in mind that there are alot of people in their 30s and 40s who live in Florissant while at the same time are completely insulated from the issues at our public schools. I can promise you that the schools in St. Charles county have more than their share of issues.
Old Coot

Florissant, MO

#21 Aug 22, 2012
Another Old Timer wrote:
<quoted text>What's the matter you old fart? The young whippersnapper just made a point that obviously doesn't fit your warped opinion. Move along now and get some more Depends for that pesky case of diarrhea of the mouth that you apparently suffer from too.
If you are going to argue with someone at least own up to who you are and not try to hide behind a different moniker.

BTW...your pitiful attempt at insults don't make any sense. Not that it's surprising.

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