shooting at Bangert Park

shooting at Bangert Park

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annoyed

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Sep 11, 2012
Why is it that the drive by shooting that happened around 4am at Bangert Park is not being reported?
Why is it

Florissant, MO

#2 Sep 11, 2012
annoyed wrote:
Why is it that the drive by shooting that happened around 4am at Bangert Park is not being reported?
You know about it and no one else does? How about some confirmation.

Rumor maybe? Or someone trying to start some BS arguing?
annoyed

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Sep 11, 2012
Correction, between 4pm and 5pm yesterday! Right in broad daylight! It happened at the pavillion at Bangert.
annoyed

Saint Louis, MO

#4 Sep 11, 2012
It's not a rumor. I'm sure you could confirm with anyone that lives nearby there and they can tell you what they saw. My kids go up there all the time and this needs to be reported to let parents be aware and know what happened.
annoyed

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Sep 11, 2012
I'm trying to let people know because it hasn't been reported. I wouldn't post something like this if I wasn't 100% sure of my source. Don't believe me, I don't care. Really not interested in an argument or proving myself. I think it's something the community needs to know about, period.
no confirmation

United States

#6 Sep 11, 2012
Why weren't the police contacted?
No confirmation = rumor
guess what

Florissant, MO

#7 Sep 11, 2012
If you belonged to the Neighborhood Watch, you get the updates everyday from The police dept. It was in there.
Neighborhood Watch report

AOL

#8 Sep 11, 2012
09/10/2012


Assault 1st deg

Degree-200 block of N. New Florissant Rd-Several juveniles had gathered under the pavilion
behind the St. Louis County Library. One group started yelling at another group at the pavilion, and
three shots were fired. The suspect fled southbound on North New Florissant Road in a black Chevy
Impala with an Illinois temp tag.
annoyed

Florissant, MO

#9 Sep 11, 2012
Thank you NWR for posting that. I never said that the police weren't contacted. I said it hadn't been reported, and by that I mean on the news or on the Florissant patch or anywhere that I could find. Just because some people post rumors or BS, doesn't mean everyone does.
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

#10 Sep 12, 2012
Neighborhood Watch report wrote:
09/10/2012
Assault 1st deg
Degree-200 block of N. New Florissant Rd-Several juveniles had gathered under the pavilion
behind the St. Louis County Library. One group started yelling at another group at the pavilion, and
three shots were fired. The suspect fled southbound on North New Florissant Road in a black Chevy
Impala with an Illinois temp tag.
That's rather disturbing and no offense but I prefer to obtain my information from official sources. Since I do know the councilperson in that district I have sent an email asking it to be confirmed or denied by an official source.

I did ask my neighbor who is one of the librarians and she said she knew nothing about any such incident even though she would have been there at the time. Of course she would have been inside so I assume that it is possible she wouldn't have witnessed anything. But, she did think it odd that the police didn't come into the library and inform them and/or question them about the incident.

Perhaps they just didn't speak with her, but then neither, according to her have any of the other employees mentioned the incident. Maybe because they were ask not to? A situation that would be difficult to assess without one having been an actual witness. There has been no entry on the FPD blotter relating to such, but that might be due to it not being updated as yet.
Really

Florissant, MO

#11 Sep 12, 2012
Neighborhood Watch report wrote:
09/10/2012
Assault 1st deg
Degree-200 block of N. New Florissant Rd-Several juveniles had gathered under the pavilion
behind the St. Louis County Library. One group started yelling at another group at the pavilion, and
three shots were fired. The suspect fled southbound on North New Florissant Road in a black Chevy
Impala with an Illinois temp tag.
Please, give me a break. That statement means absolutely nothing. I could write it and so could anyone else. And here's a clue for your future posts.

The NHW only reports suspicious activity or actual criminal action being committed. They have no way of knowing what type of crime it will be considered, that is done by the STC prosecuting attorney's office. So there is absolutely no way you would know it was a first degree assault charge as the alledged persons haven't been caught, arrested nor charged with a crime as yet.

OK, you have a problem with Florissant or the FPD or any and all factions of the city, that's fine. But, BS is BS and it's really simple to spot.

BTW I am captain of our subdivison's NHW and I know how things are handled and reported and the report is not made the way you claim. It is made to the police who respond with patrol and then detectives and then the report to the public is made. The reason is obvious, too many people wanting to tell the "story' their way instead of facts.
get real

Florissant, MO

#12 Sep 12, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, give me a break. That statement means absolutely nothing. I could write it and so could anyone else. And here's a clue for your future posts.
The NHW only reports suspicious activity or actual criminal action being committed. They have no way of knowing what type of crime it will be considered, that is done by the STC prosecuting attorney's office. So there is absolutely no way you would know it was a first degree assault charge as the alledged persons haven't been caught, arrested nor charged with a crime as yet.
OK, you have a problem with Florissant or the FPD or any and all factions of the city, that's fine. But, BS is BS and it's really simple to spot.
BTW I am captain of our subdivison's NHW and I know how things are handled and reported and the report is not made the way you claim. It is made to the police who respond with patrol and then detectives and then the report to the public is made. The reason is obvious, too many people wanting to tell the "story' their way instead of facts.
I can't believe you're a NW captain. NWR is correct about the facts. If you're the NW captain in your subdivision I feel sorry for your neighbors. You are uninformed and misleading your neighbors. Turn in your resignation.
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

#13 Sep 12, 2012
get real wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't believe you're a NW captain. NWR is correct about the facts. If you're the NW captain in your subdivision I feel sorry for your neighbors. You are uninformed and misleading your neighbors. Turn in your resignation.
Perhaps different areas handled it different ways. But, if you have taken the training you do know that the NHW is not a legal organization in the sense that they have law enforcement powers. They tell you in training that your job is ONLY to report a crime or suspicious activity.

They also tell you that it is best to discuss situations within the context of your neighborhood meetings. Although our group does contact people who live in the area and give them non specific info, such as robberies so they will be aware. But, we do not give addresses or names. I suppose that is to keep people from giving out misleading or wrong information throughout the community. I am sure word gets around anyway, but those are the guidelines.

The purpose for NHW participants not making information about incidents public on their own is pretty obvious, or should be.

If you send out a newsletter or something of that nature to the general public it might create unexpected consequences. It might jeopardize the case if there is one. Making some information public might endanger other person(s) and make them a target for recriminations. You are also told never to directly confront an individual(s) to do so might place you or others in physical harm. And you can, if you unjustly accuse or detain someone be sued (unfortunately that has happened).

And it is true, that when you call the police they tell you never to interfere but wait for the officer. The patrol officer takes the report or take the person(s) into custody. The detectives do a follow up investigation, send the reports to the county prosecutor's office, because that's who handle all major crimes committed within the county. Local courts do not prosecute violent crimes.

And as far as someone knowing what the charge would be in any crime that does come from the prosecutor's office only. So maybe the poster's citing of the crime committed was just his or her personal observation.

The easiest way to find out facts is to speak with the people who have them. If you can't get the info you wish to get from your local law enforcement, you can contact the county prosecutor's public relations divison. I've done so a few times with various success.

It does seem as if people on both sides of an issue are so intent on making their opinion the right one that they sometimes ignore the truth. So rather then keep arguing and calling each other names go talk to those who actually know.
easy verification

Euless, TX

#14 Sep 12, 2012
You can verify through Councilman Stinnet or through. Officer Andy Haarmann at the Florissant Police Dept.
It is true, it was sent out by Mr Stinnet on a NHW email and it was reported by Officer Haarmann.
Check it out.
FFR

Saint Louis, MO

#15 Sep 12, 2012
What race is the suspect?
easy verification

Euless, TX

#16 Sep 12, 2012
FFR wrote:
What race is the suspect?
Why does that make a difference?
hadenough

United States

#17 Sep 13, 2012
easy verification wrote:
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Why does that make a difference?
it does since the black is the only demographic int he METRO STL that carry and careless fire handguns.
Nicole McMillan

Florissant, MO

#19 Sep 14, 2012
hadenough wrote:
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it does since the black is the only demographic int he METRO STL that carry and careless fire handguns.
What the lady meant, I believe, was what difference does it make who does the crime when a crime has been committed. You are inferring that it is only important if the alledged act was committed by blacks.

I have no doubt that if one wishes to find out if any crimes have been committed by whites or other races of the same nature they would indeed be successful in that effort.

The point is, citizens need to take an active role in the protection of their property, themselves and the safety of the city in which they live.

Getting on a forum and complaining, calling people names and behaving in other such juvenile ways is pointless.
suck it

Columbia, MO

#20 Sep 17, 2012
it wasnt a drive by i was there at bangert when this happened a gang called ttg came up there and shot at our friend caleb the police report is retatrted it wasnt in inmpala it was a black malibu with missouri plates the suspects wernt caught and police were called over 40 police were at the scene approximitly 20 minutes after the shooting
Jerry

Saint Louis, MO

#21 Sep 18, 2012
That was one big run-on sentence. Next time try using some punctuation if you know what it is. Very hard to read!

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