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Thinking out loud

AOL

#1 Dec 19, 2008
Let's start a new thread with some thoughts on how we can all contribute to the change in America. Let's try and focus on the good or what will help.
Thinking out loud

AOL

#2 Dec 19, 2008
Maybe our government should consider the following:

-cut residential mail deliver from 6 days to 5 days per week, save money, more effecient, save fuel

-maybe all elected officials, federal, state, county, local, should consider a 10% salary/wage reduction, it would send a good message, show they are willing to share in the pain, be a good sign of leadership

-all levels of government should take a hard look a the duplication and overlapping of manpower and services. Trim some of these departments and consolidate some of the others. We waste millions to billions on duplication and overlap.

-a Presidential bi-partison review of all congressional perks and benefits, shouldn't our elected officials live like us working taxpayers do.

-stamp out unnecessary government travel and so called fact finding trips. Until problems are fixed here at home, stay home and fix them.

I am sure there are lots of good and practical ideas and thoughts all of us average everyday, taxpaying, simple Americans can offer up as solutions. Maybe if we all say it loud enough and long enough, someone might hear us.
1 thing at a time

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Dec 20, 2008
I like the pay cut idea for public officials as a "sign of leadership".
But does that mean we should all take a cut too?

The "compensation" issue is complex.

Compensation is suppose to be governed by the "free market" forces.

Under the free-market economic theory, greater responsibility, risk, job difficulty, ethics, education or training, specialized skills or job physical dangers etc. are the factors that help determine the compensation one will receive.

The problem is, those factors don't seem particularly relevant in many or maybe most cases.

I don't really feel that most public officials are overpaid.

Some, such as the 100K plus salary of the Florissant Mayor, are likely too high. When you look at the Mayor's salary in comparison to the governor or a senator or even the President of the United States who collects 400K.(Hard to believe that the mayor of Florissant is worth 1/4 of what the POTUS in terms of skills/responsibility.)

It is quite clear that many CEOs or business executives are overpaid.

The Wall Street boys just screwed up the entire economy. They were being paid HUGE salaries to manage the money and they blew it. It looks like their "knowledge", and possibly their "ethics", were not up to the demands of the job. And obviously, the "risk" was not there since the government (we the people) bailed them out of the mess they created.

I can't see how any CEO is worth 200 times as much as the average worker on the assembly line at the company they manage.

A million dollar salary is over 400 dollars an hour.

That sort of pay is not being earned by any of my health care professionals who have "doctor" in front of their name and many years of education as well as the responsibility of the health or lives of many people.

When you consider many executives earn far more than 1 million a year, it is clear that the "free-market" controls are not working very well. That is especially true when you think that most of those executives get huge amounts of money in the form of "golden parachutes" whn they get "FIRED" for poor performance.

Don't you wish you could get several years salary when you screw up and get fired?

I agree that we could make government more efficient. But I don't think that is as big a problem as cleaning up the mess in the private sector.

Remember, the government contracts much of it's work out to those "private firms". So many of our tax dollars go to those "service providers" or "government contractors".

So when we buy an bomber or an aircraft carrier, we are handing a lot of money to a lot of over-paid executives.

What we pay the "civil servants" is pretty small compared to what we pay the "contracted" CEOs.

Maybe all companies that received government contracts should have to pay their employees along the same lines as the "civil servant" compensation to be eligible for contracts.
Beetlejuice

Florissant, MO

#4 Dec 20, 2008
Maybe no employee should be paid more than 10 times any other employee. Still the owner can compensate his more valuable people but no more than 10 times what his floorsweeper is worth.
Beetlejuice

Florissant, MO

#5 Dec 21, 2008
This came from dailykos.com a left leaning webpage, but the article does sum up the problem with pay inequity.

The UAW has been given the opportunity of a generation to explain to the American people the real problem with compensation in our society today: the immoral differential between the exorbitant average pay of a CEO of an S&P 500 company, and the pay of an average worker.

In 1950, the average pay of an S&P 500 CEO was less than 30 times that of an average U.S. worker; by 1980, prior to the "Reagan Revolution, the average pay of the S&P 500 CEO was approximately 50 times higher than that of an average U.S worker. But by 2007, the average pay of an S&P 500 CEO had soared to more than 350 times as much as that of an average U.S. worker.

This is both immoral and unsustainable in a democracy. By way of comparison, in Europe, an average CEO only makes 22 times as much as an average worker, and in Japan, only 17 times as much.

If America wants to be competitive again, we need to reduce CEO pay to a level comparable to CEO pay in Europe and Japan. I know exactly how to accomplish this feat. The UAW should agree to immediately lower U.S. union worker pay to a level equal to the level paid by their non-union, non-American competitors. In return, auto CEO’s must agree to permanently lower their compensation to only 20 times that of an average union worker.

Once this has been accomplished, Congress must move to apply the same pay standards to AIG and all of the financial institutions that took one penny of taxpayer money from the TARP fund.
Private Eyes

Pevely, MO

#6 Dec 21, 2008
Some politicians have been pushing for years to "privatize" Social Security.

In other words, take Social Security out of the hands of the government because "they believe" that the government doesn't do a good job of anything. It is the belief of these politicians, mostly conservatives of the Reaganomic mindset or philosophy, that we should put all that Social Security money into the hands of private investment "experts".

That would be the guys on Wall Street that we just "bailed out".

Had we given Social Security over to those experts, can you imagine where we would be right now?

That same ideology has been pushing the idea for years that government is bad/incompetent/wasteful etc.

The government is no more incompetent than "big business". It's just a bunch of people and both the private sector and government has it's idiots and it's geniuses.

Let's not forget that it is the government "of the people"...that's you and me...us!

But government salaries have not gotten out of line like the executive salaries in the private sector.

The highest paid executives in the private sector make hundreds of millions of dollars a year in salary. The President of the United States makes $400,000 a year.

The President or America earns about 20 to 40 times what an average American worker or government employee earns.

A great many of those private sector executives earn 250 to 7000 times what average workers earn depending on the worker and the executives you choose to compare.

These big companies are always trying to find ways to be more "efficient" or "competitive" by cutting "labor costs"...just not the labor costs at the top.

Somehow big business seems inefficient by it's own standards when you look at executive compensation.
pele

Florissant, MO

#7 Dec 21, 2008
let's not forget, the companies we just bailed out gave their ceo's and upper mgt. bonuses of 1.6 billion, yes that's BILLION. thank you very much
Driver

Pevely, MO

#8 Dec 21, 2008
pele wrote:
let's not forget, the companies we just bailed out gave their ceo's and upper mgt. bonuses of 1.6 billion, yes that's BILLION. thank you very much
More of the same. You screw up and you get a bonus?!
Gee, I need to go talk to my boss. Lats time I screwed up, I got on his "D" list and it took me months to get back in his good graces. I guess it is different when you get to the top, no one to come down on you.
dummycrats

Wentzville, MO

#9 Dec 22, 2008
Thinking out loud wrote:
Let's start a new thread with some thoughts on how we can all contribute to the change in America. Let's try and focus on the good or what will help.
lets start by impeaching Obama.
Just Brilliant

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Dec 22, 2008
dummycrats wrote:
<quoted text>
lets start by impeaching Obama.
Spoken like a true Republican supporter. Call names and of course, don't worry about facts or realities...they are not relevant

First, if Clinton could not get impeached for having illicit sex in the White House or Bush can't get impeached for war crimes or any of his other numerous failings as President, what does it take to impeach a President? It clearly takes some VERY serious lapses to get impeached.

Second...Obama isn't even sworn in yet pinhead!
Cris

Candler, NC

#11 Dec 22, 2008
Thinking out loud wrote:
Let's start a new thread with some thoughts on how we can all contribute to the change in America. Let's try and focus on the good or what will help.
No more women running for president. No more abortions. Prayer back in schools. No gay marriage.
pele

Florissant, MO

#12 Dec 22, 2008
maybe we should close our borders for now, make sure everyone that is here has a right to be here,and get our books in order before we allow anyone in. a lot of health care, and other benefits are going to people who are not even citizens. oh yeah and just maybe put God back in our schools and government.
So Sad

United States

#13 Dec 22, 2008
Cris wrote:
<quoted text>No more women running for president. No more abortions. Prayer back in schools. No gay marriage.
Spoken like a true South Carolinian.
Cris

Candler, NC

#14 Dec 22, 2008
Stop letting all the dad beats live off our tax money. These woman who just keep poping out kids and won't work no welfare, or wick.
So Sad

United States

#15 Dec 22, 2008
pele wrote:
maybe we should close our borders for now, make sure everyone that is here has a right to be here,and get our books in order before we allow anyone in. a lot of health care, and other benefits are going to people who are not even citizens.
The Canadian border or Mexican border? Forget about closing the borders. Easier said than done. With a new Hispanic Secretary of Labor and Commerce, you better start learning how to say “Se habla English”(Just kidding my brown brothers and sisters). The Latinos flexed their muscle through rep Joe Baca and the Obama camp took notice. Obama’s pick of Richardson as SOC and Solis as SOL was very clever. Richardson supports giving driver’s licenses to illegal aliens and Solis is “very” pro union and supports rights of migrant farm workers. My only concern is that Solis may be too pro union for my taste.

John Keynes should be smiling in his grave right now.
Its simple

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Dec 22, 2008
Maybe we need new rules.

You know...
- Must have an I.Q. over 110.
- Must get at least one college degree.
- Women must be pretty and men must be good looking.
- Everyone must be "athletic".
- Anyone caught being "lazy" also loses their rights.
- No minority "looking" people.
- Must be a Christian.
- Must be a Republican.
- Can't reproduce unless you meet all the above requirements.

If you do not "conform", you go to jail for life... No if, ands or buts.

Isn't that simple. Nice and easy for "anyone" to understand.
Now go forth, be fruitful and multiply...just make sure you conform first.
alittlelooney

AOL

#17 Dec 24, 2008
Man's greatest achievements on earth is to forget self and offer up all to God,especially when things are contrary and difficult.Be prepared to face the disappointments,misunderstandi ngs,contradictions,and labors with greater resignation and patience.Have a "Blessed Holiday Everyone!" "Happy Birthday Baby Jesus!"
Lifer

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Dec 24, 2008
alittlelooney wrote:
Man's greatest achievements on earth is to forget self and offer up all to God,especially when things are contrary and difficult.Be prepared to face the disappointments,misunderstandi ngs,contradictions,and labors with greater resignation and patience.Have a "Blessed Holiday Everyone!" "Happy Birthday Baby Jesus!"
It is not just the "greatest achievements on earth" it is a necessity to survival of the species. You can do it for God or you can do it for the sake of self or for a simple rationality.
Religion is just another big business for most people. It's like Walmart with salvation. They do it without even thinking about the broader implications. Go to church, pay your prayers, go to Heaven...paper or plastic?
You can face anything, or change any thing of man's doing, with any good philosophy.
Lip service to any philosophy will provide little comfort. One must understand and practice a philosophy or religion for it to be of any good.
Have a great Christmas, Kwanzaa, Saturnalia, Solstice, Chanukah...Happy Holiday and wonderful New Year! But do it with conviction of the heart and a little gusto!
Many at fault

AOL

#19 Dec 24, 2008
Thinking out loud wrote:
Maybe our government should consider the following:
-cut residential mail deliver from 6 days to 5 days per week, save money, more effecient, save fuel
-maybe all elected officials, federal, state, county, local, should consider a 10% salary/wage reduction, it would send a good message, show they are willing to share in the pain, be a good sign of leadership
-all levels of government should take a hard look a the duplication and overlapping of manpower and services. Trim some of these departments and consolidate some of the others. We waste millions to billions on duplication and overlap.
-a Presidential bi-partison review of all congressional perks and benefits, shouldn't our elected officials live like us working taxpayers do.
-stamp out unnecessary government travel and so called fact finding trips. Until problems are fixed here at home, stay home and fix them.
I am sure there are lots of good and practical ideas and thoughts all of us average everyday, taxpaying, simple Americans can offer up as solutions. Maybe if we all say it loud enough and long enough, someone might hear us.
The reality is, there is plenty of fault and blame to go around. But before the healing and the damage can begin, everyone has to accept and acknowledge their piece of it.
Valid points

AOL

#20 Dec 24, 2008
1 thing at a time wrote:
I like the pay cut idea for public officials as a "sign of leadership".
But does that mean we should all take a cut too?
The "compensation" issue is complex.
Compensation is suppose to be governed by the "free market" forces.
Under the free-market economic theory, greater responsibility, risk, job difficulty, ethics, education or training, specialized skills or job physical dangers etc. are the factors that help determine the compensation one will receive.
The problem is, those factors don't seem particularly relevant in many or maybe most cases.
I don't really feel that most public officials are overpaid.
Some, such as the 100K plus salary of the Florissant Mayor, are likely too high. When you look at the Mayor's salary in comparison to the governor or a senator or even the President of the United States who collects 400K.(Hard to believe that the mayor of Florissant is worth 1/4 of what the POTUS in terms of skills/responsibility.)
It is quite clear that many CEOs or business executives are overpaid.
The Wall Street boys just screwed up the entire economy. They were being paid HUGE salaries to manage the money and they blew it. It looks like their "knowledge", and possibly their "ethics", were not up to the demands of the job. And obviously, the "risk" was not there since the government (we the people) bailed them out of the mess they created.
I can't see how any CEO is worth 200 times as much as the average worker on the assembly line at the company they manage.
A million dollar salary is over 400 dollars an hour.
That sort of pay is not being earned by any of my health care professionals who have "doctor" in front of their name and many years of education as well as the responsibility of the health or lives of many people.
When you consider many executives earn far more than 1 million a year, it is clear that the "free-market" controls are not working very well. That is especially true when you think that most of those executives get huge amounts of money in the form of "golden parachutes" whn they get "FIRED" for poor performance.
Don't you wish you could get several years salary when you screw up and get fired?
I agree that we could make government more efficient. But I don't think that is as big a problem as cleaning up the mess in the private sector.
Remember, the government contracts much of it's work out to those "private firms". So many of our tax dollars go to those "service providers" or "government contractors".
So when we buy an bomber or an aircraft carrier, we are handing a lot of money to a lot of over-paid executives.
What we pay the "civil servants" is pretty small compared to what we pay the "contracted" CEOs.
Maybe all companies that received government contracts should have to pay their employees along the same lines as the "civil servant" compensation to be eligible for contracts.
Valid points, however, much of what happened, took place after congress allowed for changes in the banking business. Much of the indesgression should have been caught in the oversight areas set up and monitored by the feds. If you do enough back ground research, you will find that there were plenty of warnings for this train wreck, but, no one knew how to stop it. Too much shared greed.

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