Councilors criticize Red Apple, want ...

Councilors criticize Red Apple, want answers

There are 19 comments on the Farmington Daily Times story from Nov 10, 2010, titled Councilors criticize Red Apple, want answers. In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

Red Apple Transit should expand by adding a bus route between Aztec and Bloomfield, change its route structure in Farmington and add more stops, a report by a consultant says.

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SoberBro

Fruitland, NM

#1 Nov 10, 2010
about time someone stepped up and hopefully will give more services to local areas. I have lots of friends who need services on the outskirts of farmington. I think Linear routes sound great too. not the Loop de Loops BS that was imposed. thank you.
Peter Griffin

Florence, AL

#2 Nov 10, 2010
First of all as I stated before all of the "meetings" by the firm conducting the study were in the middle of the day when those who actually have a job could not attend.
Second I don't see these buses being used enough right now to warrant any expansion.
Third PMS couldn't run this "bus" system to break even.
Fourth, even if the system did expand it would mean every person would cost over $4.00 per ride. What does the bus charge per ride?$1.00,$1.50? Looks like a loss to me.
Fifth, I don't care where you say the money comes from, Federal,State,City govt. It really comes out of the TAXPAYERS pockets.
We just keep whipping this dead horse........
M Benson

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Nov 10, 2010
The concept of the Red Apple transit service in Farmington is great. However, they need more stops on the city route. If I want to ride the bus, I would have to either walk several blocks in order to find the nearest stop, or get in my car and drive to the stop, which kind of defeats the purpose of using the facility.
Aldo, I have never seen the point of buying those larger "trolley" type vehicles, when so often they are almost empty and seem to havea hard time getting around some of the corners here in town.
We need the service both here in town and also between the other towns here in San Juan county, but we need a service that is both available and convenient for riders.
Billy Joe Jack

Santa Fe, NM

#4 Nov 10, 2010
The whole thing is a waste of money. Empty buses going nowhwere.
POOP DECK PAPPY

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Nov 10, 2010
It's about time the City Fathers (and Mother) start to ask questions. Public transit was well intentioned, but the facts are that the busses are almost always under-utilized. What I find significant about this article is the lack of any comment from Rod Hunt. This is his "baby". Remember Mr. Hunt's assurances the "Trolley's" would improve ridership? I question if any of these "band-aid" solutions will alter the outcome.
Gaia Girl

Grand Junction, CO

#6 Nov 10, 2010
How wonderful it would be to finally have a viable public transportation system in this area! It may be under utilized now, but that is due to the poor route design. I would definitely leave my car at home and commute via bus from Aztec to Bloomfield for my job if the route were available. We need to all become more conscientous regarding our dependancy on oil and begin to take steps to remedy this. The future looks bright!
Common Sense

Tuba City, AZ

#7 Nov 10, 2010
From personal observations, there are very few riders in the buses.
Possible reasons: needed destinations and departure places are not being serviced.
Solutions: ID the largest potential customer base. Students to San Juan College from Blanco, Bloomfield, Magee Park Area,(all along HW 64) Contract with School Systems for feeder routes for College Students from Chaco, Blanco Trading Post etc. They would make a switch in Bloomfield.
Stop and drop-off at Mall, Magee Park WalMarts. With various School Contracts, the Red Apple could buble and compliment the delivery of students from after school activities. YOU NEED TO PARTNER UP with other entities in the same business. Get all the "partners" together, Navajo transit, Ute Mountain Casino, Taxi Co's, everybody that hauls passengers for whatever reason. Have you done this yet? Why not? Every City and entity is doing their own "little thing". None will be successful until each of their needs and specialties are pared together. There is a need and it could be successful if everybody works together. Put all egos and politics aside. Put Jason Sandel, George Duncan, Mary Fisher, Leonard Trujillo, J. Paul Brown,(I can't think of a good leader in the Shiprock area, there will be no money to scam!) on a steering committee, they will come up with a plan.
Marvin

Los Alamos, NM

#8 Nov 10, 2010
Common Sense wrote:
From personal observations, there are very few riders in the buses.
Possible reasons: needed destinations and departure places are not being serviced.
Solutions: ID the largest potential customer base. Students to San Juan College from Blanco, Bloomfield, Magee Park Area,(all along HW 64) Contract with School Systems for feeder routes for College Students from Chaco, Blanco Trading Post etc. They would make a switch in Bloomfield.
Stop and drop-off at Mall, Magee Park WalMarts. With various School Contracts, the Red Apple could buble and compliment the delivery of students from after school activities. YOU NEED TO PARTNER UP with other entities in the same business. Get all the "partners" together, Navajo transit, Ute Mountain Casino, Taxi Co's, everybody that hauls passengers for whatever reason. Have you done this yet? Why not? Every City and entity is doing their own "little thing". None will be successful until each of their needs and specialties are pared together. There is a need and it could be successful if everybody works together. Put all egos and politics aside. Put Jason Sandel, George Duncan, Mary Fisher, Leonard Trujillo, J. Paul Brown,(I can't think of a good leader in the Shiprock area, there will be no money to scam!) on a steering committee, they will come up with a plan.
I couldn't think of an honest leader in Shiprock either.

They should expand the route to Shiprock. Lots and lots of Navajos drive to Wal Mart everday from there. Just once a day, twice a week for starters.
double duty

Farmington, NM

#9 Nov 10, 2010
Increase ridership and save millions a year......HOW......... make it mandatory that all city employees utilize the Red Apple Bus System and park the 500 city vehicles you see everyday with only one person in them. That decision would take both Courage and Leadership from the City of Farmington......... Do we have both ??????????
Communistic Ways

Grand Junction, CO

#10 Nov 10, 2010
Farmington isn't the type of city that needs such a huge public transit system. Transit systems are needed and are used in huge, gridlocked, traffic-ridden cities. Most people here have cars and trucks, and want to drive their cars and trucks. Those that don't (street people) don't want to waste their quarters on bus fare as they're saving them for booze from the grocery stores. It's nice to have public transit, but there's no way we're going to "stuff the bus" in this area. There's just no need. It's sad to see these huge, fancy trolly busses driving around with one or two people in them. Another example of the Federal govt. wasting money on un-needed things, when they could have ASKED us what we needed (i.e. help with the animal shelter, help with homeless shelters, etc.) It's really more like the communist system when we have to use earmarks in this way.
Puddin

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Nov 10, 2010
The system will never make economic sense from a dollars to doughnuts perspective. What you are basically doing is providing a public service to improve quality of life for residents who for whatever reason cannot obtain or operate their own transportation. It is exactly like a homeless shelter or library. Now I have no problem with that, but if people look at it like it should provide an economic benefit or somehow pay for itself, they will always "see red". Get it? Public transportation is only economically viable in densely populated areas like Europe or NYC. Everywhere else they try it, it bleeds money. America loves the automobile, and that is just the way it is.
Circles

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Nov 11, 2010
The Red Apple is just like Rob Mayes, running around in circles.

Good study.

Another big problem that reflects on the Mayes' Administration.

Again, how much would it cost to pay Mayes to leave ?
mean1

United States

#13 Nov 11, 2010
I think it would be nice if the public transit in this area would cater to those at the bars!! Maybe DUI wouldn't be such a problem if there were viable means of transportation from the bars... Just a thought.
bahama

Nageezi, NM

#14 Nov 11, 2010
Send Mayes packing. The City of Farmington needs a paid day off for Veteran's Day. Lot of city jobs have no benefits. Only the top administrators benefit.
Puddin Head

Santa Fe, NM

#15 Nov 11, 2010
This ain't New York City. Public transportation is great and essential where folks are living on top of other folks. That is just not the case here. Those who live here who need the service -- elderly, disabled, etc. - cannot make it to the widely scattered bus stops in the first place. It's a nice thought, but somebody needs to stand up and say no to this kind of well intentioned waste.
progress

Farmington, NM

#16 Nov 11, 2010
I second the motion of providing service not only to the bars, but during evening hours in general. Impose a per patron "cover charge" on establishments that serve alcohol to cover the costs. With increased revenues at local bars and restaurants the $1.00/1.50 per person could be absorbed with no negative effects. It will require marketing though. People need to be reminded that we have a public transit system and there are reasons to utilize it. Allow local business to contribute financially to the system and make up window decals that say something like "ride the RAT, get home safe" or bumper stickers that say "my other ride is a big red bus" with a logo. Let's start doing some youth outreach to engrain the positive aspects of public transit in the minds of the local youth-when they get older they will be more likely to ride the bus and understand how the routes run and how to use them effectively. There are ways to make this work if we think outside the box.
Farmingtonian

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Nov 11, 2010
POOP DECK PAPPY wrote:
It's about time the City Fathers (and Mother) start to ask questions. Public transit was well intentioned, but the facts are that the busses are almost always under-utilized. What I find significant about this article is the lack of any comment from Rod Hunt. This is his "baby". Remember Mr. Hunt's assurances the "Trolley's" would improve ridership? I question if any of these "band-aid" solutions will alter the outcome.
Rod Hunt was thinking, "If we build it, they will come". His thinking was backassswards. Farmington couldn't even fill the freakin' small vans before these ridiculous trolleys showed up. Mr. Hunt was also convinced that it was "someone else's" money paying for the trolleys - Federal tax dollars or stimulus spending. Apparently it never occured to him that we all (or most of us) pay Federal taxes.
Politically Correct

Grand Junction, CO

#18 Nov 11, 2010
You're partially correct. These were federal dollars and they were earmarked for these trolleys. Mayes and Rod Hunt didn't have a choice. Well, they did: refuse the money, or take the trolleys. They took the trolleys. The fault here is not local government! The fault is with the federal government coming in and saying "this is what you will buy with OUR money we're giving you!" How illogical is that? When the federal government steps in and illogically dumps money in local governments without asking where the real need is, there's a problem. This is how communist systems operate. Tell the federal government to either do proper research to see what cities NEED before forcing money on them, or to keep their money and pay off our federal deficit!
Farmingtonian wrote:
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Rod Hunt was thinking, "If we build it, they will come". His thinking was backassswards. Farmington couldn't even fill the freakin' small vans before these ridiculous trolleys showed up. Mr. Hunt was also convinced that it was "someone else's" money paying for the trolleys - Federal tax dollars or stimulus spending. Apparently it never occured to him that we all (or most of us) pay Federal taxes.
Puddin Head

Santa Fe, NM

#19 Nov 11, 2010
Shoulda told 'em thanks, but no thanks.

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