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Kate

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Jun 5, 2007
I moved to Florissant 10 months ago and like my home, neighborhood and neighbors. The only thing I wish I could change is the noise level from garbage trucks coming and going Monday through Friday, car radios booming out base notes, and teenage boys bouncing basketballs up and down the street all hours of the day and night. There is an unending basketball game in progress on my street as well; but, fortunately, my home is on a slight hillside so the game is played down the block on a level stretch. The people living on that portion of the street have my sympathy.

I've been told the garbage truck problem is an ongoing and as yet unresolved issue. Is there a loud music or noise ordinance in Florissant? Finally, these young boys need an appropriate place to play basketball, not the street; and
should stop the endless thump, thump, thump up and down the street. Every dog in the neighborhood responds to the noise. You can understand why since it sounds like someone pounding on a door. There's enough noise that cannot be eliminated. We should do out best to get rid of the rest.
Pale Dago

United States

#2 Jun 5, 2007
If you figure out how to eliminate the noise,god bless ya
Kate wrote:
I moved to Florissant 10 months ago and like my home, neighborhood and neighbors. The only thing I wish I could change is the noise level from garbage trucks coming and going Monday through Friday, car radios booming out base notes, and teenage boys bouncing basketballs up and down the street all hours of the day and night. There is an unending basketball game in progress on my street as well; but, fortunately, my home is on a slight hillside so the game is played down the block on a level stretch. The people living on that portion of the street have my sympathy.
I've been told the garbage truck problem is an ongoing and as yet unresolved issue. Is there a loud music or noise ordinance in Florissant? Finally, these young boys need an appropriate place to play basketball, not the street; and
should stop the endless thump, thump, thump up and down the street. Every dog in the neighborhood responds to the noise. You can understand why since it sounds like someone pounding on a door. There's enough noise that cannot be eliminated. We should do out best to get rid of the rest.
ratwinger

Maryland Heights, MO

#3 Jun 5, 2007
first thing that you need to do is call the police dept and ask if there is a noise ordinance.
then call or e-mail your council member and let them know what the problem is.
that will get the ball rolling,if nothing gets done start calling city hall when the thump thimp car goes by and leave a message. so, it is the first thing they get to hear in the office on the answering machine

Since: Apr 07

Florissant

#4 Jun 5, 2007
Thers is a noise ordinance and it is "prima facie", you as a citizen do not have to press charges! A police officer can hear the noise and write the warning or ticket. The ordinance is a model ordinance, from the National League of Cities data base, tested in other communities across the country. Tried and true. If it is not used here,it is not by choice of the police on the street. You need to contact the man in charge-Mayor Robert G. Lowery. He was Police Chief when this was passed. It is a great ordinance. If he tells you different then ask him why he has not bothered to fix it or update it? I will try to copy and paste the whole ordinance to this site.

Since: Apr 07

Florissant

#5 Jun 5, 2007
City of Florissant Ordinance
SECTION 210.595: NOISES PROHIBITED GENERALLY
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to willfully make or continue or cause to be made or continued any loud, unnecessary or unusual noise which disturbs the neighborhood peace, comfort or repose of persons.
The standards which shall be considered in determining whether a violation of the provisions of this Section exist shall include, but not limited to, the following:
1. The volume of the noise;
2. The intensity of the noise;
3. Whether the nature of the noise is usual or unusual;
4. Whether the origin of the noise is natural or unnatural;
5. The volume and intensity of the background noise, if any;
6. The proximity of the noise to the residential sleeping facility;
7. The nature and zoning of the area in which the noise emanates;
8. The density of the inhabitation of the area within which the noise emanates;
9. The time of day or night in which the noise occurs;
10. The duration of the noise;
11. Whether the noise is recurrent, intermittent or constant;
12. Whether or not the noise is produced by commercial or non-commercial activity.
B. The type of activity that shall be deemed to be prohibited shall include, but is not limited to, the following:
1. Horns, signaling devices, etc. The sounding of any horn or signaling device on any automobile, motorcycle or other vehicle on any street or public place in the City except as a danger warning or during an approved parade; the creation of any unreasonably loud or harsh sound by means of any such signaling device and the sounding of any such device for an unreasonable period of time; the use of any signaling device, except a Police whistle or one operated by hand or electricity; the use of any horn, whistle or other device operated by engine exhaust and the use of any such signaling device when traffic is held up for any reason.
2. Radios, televisions, phonographs, etc. The using, operating or permitting to be played, used or operated any radio receiving set, television set, musical instrument, phonograph or other machine or device for the producing or reproducing of sound in such a manner as to disturb the peace, quiet and comfort of the neighboring inhabitants or at any time with louder volume than is necessary for convenient hearing for the person who is in the room, vehicle or chamber in which such machine or device is operated and who is a voluntary listener thereto. The operation of any such set, instrument, phonograph, machine or device between the hours of 11:00 P.M. and 7:00 A.M. in such a manner as to be plainly audible at a distance of fifty (50) feet from the building, structure or vehicle in which it is located shall be prima facie evidence of a violation of this Section.
3. Loudspeakers, amplifiers, etc., for advertising. The using, operating or permitting to be played, used or operated any radio receiving set, musical instrument, phonograph, loudspeaker, sound amplifier or other machine or device for the producing or reproducing of sound which is cast upon the public streets for the purpose of commercial advertising or attracting the attention of the public to any building or structure unless otherwise legally authorized. Announcements over loudspeakers can only be made by the announcer in person and without the aid of any mechanical device.
4. Yelling, shouting, etc. Yelling, shouting, hooting, whistling or singing on the public streets, particularly between the hours of 11:00 P.M. and 7:00 A.M. or at any time or place so as to annoy or disturb the quiet, comfort or repose of any person in the vicinity.
5. Animals, birds, etc. The keeping of any animal or bird which will disturb the comfort or repose of any persons in the vicinity by making long, continual or frequent noise.

Since: Apr 07

Florissant

#6 Jun 5, 2007
6. Steam whistle or horn. The blowing of any train whistle, steam whistle or horn attached to any stationary boiler or locomotive except to give notice of the time to begin or stop work or as warning of fire or danger or upon request of proper City authorities.

7. Exhaust. The discharge into the open air of the exhaust of any steam engine, stationary internal combustion engine, motorboat or motor vehicle except through a muffler or other device which will effectively prevent loud or explosive noises therefrom.

8. Defect in vehicle or load. The use of any automobile, motorcycle or vehicle so out of repair, so loaded or in such a manner as to create loud and unnecessary grating, grinding, rattling or other noise.

9. Loading, unloading, opening boxes. The creation of a loud and excessive noise in connection with loading or unloading any vehicle or the opening and destruction of bales, boxes, crates and containers.

10. Construction and repair work. The exterior construction, demolition, alteration or repair of buildings involving the operation of machinery or equipment which causes loud or disturbing noise except between the hours of 7:00 A.M. and 8:00 P.M. on Monday through Saturday and between 9:00 A.M. and 8:00 P.M. on Sunday and except for activities by governmental authorities or public utilities when the activities are in response to emergencies or otherwise in the interest of public health and safety.

Since: Apr 07

Florissant

#7 Jun 5, 2007
11. Schools, courts, churches, hospitals, residences. The creation of any excessive noise on any street adjacent to any school, institution of learning, church or court while the same is in session or adjacent to any hospital or in the residential area and which unreasonably interferes with the work of such institution or which disturbs or unduly annoys patients in the hospital; provided, that conspicuous signs are displayed about such institutions indicating the presence of such institutions.

12. Hawkers, peddlers, etc. The shouting and crying of peddlers, hawkers and vendors which disturb the peace and quiet of the neighborhood.

13. Noises to attract attention. The use of any drum or other instrument or device for the purpose of attracting attention to any performance, show or sale by creation of noise.

14. Transportation of metal rails, etc. The transportation of rails, pillars or columns of iron, steel or other material over and along streets and other public places upon carts, drays, cars, trucks or in any other manner so loaded as to cause loud noises or as to disturb the peace and quiet of such streets or other public places.

15. Pile drivers, hammers, etc. The operation from 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 A.M. on any pile drive, steam shovel, pneumatic hammer, derrick, steam or electric hoist or other appliance, the use of which is attended by loud or unusual noise without a special permit from the Mayor or Council.

16. Blowers. The operation of any noise-creating blower and power fan or any internal combustion engine, the operation of which causes noise due to the explosion of operating gases or fluids, unless the noise from such blower or fan is muffled and such engine is equipped with a muffler device sufficient to deaden such noise.

17. Sound trucks. The use of mechanical loudspeakers or amplifiers on trucks or other moving or standing vehicles for advertising or other commercial purposes; the use of sound trucks for non-commercial purposes during such hours or in such places or with such volume as would constitute such use a public nuisance.

18. Automobile repair. The doing of any activity in the course of repairing or altering a motor vehicle or equipment thereof in the nighttime which creates any disturbing noise audible on the premises of another.(CC 1990 16-362; Ord. No. 6274, 7-12-99)

Since: Apr 07

Florissant

#8 Jun 5, 2007
There is also the peace distubance law. Trash trucks in residential areas before 6 am or after 6pm are prohibited. This is all online.The city codebook and Charter are on the Florissant website. Plus your council people get paid about $1000.00 a month plus pension benefits, new $1000.00 laptops, expense accounts , conventions, medical through the city if needed, so they can answer your questions, update the laws and generally serve your needs.
Jules

AOL

#9 Jun 5, 2007
nancy i am having the same problem on my street with kids playing basketball. about 20 of them are on my street almost every evening playing it and im not able to drive my car to my house without having to wait like minutes for them to stop and playing and move im sure others on my street feel the same way. and when they do i get dirty looks from the kids and teenagers. can florissant do anything about this? ive also first hand had problems with kids playing kickball and hitting my cars with it i told the kids to knock it off more or less but when they play it they are up in my yard like no big deal running it though it knocking into cars and throw there bikes up in my driveway or in other peoples, after i get after them anyways which is very rude. will florissant do anything about this on my street and how can i address my concern about my particular street?

Since: Apr 07

Florissant

#10 Jun 5, 2007
There are a few things that need to be done here. It will take some time to work out peaceably. The kids have a right to play in the street. They do not have a right to slow traffic or destroy property.After 11 pmit must be quiet. It is a sad commentary on our society that we cannot send the kids to the park to go play. We need to acknowledge this and work together. It is not the kids fault that there are so many truly evil people out there.
First, do you have a Neighborhood Watch program? If you do not - get one. Call the Crime Prevention Officer at the Police Station. Do not set up the group just for this problem . Do it for the betterment of the neighborhood. It is an excellent program, a great way to meet the neighbors and pull everyone together for a common goal.
Then, when you meet the Crime Prevention Officer, tell him about the kids. I suggest he may send over the kids DARE Officer(Grade School Mentor) to talk with the kids. Then I suggest, when the kids claim innocence the Dare Officer can say "sure , that is why I do not expect to see anything on the videotapes! The Neighborhood Watch Committee is setting up security cameras for everyones safety... " of course this conversation would have to be pre arranged and some cameras would be set up. The DARE Officer does not want to lie to the kids. Trust is most important.
So having said all of that, if the kids are really bad, and not just pent up, the Police will see through it and handle it accordingly. Good Luck and keep in touch!
Here is a solution

United States

#11 Jun 6, 2007
Of course the reason that the kids may be playing basketball in the street is that our illustrious Mayor has removed ALL the basketball hoops in the public parks - yep that's right each and every one of them - we complain about kids and not being responsible but at the same time remove hoops that will keep them occupied in a constructive manner - converting the hoops in Bangert Park to a street hockey area was not friendly - so perhaps you should contact your councilperson to ask why these hoops were removed?- I be you can guess the answer
Jules wrote:
nancy i am having the same problem on my street with kids playing basketball. about 20 of them are on my street almost every evening playing it and im not able to drive my car to my house without having to wait like minutes for them to stop and playing and move im sure others on my street feel the same way. and when they do i get dirty looks from the kids and teenagers. can florissant do anything about this? ive also first hand had problems with kids playing kickball and hitting my cars with it i told the kids to knock it off more or less but when they play it they are up in my yard like no big deal running it though it knocking into cars and throw there bikes up in my driveway or in other peoples, after i get after them anyways which is very rude. will florissant do anything about this on my street and how can i address my concern about my particular street?

Since: Apr 07

Florissant

#12 Jun 6, 2007
Swoosh! He shoots he scores. I forgot about that! The mind is aging. I was on Council at the time, fought it, as usual, lost, as usual. It was a racist move. I reminded Council and the present Mayor that many children play basketball. These political, soft bellied, non athletes did not seem to comprehend the fact that many children in Florissant are playing baketball. They are of ALL races. They are boys AND girls!
Went out an bought a hoop set and put it in my dive way.
Thus increasing the noise level.
SMN48

AOL

#13 Jun 7, 2007
What was wrong with them putting hockey nets in that area??? Theres already about a thousand basketball hoops in Florissant, so two hockey nets is a racist move. Ive played there several times, and its a nice, enclosed area. I thought the original intention was to make a small league out of it, but that never happened. If kids want to play basketball, go across the street, or to the rec centers...hey! golds gym is opening up soon over the old Spinning Wheels location. They can play there.
In the Know

United States

#14 Jun 7, 2007
There are no outdoor basketball hoops in any City park in Florissant - only the indoor at Civic Centers and pickup games are being thrown out for the use of Leagues by Bud Sports - use by the way for NON FLORISSANT residents - the Mayor has conveniently chosen again to igonore City Charter and the ordinances on use of City facilities by non-residents - there is nothing wrong with street hockey but it rarely used - you said yourself you used it several times(?) as I pass by there numerous times daily I can attest that it would be far better to be used as a b-ball court than for street hockey -in a City one has to fully utilize recreational facilities for largest benefit -not for occasional use - doesn't sound like a regular use to me - besides nothing would prevent you for using for street hockey if the hoops were put back - would it?
SMN48 wrote:
What was wrong with them putting hockey nets in that area??? Theres already about a thousand basketball hoops in Florissant, so two hockey nets is a racist move. Ive played there several times, and its a nice, enclosed area. I thought the original intention was to make a small league out of it, but that never happened. If kids want to play basketball, go across the street, or to the rec centers...hey! golds gym is opening up soon over the old Spinning Wheels location. They can play there.
Scorpio

Saint Louis, MO

#15 Jun 7, 2007
Basket ball was removed from City parks because they were abused by non-resident loudmouth trash, People in the parks were they once were got tired of hearing the language, noise and butts hanging out of pants. There are still hoops in Koch park mostly occupied by the punks living in the ghetto apartments near by. Given time thay will be gone.
SMN48

AOL

#16 Jun 7, 2007
the original design of that land itself was for a basketball court. I guess thats why it would look more appealing? Also, basketball in itself is one fourth of the cost of street/roller hockey overall. With hoops in place, an investment in a basketball would do it. The hockey nets to my knowledge were put in there before all the basketball courts were removed. With the nets not existing if the hoops were put back up, it would be more difficult to play there. Could kids play basketball w/o hoops. I did not realize there were no more existing basketball courts in Florissant parks, so I apologize on that part. Does that include public schools? The average park in a town does have a basketball hoop. It was just nice to finally see hockey nets being put up in ONE area. Most of my time playing hockey though was at spinning wheels...until it was bought out by Golds Gym. There will be basketball avaliability there. They will pay good money for it, but I paid back at the old rink. I heard the rink over at Eagan Center is in plans to become enclosed. Maybe there could be talk of adding a roller rink for the spring and summer.
In the Know

United States

#17 Jun 7, 2007
Don't hold your breath on enclosing the rink at the Eagan Center - here again the Mayor has a "mysterious benefactor" with a million dollars who is going to enclose the rink - I wonder if this is the same person who is going to construct a Veteran museum? LOL
SMN48 wrote:
the original design of that land itself was for a basketball court. I guess thats why it would look more appealing? Also, basketball in itself is one fourth of the cost of street/roller hockey overall. With hoops in place, an investment in a basketball would do it. The hockey nets to my knowledge were put in there before all the basketball courts were removed. With the nets not existing if the hoops were put back up, it would be more difficult to play there. Could kids play basketball w/o hoops. I did not realize there were no more existing basketball courts in Florissant parks, so I apologize on that part. Does that include public schools? The average park in a town does have a basketball hoop. It was just nice to finally see hockey nets being put up in ONE area. Most of my time playing hockey though was at spinning wheels...until it was bought out by Golds Gym. There will be basketball avaliability there. They will pay good money for it, but I paid back at the old rink. I heard the rink over at Eagan Center is in plans to become enclosed. Maybe there could be talk of adding a roller rink for the spring and summer.
In the Know

United States

#18 Jun 7, 2007
Scorpio it is obvious from your post that you have issues - if you want to flame please start your own thread - or perhaps you would like to move your comments to a previous thread that was titled Blacks - i am sure that you will find like minded brethern there - we are not interested in your rantings
Scorpio wrote:
Basket ball was removed from City parks because they were abused by non-resident loudmouth trash, People in the parks were they once were got tired of hearing the language, noise and butts hanging out of pants. There are still hoops in Koch park mostly occupied by the punks living in the ghetto apartments near by. Given time thay will be gone.
In the Know

United States

#19 Jun 7, 2007
There may be hoops at some of the schools - I know the Church at St Anthony and Washington recently installed some and there are pick-up games that appear to be without problems - problem with schools and the Church is they are private property - not part of the park system so therefore could cause some problems. Part of the issue here is a sport that can be easily played for the cost of the ball - your other suggestions are good but not all have the means for gym memberships or entrance fees
SMN48 wrote:
the original design of that land itself was for a basketball court. I guess thats why it would look more appealing? Also, basketball in itself is one fourth of the cost of street/roller hockey overall. With hoops in place, an investment in a basketball would do it. The hockey nets to my knowledge were put in there before all the basketball courts were removed. With the nets not existing if the hoops were put back up, it would be more difficult to play there. Could kids play basketball w/o hoops. I did not realize there were no more existing basketball courts in Florissant parks, so I apologize on that part. Does that include public schools? The average park in a town does have a basketball hoop. It was just nice to finally see hockey nets being put up in ONE area. Most of my time playing hockey though was at spinning wheels...until it was bought out by Golds Gym. There will be basketball avaliability there. They will pay good money for it, but I paid back at the old rink. I heard the rink over at Eagan Center is in plans to become enclosed. Maybe there could be talk of adding a roller rink for the spring and summer.
Pantera

Saint Louis, MO

#20 Jun 7, 2007
Scorpio is right,In the Know is out of touch with reality.

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