walmart opening in florissant

walmart opening in florissant

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vintagegal

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#1 May 29, 2010
Has anyone heard about a walmart opening in florissant
Fact is

United States

#2 May 29, 2010
they want to along with a huge TIF for the privilege of ruining local busineses. Any company as big as WallyWorld does not need a TIF they say the area is blighted. Guess green space is a blight in today's world.

“I am a Pit Bull ”

Since: Aug 08

on the pantleg of opportunity

#3 May 31, 2010
If Walmart goes in with or without a TIF, there will be much more blighted areas in Florissant.

Don't look for the Mayor to take a stand for or against it. He'll do exactly the same as when the residents were upset about Hooters coming into Florissant. I remember him saying he has no opinion on his stand on Hooters.

But if Walmart comes into Florissant it will be highlighted in his re-election campaign if it will help him retaining his job as mayor.
Tumbleweed

Florissant, MO

#4 May 31, 2010
Pethead wrote:
If Walmart goes in with or without a TIF, there will be much more blighted areas in Florissant.
Don't look for the Mayor to take a stand for or against it. He'll do exactly the same as when the residents were upset about Hooters coming into Florissant. I remember him saying he has no opinion on his stand on Hooters.
But if Walmart comes into Florissant it will be highlighted in his re-election campaign if it will help him retaining his job as mayor.
He is a pretty smart guy. Political savvy as they say.
Sounds like another term for Bob.
Lots going on

AOL

#5 May 31, 2010
A new QT station at Lindbergh and Thunderbird, on the Marty Concilla lot, a new CVS Pharmacy at New Hallsferry and Lindbergh where Firestone is, with Firestone moving to the other end of Lindbergh near the Hazelwood border, but staying in Florissant, and possibly another CVS at Lindbergh and Charboner, still in negotiation, the old Grandpa store with 3 new stores in it, then a possible Walmart, and 54 Street Cafe opening soon, and that is just the beginning.
Real

Saint Peters, MO

#6 May 31, 2010
Lots going on wrote:
A new QT station at Lindbergh and Thunderbird, on the Marty Concilla lot, a new CVS Pharmacy at New Hallsferry and Lindbergh where Firestone is, with Firestone moving to the other end of Lindbergh near the Hazelwood border, but staying in Florissant, and possibly another CVS at Lindbergh and Charboner, still in negotiation, the old Grandpa store with 3 new stores in it, then a possible Walmart, and 54 Street Cafe opening soon, and that is just the beginning.
Don't forget CVS at Humes and Shackelford at the old firehouse.

“I am a Pit Bull ”

Since: Aug 08

on the pantleg of opportunity

#7 May 31, 2010
Tumbleweed wrote:
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He is a pretty smart guy. Political savvy as they say.
Sounds like another term for Bob.
That is to be seen. Who is going to do his department head's campaign work next year? His union buddies? If he supports Walmart, he maybe loading sand bags and hauling signs by himself.

I'm kidding, I'm sure you'll take up the slack of the department heads.:)

“I am a Pit Bull ”

Since: Aug 08

on the pantleg of opportunity

#8 May 31, 2010
Lots going on wrote:
A new QT station at Lindbergh and Thunderbird, on the Marty Concilla lot, a new CVS Pharmacy at New Hallsferry and Lindbergh where Firestone is, with Firestone moving to the other end of Lindbergh near the Hazelwood border, but staying in Florissant, and possibly another CVS at Lindbergh and Charboner, still in negotiation, the old Grandpa store with 3 new stores in it, then a possible Walmart, and 54 Street Cafe opening soon, and that is just the beginning.
Is the City negotiating with CVS for a location on Charbonier and Lindbergh? Are they negotiating with Waffle House? With the used car lot next to Handy Man Hardware? Hmmmm. Is this going to be another Lindbergh and N. New Florissant Road Ice Cream-Candy store situation with Sullivan's?

Inquiring minds would like to know!

“I am a Pit Bull ”

Since: Aug 08

on the pantleg of opportunity

#9 May 31, 2010
Maybe Bob Russell can talk St. Louis County into building a satellite Justice Center/Court House in Florissant. It would be a convenient location. :)

Since: Mar 10

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#10 Jun 1, 2010
Great! More good paying jobs to keep Florissant thriving. Where are these guys going to park all of there BMW's?
Heck, with all the money and benefits Walmart pays it's employees, maybe they can build a new house in Florissant...and businesses other than Fried Chicken joints and auto title loan shops can move in.
Blighted my ass...no TIFFs...we can shop elsewhere..as if they aren't going to put it in without a tiff. We are the people that WAL MArt thrives on...Middle and lower middle class...
QUESTIONS

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Jun 1, 2010
Pethead wrote:
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Is the City negotiating with CVS for a location on Charbonier and Lindbergh? Are they negotiating with Waffle House? With the used car lot next to Handy Man Hardware? Hmmmm. Is this going to be another Lindbergh and N. New Florissant Road Ice Cream-Candy store situation with Sullivan's?
Inquiring minds would like to know!
Why does the city negotiate, for private porperty.
RECALL

Saint Louis, MO

#12 Jun 1, 2010
HEY,I drive a BMW. But I agree no TIFF.

Since: Mar 10

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#13 Jun 1, 2010
Nothing wrong with a BMW...it's a fine automobile.
But if we keep losing companies with good paying jobs...no one will be able to afford one.
It's shame...because everyone should be able to experience German engineering.
Fact is

Sugar Land, TX

#14 Jun 1, 2010
QUESTIONS wrote:
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Why does the city negotiate, for private porperty.
this is a very good question. Why is the Mayor threatening eminent domain of existing businesses who don't want sell to these giant companies? I wish he would spend more time in taking care of the streets and parks than sticking his nose into areas of private enterprise. WallyWorld will devatate many small businesses in Florissant. We already have more grocery stores than other cities of our size. Which one will clost first?
who says

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#15 Jun 1, 2010
Fact is wrote:
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this is a very good question. Why is the Mayor threatening eminent domain of existing businesses who don't want sell to these giant companies? I wish he would spend more time in taking care of the streets and parks than sticking his nose into areas of private enterprise. WallyWorld will devatate many small businesses in Florissant. We already have more grocery stores than other cities of our size. Which one will clost first?
where is all of this coming from . The city isn't negotiating the sale of the property, that is between the developer and the current property owner owner. If something is done there, then, the developer goes through the permitting process to see if they can build, depending on zoning and other factors. No one ever mentioned eminant domain, don't have a clue where that is coming from . Most of you simpletons, don't have a clue on how or why things are done.
As for the city sticking to parks and roads, it takes tax money for those niceties, and commercial development with high property taxes is the best way to get it. Commercial property taxes are many times higher than residential property taxes.
Jasper

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Jun 1, 2010
who says wrote:
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where is all of this coming from . The city isn't negotiating the sale of the property, that is between the developer and the current property owner owner. If something is done there, then, the developer goes through the permitting process to see if they can build, depending on zoning and other factors. No one ever mentioned eminant domain, don't have a clue where that is coming from . Most of you simpletons, don't have a clue on how or why things are done.
As for the city sticking to parks and roads, it takes tax money for those niceties, and commercial development with high property taxes is the best way to get it. Commercial property taxes are many times higher than residential property taxes.
I wonder if the Mayor will claim he got the business to come to Florissant even though the whole deal is between current property owners and the developers as you say?
Sure

Florissant, MO

#17 Jun 1, 2010
who says wrote:
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where is all of this coming from . The city isn't negotiating the sale of the property, that is between the developer and the current property owner owner. If something is done there, then, the developer goes through the permitting process to see if they can build, depending on zoning and other factors. No one ever mentioned eminant domain, don't have a clue where that is coming from . Most of you simpletons, don't have a clue on how or why things are done.
As for the city sticking to parks and roads, it takes tax money for those niceties, and commercial development with high property taxes is the best way to get it. Commercial property taxes are many times higher than residential property taxes.
You dear AOL user are quite naive.

“I am a Pit Bull ”

Since: Aug 08

on the pantleg of opportunity

#18 Jun 1, 2010
Sure wrote:
<quoted text>You dear AOL user are quite naive.
You're being much too kind!
Fact is

Sugar Land, TX

#19 Jun 2, 2010
who says wrote:
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where is all of this coming from . The city isn't negotiating the sale of the property, that is between the developer and the current property owner owner. If something is done there, then, the developer goes through the permitting process to see if they can build, depending on zoning and other factors. No one ever mentioned eminant domain, don't have a clue where that is coming from . Most of you simpletons, don't have a clue on how or why things are done.
As for the city sticking to parks and roads, it takes tax money for those niceties, and commercial development with high property taxes is the best way to get it. Commercial property taxes are many times higher than residential property taxes.
you are a simpleton, Bob is right in the middle of the negotiations just at he was with the 54th Street Grill. He already approached Council members on using eminent domain for CVS on Lindbergh. He threatens those who are reluctant to sell with this all the time ask the owner of the BP at Florissant/270.
You obviously are not aware of the way in which Florissant obtains it's money/revenue. First we have NO property real estate tax in Florssant none, nada so there is no revenue there. The Real Estate tax bills received have no taxes on them that are assessed and paid directly to Florissan. Secondly, we are a sales tax pool city. We receive a portion of the all the sales tax collected which is based on headcount with the following exceptions a 1/2% cent Parks Improvement Tax and 1/2% cent Capital Improvements tax. Finally, there is the 7% Utility tax which he raised to cover the shortfalls and because he has raided our reserves to the brink of insolvency.
This is why the Mayor is trying to annex, he doesn't care about the people only the headcount, more people more money. So all his supposed development only nets us more money for Parks/Capital Improvements which he spends on questionable items Bottom line, except for the total 1% in the sales tax on sales in the City limits, Florissant would receive the same amount of sales tax money if none of Bob's great developments happened. I will grant him the 7% utility tax, which because of the inefficient building of many retail spaces makes their utility costs outrageous.
taxpayer

United States

#20 Jun 2, 2010
Fact is wrote:
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you are a simpleton, Bob is right in the middle of the negotiations just at he was with the 54th Street Grill. He already approached Council members on using eminent domain for CVS on Lindbergh. He threatens those who are reluctant to sell with this all the time ask the owner of the BP at Florissant/270.
You obviously are not aware of the way in which Florissant obtains it's money/revenue. First we have NO property real estate tax in Florssant none, nada so there is no revenue there. The Real Estate tax bills received have no taxes on them that are assessed and paid directly to Florissan. Secondly, we are a sales tax pool city. We receive a portion of the all the sales tax collected which is based on headcount with the following exceptions a 1/2% cent Parks Improvement Tax and 1/2% cent Capital Improvements tax. Finally, there is the 7% Utility tax which he raised to cover the shortfalls and because he has raided our reserves to the brink of insolvency.
This is why the Mayor is trying to annex, he doesn't care about the people only the headcount, more people more money. So all his supposed development only nets us more money for Parks/Capital Improvements which he spends on questionable items Bottom line, except for the total 1% in the sales tax on sales in the City limits, Florissant would receive the same amount of sales tax money if none of Bob's great developments happened. I will grant him the 7% utility tax, which because of the inefficient building of many retail spaces makes their utility costs outrageous.
You are right, More people more money.That is all he cares about.

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