Jamestown Mall Closing?
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Smith

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#1 May 23, 2006
If anyone has been to Jamestown Mall, one can see that it is going continuously down hill. I have heard many rumors about the mall and its future. The latest is that it will be torn down and turned into condos. Does anyone else know what is going on?
nina

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#2 Oct 6, 2006
i was talking to one of the employees at that mall recently and she was saying that people ask her that all the time but supposedly that is "not" true. she said that there are no plans to close that mall and in fact there is suppose to be some kind of plan in the works to update that mall. of course she also said that they have been saying that for 2 years now. so, who knows. with all the new homes they keep building you would think that this area could support a new updated mall.
SMN48

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#3 Mar 26, 2007
My goodness. How is this place still open?

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#4 Mar 26, 2007
I still shop there and heard that it will be updated soon too.
GAD

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#5 Mar 26, 2007
Northland Shopping center,River Roads,Jamestown Mall,Northwest Plaza all a part of the domino effect I spoke of a week or so ago.Yeah Yeah I know,you're going to tell me about how Northland has been rebuilt.Well it is having a hard time making it as of the last I heard.Why was it totally destroyed to begin with? Well we all know why!Now where the others are they can do the following.Tear down whats not already destroyed,and in it's place,bring in a bunch of pay day loan stores,a bunch of Chop Suey joints,and throw in a few pawn shops and then the majority of the folks living there will be ecstatic.Later

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#6 Mar 26, 2007
GAD wrote:
Northland Shopping center,River Roads,Jamestown Mall,Northwest Plaza all a part of the domino effect I spoke of a week or so ago.Yeah Yeah I know,you're going to tell me about how Northland has been rebuilt.Well it is having a hard time making it as of the last I heard.Why was it totally destroyed to begin with? Well we all know why!
Sorry, I don't know why GAD. Explain please.
SMN48

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#7 Mar 26, 2007
I was there over the weekend, and it seemed like there were so many stores closed down or the ones that were closed were blocked up with drywall. I just dont think malls in general are popular anymore. I think the new northland is doing soso, it was just sad to see the old one go down. Similar to what happened with cross keys.

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#8 Mar 26, 2007
SMN48 wrote:
I was there over the weekend, and it seemed like there were so many stores closed down or the ones that were closed were blocked up with drywall. I just dont think malls in general are popular anymore. I think the new northland is doing soso, it was just sad to see the old one go down. Similar to what happened with cross keys.
So true. I mean, is any mall (even The Mills) doing as good as they were in the '80's and '90's? I think the teenage problem has killed most of them. Too bad they are just addressing that problem now.:(
SMN48

Columbia, MO

#9 Mar 27, 2007
Two problems. First, what you mentioned. Malls arent as popular since the generation x's and early generation y's have grown up. I think there was a civil manner back in their day (even though there were some altercations), but we dont have the kids in North County that respect everyone else who shops in the mall anymore. You lose business with curfews n such. Second, the evolution of internet shopping loses the means of having so many department chains in the area. Thats why JC Penny closed Northwest and downgraded Jamestown to Outlet. I rarely go to a place like West County or Mid Rivers cause I live pretty far from them, but they seem to still thrive. Oh yeah, last time I was at Mid Rivers, I think I saw about 50 potential canidates for my wife. WOOOO!!!!:)
GAD

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#10 Mar 27, 2007
Reason why,just blacks thats all.Oh by the by.I was watching the 5 oclock news and they covered the school problem in St Lou.They interviewed two blacks,a girl and a boy.They were both seniors and this is just a couple of the sentences they relayed"I'm a senior and "DIS BE MY LASS YER" and
the "SCHOO BOARD don't know WHA THEY GONNA DO".The black girl then gave her interview and she said"I DONE AXED WHAT GONNA BE'S NEX" and to this I can only say.The school system has done a great job of teaching these kids how to speak proper english now have they not?But then it's a two way street,the kids have to have the ability to learn so I wonder what side of the street is at fault.
David Hagen wrote:
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Sorry, I don't know why GAD. Explain please.

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#11 Mar 27, 2007
GAD wrote:
Reason why,just blacks thats all.Oh by the by.I was watching the 5 oclock news and they covered the school problem in St Lou.They interviewed two blacks,a girl and a boy.They were both seniors and this is just a couple of the sentences they relayed"I'm a senior and "DIS BE MY LASS YER" and
the "SCHOO BOARD don't know WHA THEY GONNA DO".The black girl then gave her interview and she said"I DONE AXED WHAT GONNA BE'S NEX" and to this I can only say.The school system has done a great job of teaching these kids how to speak proper english now have they not?But then it's a two way street,the kids have to have the ability to learn so I wonder what side of the street is at fault. <quoted text>
GAD I can't get through my day without hearing your twisted view! ;) You make me smile! So which came first, the poor educational system or the ignorant student? I know for a fact the poor educational system was there BEFORE these students were even alive. How do I know? I attended 11 different Magnet schools in the St. Louis City Public School system and graduated from O'Fallon Technical Center in '89. I was the only student that could read a ruler in my Commercial Art class in 12th grade. No kidding. And there were ignorant WHITE kids there too. So no, I don't think black skin relagates kids to being uneducated - sorry.
GAD

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#12 Mar 28, 2007
Hey David,what I'm about to tell you will have you packing and moving away.I also am an alumnus of Ofallon Tech.You see I went to Hadley and was a junior at Ofallon in Sept of 1956 when Ofallon opened and they moved us from Hadley to Ofallon.Now are you ready for this? I also took commercial art.I had Bob Bay for a part of my instruction and Earl Schmeider for the rest.Schmeider was the head of the commercial art system. I wonder,were they still there when you went there? I graduated in June of 1958.I must say,I never earned one penny at commercial art but I did get a good enough education to get into Wash U and then to Rolla.Spent all my working years as a chemical eng.Well I just wanted to let you know,though we have totally different views we still have some- thing in common. How does that grab you?
David Hagen wrote:
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GAD I can't get through my day without hearing your twisted view! ;) You make me smile! So which came first, the poor educational system or the ignorant student? I know for a fact the poor educational system was there BEFORE these students were even alive. How do I know? I attended 11 different Magnet schools in the St. Louis City Public School system and graduated from O'Fallon Technical Center in '89. I was the only student that could read a ruler in my Commercial Art class in 12th grade. No kidding. And there were ignorant WHITE kids there too. So no, I don't think black skin relagates kids to being uneducated - sorry.

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#13 Mar 28, 2007
GAD wrote:
Hey David,what I'm about to tell you will have you packing and moving away.I also am an alumnus of Ofallon Tech.You see I went to Hadley and was a junior at Ofallon in Sept of 1956 when Ofallon opened and they moved us from Hadley to Ofallon.Now are you ready for this? I also took commercial art.I had Bob Bay for a part of my instruction and Earl Schmeider for the rest.Schmeider was the head of the commercial art system. I wonder,were they still there when you went there? I graduated in June of 1958.I must say,I never earned one penny at commercial art but I did get a good enough education to get into Wash U and then to Rolla.Spent all my working years as a chemical eng.Well I just wanted to let you know,though we have totally different views we still have some- thing in common. How does that grab you?<quoted text>
That's funny! No problem with that for me. That's why we go rounds - we're cut from the same cloth! ;) No, I don't think they were there in '89 - I don't rememeber the names. I had a teacher name Waldrop. Really cool teacher too.
DLN

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#14 Mar 31, 2007
David Hagen you need to get real. We cant ignore racial differences because they are deemed politically incorrect nor can we dismiss racial transition as a cause for the decay of neighborhoods and shopping malls. I've lived in norco since 1953-what used to be a utopia is being slowly destroyed. There are certain conclusions which are just impossible not to draw.

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#15 Mar 31, 2007
DLN wrote:
David Hagen you need to get real. We cant ignore racial differences because they are deemed politically incorrect nor can we dismiss racial transition as a cause for the decay of neighborhoods and shopping malls. I've lived in norco since 1953-what used to be a utopia is being slowly destroyed. There are certain conclusions which are just impossible not to draw.
So by your standards what neighborhoods are still good? Just the small county towns? I can say the same thing about south St. Louis city and the White people that moved there in the '70s,'80s and '90s. It too was a MUCH better place to live in 1953. I don't know this firsthand but have siblings and parents who definitely remember the utopia of which you speak. Yes it's a sad fact - urban decay has spread everywhere, even the once-utopic north St. Louis County. Race isn't an issue though - it's just economics, that's all.
DLN

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#16 Apr 1, 2007
Yes urban and suburban decay are not confined to norco. Getting back to Jamestown Mall lets look at all the crecent closures there. Bumble Bee candy, Voltaires cup, the music store, the store that sold muscical instruments. Look at empty spaces and look at the stores that cater to ethnic customers. Stores that cater to whites and an upscale crowd no longer can cut it because of the changing racial demographics of the area. The stores that cater to blacks will soon predominate and drive out whatever white trade is left. The black middle class will stop supporting the mall and then you will se the same situation that happenned with River Roads and Northland. People dont follow shopping centers. Shopping centers follow people. No amount of redevelopment at Jamestown is going to change the racial demographics of the area and make young and middle aged whites move in. The situation with the Hazelwood schools especially in the eastern part of the school district is atrocious and even middle class blacks are reluctant to send their kids there. No amount of money that the special interests that run the school district is going to change the situation. Essentially everything in norco east of New Halls Ferry is sinking with no hope of rescue. The public schools are breeding grounds for gangs.
DLN

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#17 Apr 1, 2007
Lets look at all the violence either related directly or indirectly to the Hazelwood school district. We had the incident last year where a white student was beat up by a black mob at the junior high at Shackelford and Sunset drive. The black parents justified it because the white student was allegedly a white seperatist or supremacist. What if the situation had been reversed and a black kid was beat up by a white mob? The media and the liberals would have been yelling"hate crime" Since it was a white victim he was not allowed to be the victim of a hate crime. What a hypocritical double standard that increasingly racially aware whites are becoming cognizant and disgusted of. We have the incident at McCluer north where the Hazelwood kids were involved in the shooting and we have the incident in what is fast becoming the Castle Point of Spanish Lake where a mob surrounded the home of a middle class black family that elected to fight back because so were so sick of the vandalism and violence they had suffered. No amount of education is going to make things right. Ever think it may be a matter of nature and not of nurture?

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#18 Apr 1, 2007
Boy DLN, you really watch the news don't you? The media has such a distorted view of what's happening in this area. By the way, may I ask what neighborhood you live in? If you don't live in this area why do you care? I live in Spanish Lake and have for the last decade. I have White neighbors and Black neighbors, good ones and not-so-good ones and color plays NO issue in this. My daughter is graduating from Hazelwood East High School this year with a 4.0 and doesn't feel threatened in the slightest. She has White friends who carry the GPA she does and Black ones too. The kid you are talking about who "defended" himself against this "gang" ran out with is mother both blazing gunfire up and down the street, but you think that was justified don't you? The Prosecuting Attorney feels otherwise. As for White people not being able to be a victim of a hate crime - who said they can't be? Just contact the FBI and they'll investigate the case as they would any other. I suggest you do as another poster here has done (GAD) and leave the area if you live here and don't like it. Then, if you do that, should you really care?
DLN

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#19 Apr 1, 2007
my ancestors go back to the 1850s in norco. I get angry when I see my our culture, history, heritage, and our businesses being washed down the figurative toilet. Do you think that its positive when we lose most of our parochial schools? Even though your kid goes to east with a 4.0 GPA, a 4.0 GPA at East isnt exactly like a 4.0 At SLU, Priory, Villa or St Joes Academy. East does not exactly have a stellar academic reputation with average MAP test scores at almost ground level, a special program for the female students who get pregnant while enrolled and dropping college credit programs because there is no longer sufficient demand for them in the community. What % at East actually go on to graduate from a four year program at college? How many of the kids are just esssentially being warehoused and babysitted? What % of parents are actively involved with the school except to attend the commencement which I hear is a boisterous and disgraceful display. I am not a great fan of public schools and their secular based morality but you probably arent a great fan of private and catholic schools either. Suggesting I leave Norco because we dont agree is so typical of liberals. Do you really think we are going to solve our problems by misguided political correctness by refusing to discuss same because we might offend someone?

Since: Mar 07

Spanish Lake, MO

#20 Apr 1, 2007
DLN wrote:
Suggesting I leave Norco because we dont agree is so typical of liberals. Do you really think we are going to solve our problems by misguided political correctness by refusing to discuss same because we might offend someone?
Of course not. But let's not get into calling names here either. What does that solve? I simply stated that I'd suggest leaving an area I didn't like. Are you or I going to change what you've mentioned with regards to north St. Louis County? Probably not. I sure do try but I might not live to see the impact. As for East - my daughter got accepted into WashU from East. Can everyone from there say the same - probably not. But I'm concerned more with my kids than everyone else's, sorry to say. I have to initiate change in MY home before I can assist outside of it. I do try to work with the community, believe me. That's what we ALL need to do. H-E-L-P. I find that most people want to complain about what's is or isn't happening instead of affecting change to better their neighborhood. You obviously haven't decided to leave north St. Louis County because of what you've witnessed. The next step is to assist in changing it back to what it used to be. Being Black or White doesn't make a difference. We need to attract decent neighbors no matter what color they are. And believe me there are many Black people who are honest decent people that, if you'd give them a shot, you'd love to be neighbors with.

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