New Covington site sought for methado...

New Covington site sought for methadone clinic

There are 87 comments on the Community Press & Recorder story from Feb 23, 2011, titled New Covington site sought for methadone clinic. In it, Community Press & Recorder reports that:

New Covington site sought for methadone clinic Comments Scott Wartman [email protected] COVINGTON - After an unsuccessful attempt to get approval from the city for a methadone clinic in South Covington, the same people have applied for a zoning permit to put a clinic in the Latonia Shopping Center.

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poppy

United States

#22 Mar 11, 2011
I can't get over all the people that think Methadone helps drug addicts.I'm.a recovering addict used Methadone for over 15 years it did nothing but give me a legal way to get high.I missed out on so much there isn't one person that can say they take Methadone and don't get high.I was always nodding out couldn't take care of my kids was a worthless pice of crappy all becouse I was a Methadone junky.yea take this pill instead of this one how stupid.
I hit rock bottom and craved my way back up Methadone did nothing but make me suffer a lot longer.once you get a addict really sober you can see the dif like night and day.Subutex is better then Methadone at least they are trying to het better and not just keep getting high everyday.
It all a money racket keeping the addict up in drugs while the owners get rich.I hate Methadone worse drug they ever made.hardest drug to ever get off of.you come off OF or heroin it takes about two weeks Methadone you. Never get sober if you do you wither suffer for six months or a year or. go to subutex and it takes even longer.you ever been around a Methadone junky just as bad as any other drug mostly worse.
Thank God I finally broke free from these clinics most people never do and I feel sorry for them they don't even see how bad off they really are.I pray for the addicts pray the clinic shut down and condemned the owners.do the right thing get sober don't take that garbage and end up dining and not knowing what life is really about.Peace out
Bad points

Cincinnati, OH

#23 Mar 12, 2011
One can not control what others do and how other preceive intervention. Everbody knows that treatment starts with the individual realizing they have the problem. If you think these programs were intended for you to have a legal way to get high, you are mistaken. I say you and I am sorry for your troubles. The problem is that we as a society suffer in ways you do not intend; but that never the less we do. I hope you truly get the help you need, but you have to want that help if any positive outcome will result from it. Beyond you, there is still the issue of what do we do and how do we deal with our end. Clinics are steps in the right direction especially next to some who feel that incarceration is the answer to all our problems. It matters little whether the cost to society comes from jail or clinics; when we are paying the bill anyway, don't you think. Push past yourself in the equation and you will see that you are just one factor, not the only one. Your specific addiction is not applicable to others as their addiction may be altogether different; so as bad and some not so bad. However, some might have the resources to pay for treatment themselves or through health care insurance. Incarceration does not accept health care insurance only tax dollars and incarceration is reactive not proactive and only deals with the symptoms; not the root cause of the problem. Only when you link drugs and people that a problem occurs. So, can you eliminate drugs? No. Can you eliminate people? No. Can you eliminate people using drugs? Depends on may factors. But, can you treat people that are on drugs? Yes. Therefore, how and what is the best way to do that? Many options, but how much will it cost and who will pay the bill? Now can you see that a matrix is needed to solve this complex problem? Good luck with your situation, but there is more at stake than just you and me.
poppy wrote:
I can't get over all the people that think Methadone helps drug addicts.I'm.a recovering addict used Methadone for over 15 years it did nothing but give me a legal way to get high.I missed out on so much there isn't one person that can say they take Methadone and don't get high.I was always nodding out couldn't take care of my kids was a worthless pice of crappy all becouse I was a Methadone junky.yea take this pill instead of this one how stupid.
I hit rock bottom and craved my way back up Methadone did nothing but make me suffer a lot longer.once you get a addict really sober you can see the dif like night and day.Subutex is better then Methadone at least they are trying to het better and not just keep getting high everyday.
It all a money racket keeping the addict up in drugs while the owners get rich.I hate Methadone worse drug they ever made.hardest drug to ever get off of.you come off OF or heroin it takes about two weeks Methadone you. Never get sober if you do you wither suffer for six months or a year or. go to subutex and it takes even longer.you ever been around a Methadone junky just as bad as any other drug mostly worse.
Thank God I finally broke free from these clinics most people never do and I feel sorry for them they don't even see how bad off they really are.I pray for the addicts pray the clinic shut down and condemned the owners.do the right thing get sober don't take that garbage and end up dining and not knowing what life is really about.Peace out
keith

Lexington, KY

#24 Mar 12, 2011
There are many good points to all the different postings, but unfortunately there are quite a few opinions which seem misguided or uneducated. It seems that the problem of NIMBY ( not in my back yard) is a real sticking point as to the proposed location of a new MMT clinic. It has to go somewhere and no matter where they try to put it there will be opposition. I think it is sad that people will not accept that addiction is a real and very dangerous disease. People would never act this way toward a vast majority of other conditions; yet it is always the most uninformed that have the loudest voice in which to lend their position.Like most things in life it comes down to the Individual. Are they in the program for the right reasons? Or , as others mentioned are they looking for a legal high? There will always be those who try to abuse any situation they are in, such as being in MMT and "chasing the high", which is steadily increasing their methadone dose until they are up near 200 mg a day. You can't help people that don't take their treatment seriously, and it is extremely unfair to those who are true to their treatment that they must suffer the indignities associated with being in treatment. There is no easy fix to these problems and there is NO solution that will please everyone. People who are educated about addiction can make the most informed opinions and like it been said before it comes down to the individual and their circumstances. As for the comments on DR. Shearer, yes he is always under investigation, yet he knows how to cover his ass. I know a guy who saw him for ten years( broken back) and the DR. pushed pill after pill, giving him stronger and stronger meds. He then told DR. that he thought he was addicted to the pills so DR, then gives him 2 weeks of the weakest pain-pills and cuts him off and kicks him out of his practice. I also know a girl who sees the same doc and she has no insurance and self-pays($100.00) each office visit, she constantly runs out of pills early, has them "stolen" from her, and looses them. He just switches her from pill to pill to keep her going. She claims it is b/c he is all about the money. No wonder this doc wants to open an MMT clinic, I wonder how many of his former patients attend any of the various clinics in the tri-state. I bet it is more than any other doctor. I know I said it earlier, but there is no easy fix. It takes the combined efforts of the dr. patients, their family and friends, addictions counselors, and the communities in which these facilities are located. If we can get everybody on the same page armed with correct information then maybe the perception of MMT can change. Drugs have destroyed numerous lives. MMT has saved many people and if used properly can repair the damage abuse has inflicted on so many. It takes individuals coming together with a common goal.
Good Points

Cincinnati, OH

#25 Mar 13, 2011
Another nice job Keith and you are hitting on another part of the problem. I do not know you and we have never met, I think. I can tell from how you write and what you say that you have an advanced level of understanding and you paid attention in school. Your passion for this subject is clear and on target, in my opinion. My point is not to placate to you, but to acknowledge that you are communicating to me advance thought and knowledge. Therefore, to have everybody on the same page, you must get them up to your level of thinking; which takes education and logic on their part. People that think logically sometimes fail to understand why others do not. People that are not educated, sometimes have trouble understanding fact and reason. It is this very gap that produces varied opinion about the solution to the problem. Both, whether intended or not, have a vested interest in being right as nobody wants to be wrong; especially opinionated people like us. Education, treatment, and time will undoubtedly produce the best results in getting us all on the same page. The question here is how long to we have?
However, your doctor example points to another problem altogether. Medical review boards need to step up and make second opinions mandatory when any controlled substances are involved; especially when treatment has gone on for longs periods of time. Once a pill/drugs track record is established by any doctor, put doctors on notice; forcing them to reevaluate their methods of treatment. Admittedly, some patients will have to receive controlled substances where little else is available, but clearly some can do without.
Back to the clinic’s placement: Like it or not, they are here to stay and like I said, that decision was made years ago. Once the federal government has decided this course of action, states and cities have little choice but to obey. And, why wouldn't they? They are getting the federal funding and the clinic is not going next to their home. This is good for business and dollars received are used in place of them having to raise taxes; which everybody knows subtracts votes and popularity. Bottom line, they are here to stay so let’s figure out a way to make the best of it and maximize their effectiveness.
Serious problems demand serious people to solve. Superficial solutions like:“Lock them up” is no solution, but just another problem. When we seek real solutions, we can not afford just to push our problem onto other governmental systems and simply hope that it will just go away. There are many theories on “crime displacement” which say that if you just increase your patrol force, your crime rate will go down, but neighboring communities will go up. Therefore, like this problem, we must stop and think logically how to arrest the problem, not just push it to another place or system.
Enjoyed the conversation and keep up the good work. Did you ever think about running for office? We all need progressive thinkers in government to keep society on the right track. You seem to have a good start.
Bad Points

Cincinnati, OH

#26 Mar 13, 2011
First,“all people” do not think that. Most people will agree that methadone clinics help some drug addicts, but it is true, not “all.” Most people would also agree that anybody that has a drug problem must realize it themselves, and that treatment starts with them, not the clinic or methadone received; as they are both clearly after the fact. Yes, it’s about money, but what isn't. Some say that money is the root of all evil. But others will say that the greed of money is the root cause, which I happen to agree with. Without the clinic, you may never know what you may have done; while you were not thinking clearly under the influence. Everybody would probably agree that addicts become desperate and act unpredictably. So, is it better to keep an eye on them, or just let them conduct business as usual? Saying methadone junkies are just as bad as others may be true. However, we as a society are stuck with both of them and how best to deal with it. Therefore, it makes little difference to me the how and when when I am stuck with the why and who. Remove yourself if you can, and at least try and see that everybody’s actions affect everybody else in a society. Congratulation on your success of breaking free, but others are still out there costing the rest of us plenty, in need of help, and forcing us (society) to deal with them.
poppy wrote:
I can't get over all the people that think Methadone helps drug addicts.I'm.a recovering addict used Methadone for over 15 years it did nothing but give me a legal way to get high.I missed out on so much there isn't one person that can say they take Methadone and don't get high.I was always nodding out couldn't take care of my kids was a worthless pice of crappy all becouse I was a Methadone junky.yea take this pill instead of this one how stupid.
I hit rock bottom and craved my way back up Methadone did nothing but make me suffer a lot longer.once you get a addict really sober you can see the dif like night and day.Subutex is better then Methadone at least they are trying to het better and not just keep getting high everyday.
It all a money racket keeping the addict up in drugs while the owners get rich.I hate Methadone worse drug they ever made.hardest drug to ever get off of.you come off OF or heroin it takes about two weeks Methadone you. Never get sober if you do you wither suffer for six months or a year or. go to subutex and it takes even longer.you ever been around a Methadone junky just as bad as any other drug mostly worse.
Thank God I finally broke free from these clinics most people never do and I feel sorry for them they don't even see how bad off they really are.I pray for the addicts pray the clinic shut down and condemned the owners.do the right thing get sober don't take that garbage and end up dining and not knowing what life is really about.Peace out
keith

Lexington, KY

#27 Mar 14, 2011
It appears to me that Good Points has taken much time and has put tremendous thought into his/her,( I am thinking Good Points is male, but I wish not to offend) postings. I am in complete agreement that treatment facilities are here to stay. I also agree that incarceration is not the answer. Kentucky's prisons are at 125% capacity which mirrors that of the national rate. I read a study recently on "crime dispacement" called the Kansas City Project and the reults of the study were that increased patrol to certain areas had less than a nominal effect upon crime. Of course this is only one study and I bet there are more out there that report the opposite.It almost seems that people lack the critical thinking skills that are required to see the complete picture on any given issue and they simply parrot others beliefs. I know the disease of addiction is highly unpleasant, but the fact remains that it has reached epidemical proportions. Simply casting aspersions upon addicts and treatment facilities does not address the real issue. I for one think that the word Methadone is often confused by the uneducated as being mathamphetamine; which of course further besmearches that form of treatment. Maybe if they started calling it Dolophine, Which I believe is its other name; perhaps that would ais in clearing confusion about the drug. As far as the doctor mentioned in my earlier post, he has curtailed some of his activity b/c of the statewide casper system.This allows doctors to see who is being prescribed what meds and which pharmacy they use; it in itself is not an answer just something which when added to other ideas and programs could make a significant difference. I also think that it will take the death of a powerfull politicians kid from overdose for addiction treatment to have the type of champion the cause needs. I truly believe that treating this disease is a just and noble undertaking that can save untold lives and help to keep families from being torn apart. Until treatment goes from a money making enterprise to being one of a humanitarian effort people will continue to be put off by the percieved greed and miss the bigger message: Helping others help themselves.
Good Points

Cincinnati, OH

#28 Mar 15, 2011
If you offend people you’re trying to sway, they just tune you out and opt to believe they are right; which goes to that vested interest I spoke of above. KASPER serves to identify not only doctors but people whom "doctor shop" bouncing from one doctor to another in hopes of obtaining drugs. Doctors along with law enforcement have access to the system, but law enforcement has to have an active case under investigation, before they are permitted to investigate “any person.” Therefore, the thought of suspecting someone or some doctor is not enough to investigate or access the system, just so you know. This means that no bells and whistles go off when a problem arises and only if by chance, they identify a problem, can they do something about it. That chance is remote to say the least. As noble as it sounds, helping people help themselves is much harder than it sounds. We agree that treatment starts with the individual, but if they do not want help, don't see themselves as having a problem, or that a doctor or law enforcement does not identify them, they go untreated and the problem continues as usual. Breaking this cycle is key, and when attacking any fort, you look for the weakest spot or suffer mass casualties. Identifying such spots is essentially what we are doing. So attacking on multiple fronts, so to speak, is how we must get started. Treatment, identifying users and doctors, educating our youth, and finding the best governmental system to handle it is the only way we have a chance to intervene and become successful with our efforts. Each factor in this equation must be identified and honed to suit this effort or users, doctors, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and addicts will just exploit the weak spot. Never forget this is all about money; who is making it, who is benefiting from it, and who stands to loose it when we choose to fight against it.
hell nah

Cincinnati, OH

#29 Mar 15, 2011
dont want more black and mexicans in latonia. please move it over to cincinnati
keith

Lexington, KY

#30 Mar 15, 2011
The old adage of follow the money rings true. Like all health related issues in America, the money is in the treatment and not the cure. I am interested in knowing if any studies have been conducted relating the disease of addiction with any pre-existing neurological disorders? Is it possible to cure addiction? Or is the only option to confront the disease from all possible angles, as you had suggested? I do agree that for now that is the best course of action until some further understanding is discovered. It bothers me greatly that those who suffer from this disease are viewed as second rate citizens who do not deserve any self-respect or compassion because they are so negatively viewed by mainstream society. I try to dissuade those of that opinion and ask them to use their critical thinking skills a see things such as this for what they truly are.. I must say to you Good Points that I have honestly enjoyed this open exchange of dialogue. I wish others on this forum had your wisdom and forsight. I also would like the people posting racist garbage to stop. It serves no ones benefit.
FlorenceWantsCli nic

Lexington, KY

#31 Mar 16, 2011
Put it in at the florence mall. It's nothing but a scam anyway, to sell their drugs. They don't give a sheeet about anybody on drugs, they want people hooked on that meth to make cash. The dirty crooks.
Bad Points

Cincinnati, OH

#32 Mar 17, 2011
Now do you see Keith? It takes all kinds to makeup a society. Some ignore the problem altogether, make comments that have nothing whatsoever to do with anything, and some demonize addicts as crooks. Try getting these last two on the same page as us....Good luck, we are going to need it.
TMG

Cincinnati, OH

#33 May 4, 2011
I see it as a 2 way street. I think the clinic could help some people get off drugs who want the help. Keep in mind that we are talking about people who are addicts. Alot of times people steal to support their habit so will they steal to get the money to pay for the services this clinic provides. When opening these clinics they should find a better way to help those in need of getting off drugs pay for it.
The facts

United States

#34 Jul 16, 2011
The guy claiming that his mothers addiction is her doctors fault needs to educate himself on the topic and start thinking before he posts. My addiction started when my doctor prescribed me oxycontin for an upcoming back surgery. Within two months I was hooked. After the surgery I started taking a little more than I was prescribed and it snowbalked from there. A month or so later, I tossed the pills and headed to the clinic. It wasn't the doctors fault that I had become addicted, it was mine.
The facts

United States

#35 Jul 16, 2011
When you start the clinic you are checked out by a doctor and given a drug test to make sure that you don't have anything (like xanax) in your system that will harm you when mixed with methadone. They start you off at 30 mg. for the first day and increase your dose 5 mg. a day until you're at a stable dose. This is where so many people do the wrong thing. I increased for three days and stopped at 45 mg. This isn't a grocery store so getting more bang for your buck doesn't apply here. I was prescribed three O.C. 40's a day and 45 mg. did me just fine. Some people go as high as they can and end up "lifers" because they chose to take there dose up to 140 mg. or higher.
The facts

United States

#36 Jul 16, 2011
I waited six months and then began my detox. I went down 2 mg. a week and the entire process took me about six months. I have been clean and sober for over a year now and I'm proud of my recovery, not ashamed. No matter where they put a clinic, people will oppose it. There will always be people that put it down even though they know nothing about it. If you're tring to conquer your addiction just know that it can be done. Never let anyone get you down, there not worth it.
The facts

United States

#37 Jul 16, 2011
* they're
John Hill

Newark, OH

#38 Jul 27, 2011
People On Methadone Just Want To Get Their Med and Go Home. They Aren't Interested In Raping Your Kids Or Robbing Your House. Gt a Grip Morons!
John Hill

Newark, OH

#39 Jul 27, 2011
Half Of Latonia Will Be The First People In Line.
concernedmom

Middletown, OH

#40 Jul 28, 2011
hell nah wrote:
dont want more black and mexicans in latonia. please move it over to cincinnati


It is more mexican andwhites addicted to these drugs I see it everyday but young black men are the suppliers and choose thos life style they see it as easy money but color don't matter either way it goes I am against it
latonia father

Cincinnati, OH

#41 Nov 11, 2011
shel38 wrote:
<quoted text> well its obvious that you are not educated about addiction at all, dont you think that if people could just stay off the dope then they would? if it were only that easy.what would locking them up do? addicts need treatment just like diabetics need insulin, addiction is a disease, please educate yourself.
Locking them up would keep them away from my children and the other children in my town. How ever i do agree they do need treatment it is a disease you cant just quit but however give it to them while theyre locked up keep them out of genpop (general population in side of a correction facility)dont want or need the added worry about so junky smack addict weak minded person that close to where i live and shop

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