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Florissant Resident

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So what has Jackie Pagano done for her ward since being elected? NOTHING. None of my neighbors or myself have seen hide nor hair of her - in hiding, unresponsive to her constituents. It's a shame - Karen McKay always communicated to us and answered her phone and worked hard for the ward and all of us. Pagano, a Lowery stooge to unseat McKay, will just let our ward run down like her useless relative, Ken Bond, did for so many years in the 1960's and early 90's.
What are her specific plans? She has none. What will she do about Grandview Plaza, especially now that another of the few remaining tenants has left (Salvation Army)?
Miss Pickle

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Mrs.Pagano has answered my e-mails.She is a very nice person and I think she will do a good job. One might ask ourselves what "we can do" to make Ward 7 better. I'm speaking for myself. To attack her family is not a good thing. As far as Grandview Plaza goes,it will probably take time because of the price increase from the corporation that operates the various buildings. What we do need is a list of all residents phone number's so we can call each other to make arrangements so we can talk and get to know one another. I understand not all people want their phone number given out and that's fine,but for those who would like to share their likes and dislikes and get to know their neighbors a phone number should be available to them.
gee whiz

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Sep 1, 2012
 

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She just started a few months ago. It takes a long time I am sure to get familiar with that job. give her a break
non competitive

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gee whiz wrote:
She just started a few months ago. It takes a long time I am sure to get familiar with that job. give her a break
All in the family.
Her father was a Florissant Councilman, her brother was a Florissant Councian, she is a neighbor to labor king Dick Kellet, she was hand selected and recruited my Lowery.
Don't think she is a stranger to the politics.
The goal was, to get McKay out and they did. Her reward,$1000 a month council salary.
You can forget about her being a citizen advocate.
orion

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Here is how I feel:
her dad don bond was fiercely independent, both eagan and 562 were political adversaries of his. Ken had oh well, issues I guess you could say.

Jackie is a nice person and I believe she is truely concerned re flomo and norco.

That being said she was elected with the support of labor, the present and former mayor. i think she will be responsive to neighborhood issues as long as there is no conflict with the mayor and those powers behind him.

Dont look for any successful opposition from the council as english was co-opted and after the april election the mayors allies will have at the minimum a 6-3 advantage.

however given the vicisitudes of politics and interpersonal alliances, the count can easily shift.

Labor could only deliver mayor tom 37% of the vote and if had been a one on one of ap vs ts and had the stupid lawsuit never have been filed, i think we would have had a very close race.

watch the council races in 2014, they will be interesting[there are none in 2013]

Labor thinks it may be king but their days in power are numbered.

They lost in english v caputa in 2011 and were unable to win the special judicial race in nov of 2012.

English defeated atkins in 2012, although atkins efforts left a lot to be dsired and labors contribution seemed to have been minimal.

There is an emerging fight between the fitters and ibew1 in the norco labor club that does not presage well for the continued dominance of our politics.

However there is no one to take their place and if the only alternative is elbert walton, i say stay with labor at least for local politics.
schneider owes lowery

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This was a gift to Schneider from Lowery.
Lowery owns Schneider
John C Engelmeyer

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non competitive wrote:
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All in the family.
Her father was a Florissant Councilman, her brother was a Florissant Councian, she is a neighbor to labor king Dick Kellet, she was hand selected and recruited my Lowery.
Don't think she is a stranger to the politics.
The goal was, to get McKay out and they did. Her reward,$1000 a month council salary.
You can forget about her being a citizen advocate.
Let me first say very openly, I strongly disagree with your assessment of Jackie Pagano. I used my real name because I chose not to hide from anyone. Mrs. Pagano was NOT hand selected by Robert Lowery, former Mayor. I went through a personal evaluation of the consideration of running for Ms. McKay's council seat. I went to classes on "Running an Effective" campaign. I took and went to the Board of Election and studied the stats of the voters within this ward. I will be pleased to discuss my decision with anyone about this decision of "why" I chose not to run for election. I have attended the majority of the City Council Meeting for many years and actively participate in MY City government as a private citizen. And "yes" I do not always agree with the decisions of the City Council and the Administration but I follow-up with all the Councilmember and the Mayor’s Office to attempt to understand the reasons. I applaud you for your comments but I would invite you to any council meeting or work session. These meeting are "open" to the public. Also, I think Ms. McKay did a great job, as Councilperson-Ward 7, for many years. In MY opinion, I think Karen McKay became "non responsive" although very versed in all the issues before her. I strongly disagree with Ms. McKay's position with respect to the North County, Inc. The City of Florissant (the largest community in North County) spent $8,000.00 is dues for this association. Again, in MY opinion, that money could be spent on the intersection of Florissant Road and Hwy 270 cleaning up the image of OUR name sake road. I have more to say about Ms. McKay but at the same time I believe she has allot to offer and hopefully this experience will give rise to her future. Both Ms. McKay and Mrs. Pagano have many talents and may their talents service MY community. I am John C. Engelmeyer, and I am not running for ANY political office, just a private active citizen.
Nikki McMillan

Florissant, MO

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Florissant Resident wrote:
So what has Jackie Pagano done for her ward since being elected? NOTHING. None of my neighbors or myself have seen hide nor hair of her - in hiding, unresponsive to her constituents. It's a shame - Karen McKay always communicated to us and answered her phone and worked hard for the ward and all of us. Pagano, a Lowery stooge to unseat McKay, will just let our ward run down like her useless relative, Ken Bond, did for so many years in the 1960's and early 90's.
What are her specific plans? She has none. What will she do about Grandview Plaza, especially now that another of the few remaining tenants has left (Salvation Army)?
I live in her district and I have voiced my concerns about several things and have always gotten a response. Perhaps not the answer I preferred but and answer nevertheless.

I have to admit I do not understand all the bad mouthing towards she and the Florissant city council, mayor, police chief, etc. I attend council and neighborhood meetings, I have spoken directly with the mayor both Mr.Lowrey and our current one. I have always been treated respectfully and even though I still have concerneds about certain things I realize every thing needs to be prioritized and therefore some things just have to "wait".

In regards to Grandview Plaza, Ms.Pagano is not responsible for the departure of the SA Family Store nor any others. If a person was really interested they can contact the owner(s) of the property or speak to some of the other businesses there and learn the rental rates have tripled in some cases. Very few small businesses can stand such increases these days. The owner's raised rents but did nothing to improve the properties or even adequately maintain them. If you must attribute blame then do so upon the ones who deserve it.

I have found when it comes to such problems often those complaining have done little but complain. If one wants a safe, economically stable community, government then they must get involved. By involved I do not mean anonymously voicing their malcontent in an forum. Go to council meetings, know your neighbors, start a neighborhood watch, etc.

Persons who just "sit and grumble" IMO have no justification for their complaints. Take the initiative or keep complaining that is your only two choices.
blab

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John C Engelmeyer wrote:
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Let me first say very openly, I strongly disagree with your assessment of Jackie Pagano. I used my real name because I chose not to hide from anyone. Mrs. Pagano was NOT hand selected by Robert Lowery, former Mayor. I went through a personal evaluation of the consideration of running for Ms. McKay's council seat. I went to classes on "Running an Effective" campaign. I took and went to the Board of Election and studied the stats of the voters within this ward. I will be pleased to discuss my decision with anyone about this decision of "why" I chose not to run for election. I have attended the majority of the City Council Meeting for many years and actively participate in MY City government as a private citizen. And "yes" I do not always agree with the decisions of the City Council and the Administration but I follow-up with all the Councilmember and the Mayor’s Office to attempt to understand the reasons. I applaud you for your comments but I would invite you to any council meeting or work session. These meeting are "open" to the public. Also, I think Ms. McKay did a great job, as Councilperson-Ward 7, for many years. In MY opinion, I think Karen McKay became "non responsive" although very versed in all the issues before her. I strongly disagree with Ms. McKay's position with respect to the North County, Inc. The City of Florissant (the largest community in North County) spent $8,000.00 is dues for this association. Again, in MY opinion, that money could be spent on the intersection of Florissant Road and Hwy 270 cleaning up the image of OUR name sake road. I have more to say about Ms. McKay but at the same time I believe she has allot to offer and hopefully this experience will give rise to her future. Both Ms. McKay and Mrs. Pagano have many talents and may their talents service MY community. I am John C. Engelmeyer, and I am not running for ANY political office, just a private active citizen.
Blab blab blab ... I know smarter toads.
Thomas

Florissant, MO

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Sep 6, 2012
 
blab wrote:
<quoted text>Blab blab blab ... I know smarter toads.
Aside from your brilliant comment (sarcasm intended) what have you done or are doing to make things better in your community?

Whining would not be considered constructive action. Nor is your close relationship with amphibians or lower life forms. Although you should be commended for your attempt to rise higher on the food chain.
Mark

Florissant, MO

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JOHN and NIKKI, I commend you for your efforts but I learned a long time ago this site will get you nowhere unless your anti everything.
This is not a place for good words, those who try wind up getting their teeth knocked in.
People don't understand that it takes Time Energy and money (on occasions) to actually get involved. It is easier and dare I say "needed" for SOME to communicate anonymously to relieve themselves of their anger. A good place to try blogging is the Hazelwood Patch. This has a lot of following and connects with people. Mark
alright

Saint Louis, MO

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Sep 25, 2012
 
what is wrong with venting on this site. last time i looked,we're in florissant. trying to deflect?
Flo Old Timer

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I live in her ward and we have seen NOTHING of her - no communication at all! Total phantom! I miss Karen McKay so much - she stuck up for us and fought for us and our interests - Pagano was nothing more than a plant by Lowery to get rid of McKay
sad but true

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Flo Old Timer wrote:
I live in her ward and we have seen NOTHING of her - no communication at all! Total phantom! I miss Karen McKay so much - she stuck up for us and fought for us and our interests - Pagano was nothing more than a plant by Lowery to get rid of McKay
She is neighbor and long time friend to Labor boss Kellet. She is beholden to Lowery and serves Schnieder.
The goal was to beat McKay and she did. No other plan other than to Vote the way she is instructed.
Her reward is $1000 month salary.
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Oct 16, 2012
 
What sad but true said is sad but true.
John C Engelmeyer

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sad but true wrote:
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She is neighbor and long time friend to Labor boss Kellet. She is beholden to Lowery and serves Schnieder.
The goal was to beat McKay and she did. No other plan other than to Vote the way she is instructed.
Her reward is $1000 month salary.
I saw that Jackie Pagano's Ward 7 responsibilities are being questioned. I suspect that Jackie is getting her understanding as an elected official. I am in constant contact with Mrs. Pagano via genral mail and email. I have NOT always agreed with her vote but I express my cocnerns with her. Every time I have called, written or attended Councilwoman Pagano made it a point to recoginize me. This blog is meant to express opinions and/or concerns and I respectfully acknowledge your comment and others but I would appreciate you taking time and attend your council meeting on Monday evening-Oct 22 at 7:30PM or attend the Budget Meeting on Saturday, Oct 20th at 9:00AM at the City Hall. This is your City too! Join with me in making your city; OUR City--get rid of the "y"! Politics is matter of participation by the Citizens.
Nikki McMillan

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Flo Old Timer wrote:
I live in her ward and we have seen NOTHING of her - no communication at all! Total phantom! I miss Karen McKay so much - she stuck up for us and fought for us and our interests - Pagano was nothing more than a plant by Lowery to get rid of McKay
All I can say is I haven't had that experience at all with Ms.Pagano. I have spoken with her personally and communicated via emails. The situation I was concerned with hasn't been completely resolved but it is quite obvious what I feel is a problem is being addressed.

She has always been pleasant and attentive during my encounters so I have absolutely no complaints. Perhaps that is due to the fact that I am aware that when anyone is new in in capacity (political of otherwise) there needs to be an adjustment period for everyone.

Likewise I never had any complaints concerning Ms.McKay. Albeit not all of my issues were resolved as well as I would have liked. But I accept that"I" is not not should be the deciding factor in such matters, but rather the community's best interest as a whole.

What I would like to know is what has happened to common courtesy and respect of each other in general? When did it become the norm to make assumptions and unfounded accusations about anyone? I find the "name calling" too childish to consider responding to.

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