How do we protect kids in school?

How do we protect kids in school?

There are 6103 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Jan 8, 2013, titled How do we protect kids in school?. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

During a newsroom discussion about guns about a decade ago, a woman piped up: "I don't understand what the big deal is.

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“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#318 Feb 17, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>You just don't get it. I'll try to explain.
I started calling you "psycho, nut-job, etc. after you made the comment about being involved in numerous "lethal" gun situations. I did it to try and point out that you could easily be IDed as a gun nut job and if we had a program to ID gun nuts, some well meaning citizen might, if they heard your admissions, turn you in to the authorities. Your life could be negatively impacted.(Just one aspect of many regarding your goal not being realistic). That's why we have "due process" clauses in the const. It appears you would quickly give up that right to prevent ANY gun control legislation whatsoever. Sad.
Oh, I see. You just read whatever the hell you want no matter what I actually write. Got it.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#319 Feb 17, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I see. You just read whatever the hell you want no matter what I actually write. Got it.
Oh you poor misunderstood ________.(you fill in the blank). Read your own crap and tell me what you really meant.

There would have been two dead yahoos to clean up and a new shotgun in my collection if it had been me.

I've also been in lethal confrontations (more than I would have liked) and I'm still here.

Just because you don't have the knowledge or experience to understand how the real world works when the shit hits the fan, don't assume that everyone else is as inept as you and your cousin.

There's no half-stepping in a lethal confrontation.

Plus all that "defend to death" bullshit.

You don't sound at all like a reasonable adult when you write crap like this. You sound like a 2nd amendment, paranoid, gun nut. You sound as nutty as LaPiere. And member or not, you spew the same propaganda as the NRA and the cammo wearing, AR slung, Glock holstered, anti-government Tea Party flakes.
Get some sense of yourself and join the conversation. Otherwise, you appear as just another nut job. Misunderstood or not.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#320 Feb 17, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>Oh you poor misunderstood ________.(you fill in the blank). Read your own crap and tell me what you really meant.
There would have been two dead yahoos to clean up and a new shotgun in my collection if it had been me.
I've also been in lethal confrontations (more than I would have liked) and I'm still here.
Just because you don't have the knowledge or experience to understand how the real world works when the shit hits the fan, don't assume that everyone else is as inept as you and your cousin.
There's no half-stepping in a lethal confrontation.
Plus all that "defend to death" bullshit.
You don't sound at all like a reasonable adult when you write crap like this. You sound like a 2nd amendment, paranoid, gun nut. You sound as nutty as LaPiere. And member or not, you spew the same propaganda as the NRA and the cammo wearing, AR slung, Glock holstered, anti-government Tea Party flakes.
Get some sense of yourself and join the conversation. Otherwise, you appear as just another nut job. Misunderstood or not.
Are you really that out of touch with reality? No, seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. Cammo wearing? AR slung? Glock holstered? Anti-government? Tea bag? What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know? Were you born this simpleminded or did you need to work at it?(that WAS sarcastic)

Get some sense of yourself and join the real world. Otherwise, you appear as just another naive idiot.
xando

Surprise, AZ

#321 Feb 18, 2013
LOLOLOL!

Kept your vehicle between you and them? Made them lie on the ground? LOL! The bad guys don't always cooperate, and they have the element of surprise. Those ol boys would have had their way with you or shot you dead. LOL! You watch too much TV. and no, you still don't have the scenario right.

But let's say you're right--most gun owners don't really know how to use their guns or how to react in lethal situations (maybe they don't watch the right TV shows like you do), and their guns are either rendered useless or become their own worst enemies--THAT is a statistical fact. There are very few cases where having a gun has worked to the advantage of the good guy; bad guy usually prevails. So since these guns aren't helping the gun toters, should the inept owners just not have them?

I'm sure very few people are as schooled as you (albeit through fictional TV shows) in handling lethal situations.

LOL.....you need to watch better TV, or you'll get yourself killed if you ever really DO get into a life threatening situation. Until now, it's nothing more than your fantasy and overactive imagination.
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>You're the one who said your cousin pulled his gun on two "good ol' boys" who then pulled a shotgun and robbed him. Okay, let's take a look at it from what you've said. The good ol' boys were blocking the way to your cousin's property. Your cousin pulls up and when they don't move he brandishes his weapon even though the good ol' boys haven't displayed a weapon (that's swagering). Then AFTER your cousin brandishes his weapon and has the drop on the good ol' boys, they manage to get their weapon out and rob your cousin without being shot by your cousin (that's totally stupid or totally spineless or both). I would have kept my vehicle between us and wouldn't have drawn my weapon until they made a play for theirs.....and I would not have hesitated to fire if they chose not to drop their weapon and lie face down on the ground. There is a right way to do things, you and your cousin need some training. It ain't rocket science.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#322 Feb 18, 2013
bleeding heart liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Looking back on my years in education I certainly am relieved that several members of the staff were not armed. We had a number of self appointed Deputy Dogs that were scary enough unarmed.
They took great pleasure in taking kids to the back room with their hand picked witnesses and whacking on them. Give them guns?
So you knew they were abusing and assaulting children and didnít report them? Youíre as guilty as they are for saying nothing.

As a so called educator, do you have an intelligent course of action to keep out or respond to an active shooter at any school? BTW banning any type of weapon isnít the answer, the guns are still in the hands of a potentially deranged shooter.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#323 Feb 18, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>Damn, what a plan. You should go on FOX and explain it.
So, whatís your plan? Do you even have one? All of this bickering going on right now concerning a proposed gun ban wonít stop another S.H.E.S in any school. Nothing is being done to respond to an active shooter in any school anywhere!!
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#324 Feb 18, 2013
xando wrote:
LOLOLOL!
Kept your vehicle between you and them? Made them lie on the ground? LOL! The bad guys don't always cooperate, and they have the element of surprise. Those ol boys would have had their way with you or shot you dead. LOL! You watch too much TV. and no, you still don't have the scenario right.
But let's say you're right--most gun owners don't really know how to use their guns or how to react in lethal situations (maybe they don't watch the right TV shows like you do), and their guns are either rendered useless or become their own worst enemies--THAT is a statistical fact. There are very few cases where having a gun has worked to the advantage of the good guy; bad guy usually prevails. So since these guns aren't helping the gun toters, should the inept owners just not have them?
I'm sure very few people are as schooled as you (albeit through fictional TV shows) in handling lethal situations.
LOL.....you need to watch better TV, or you'll get yourself killed if you ever really DO get into a life threatening situation. Until now, it's nothing more than your fantasy and overactive imagination.
<quoted text>
On top of every thing else, it appears our gun totin' Bronson wannabe has never been to a Tea Party Rally or a pro gun rally to really see himself for what HE is. All these people are as phony as a three dollar bill. They all have a Rambo fantasy.
Also strange how they say they want to keep the guns out of the hands of the bad guys, yet they are the number one source of guns for the bad guys; through theft and market availability. Ironic? No, just plan stupid.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#325 Feb 18, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>OK. Here's the plan? Since any plan will cost money, how about this as a start; Set up a special fed tax for guns, ammo and accessories- 25% should do it- to be used exclusively to reduce the number of violent criminals and homicidal lunatic individuals in our midst. Also, let's allow civil suits against gun mfgs and dist. to pay for any damages and suffering use of their tools caused. You know, just like we do with cigarette and power tool companies and the like. And people like you, who worship the 2nd, should have to set up an org. for the purpose of lobbing the NRA to lobby the legislatures and help fund the building of more prisons and psyco wards. Your org. should also lobby the states and the feds to change privacy laws so the mental records of ALL individuals could be released to officials for screening and possible internment. Also, the feds should set up a Big Brother incentive program for people like me to ID hot dogs like you- cause I'm convinced you are a nut job- so you can be scrutinized by the authorities. It would get their kids, friends and neighbors involved in getting the great unwanted off the streets as well.
How does that sound, Dad?
It's a good plan. I think it'll work.
Thereís already a 11% tax on firearms and ammunition, itís called the Pittman- Roberson Act.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#326 Feb 18, 2013
Get Out wrote:
<quoted text>
So, whatís your plan? Do you even have one? All of this bickering going on right now concerning a proposed gun ban wonít stop another S.H.E.S in any school. Nothing is being done to respond to an active shooter in any school anywhere!!
I don't do plans, Jocko. I leave that up to the pros. I'm not in position to implement a plan even if I had one. DUH! And I'm happy you aren't either.
And you're wrong. A lot is being done that you obviously don't know about, including discussions about arming facility, I'm sure. I happen to believe that would be an extremely bad decision, but hey, so was the decision not to renew the ban on ARs. To me, a better answer is to set up a secure perimeter around the schools. But what do I know about security-not much.
I do have enough sense to know there are too many guns on the streets and school security, as tragic as it is, is only a part of a much larger gun violence problem. So the first thing I would want to see done is a large reduction in the manufacture of "street guns". Next, I would like to see a continuing effort to encourage people to turn in these guns to law enforcement for destruction. But these things are not "plans"; they're goals. I don't do plans.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#327 Feb 18, 2013
Get Out wrote:
<quoted text>
Thereís already a 11% tax on firearms and ammunition, itís called the Pittman- Roberson Act.
I did not know that, thanks. Now that I do, I need to up my estimate of 25% to 225%-kinda like we've done cigs- and if that's not enough, add another 100%.
Thanks for showing me how conservative my thinking was.
xando

Surprise, AZ

#328 Feb 18, 2013
Get Out wrote:
<quoted text>
So you knew they were abusing and assaulting children and didnít report them? Youíre as guilty as they are for saying nothing.
As a so called educator, do you have an intelligent course of action to keep out or respond to an active shooter at any school? BTW banning any type of weapon isnít the answer, the guns are still in the hands of a potentially deranged shooter.
Seriously? This, coming from a good, conservative gun toter? It's called corporal punishment, and most "conservatives" lament its demise.

I've heard enough bragadocious stories about how the paddler would take a running start with a thick wooden paddle, hitting the kid in the buttox with all their strength, all the while under the...uh...watchful eye of a "witness." This punishment was handed out equally to girls and boys by both male and female teachers. Then, of course, they got to gloat and joke about it in the lounge.

I'm surprised there were not more lawsuits, but thankfully that archaic practice was eliminated, much to the chagrin and hand wrenching of kneejerk conservatives who still swear that's "part of the problem" in our schools.

Total ignorance would suggest arming teachers--for many reasons.
xando

Surprise, AZ

#329 Feb 18, 2013
Oh, and this was sanctioned by school districts across America until people began to view it as excessive, and districts feared lawsuits. Now, they really are not allowed to put their hands on children.

But this is an aside from the topic. It just highlights the hypocrisy and irony from you righties, though.
xando

Surprise, AZ

#330 Feb 18, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>On top of every thing else, it appears our gun totin' Bronson wannabe has never been to a Tea Party Rally or a pro gun rally to really see himself for what HE is. All these people are as phony as a three dollar bill. They all have a Rambo fantasy.
Also strange how they say they want to keep the guns out of the hands of the bad guys, yet they are the number one source of guns for the bad guys; through theft and market availability. Ironic? No, just plan stupid.
Yep, the inconsistencies from this crew are blatant.

The Rambo Ramblings do give me a good chuckle, though. They long for this experience, but it never comes their way, and if it does, statistics show their guns don't really help them--in fact, may harm them.

“leaning left”

Since: Mar 09

local

#331 Feb 18, 2013
Get Out wrote:
<quoted text>
So you knew they were abusing and assaulting children and didnít report them? Youíre as guilty as they are for saying nothing.
As a so called educator, do you have an intelligent course of action to keep out or respond to an active shooter at any school? BTW banning any type of weapon isnít the answer, the guns are still in the hands of a potentially deranged shooter.
Where did you get the idea it was not reported.

There are so many things that are not possible, example: identifying every potential shooter, getting all criminals and nuts off the street, "Squash's" suggestion. Why not try the things that could possibly help. Such as: doing away with high capacity magazines, clips and military type weapons. That would be a start.

BTW, my career education was short lived.

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#332 Feb 18, 2013
I just saw the Prime Minister of Australia on TV yesterday. He said gun violence has dropped 59% across the board since they implemented gun control in 1996.

Apparently, not only has suicide by gun dropped by 33%, but criminals are having a harder time getting guns.

There goes that argument.
Besara

Omaha, NE

#333 Feb 18, 2013
Saint_ wrote:
I just saw the Prime Minister of Australia on TV yesterday. He said gun violence has dropped 59% across the board since they implemented gun control in 1996.
But he didn't mention how much violent crime increased after that implementation.
Saint_ wrote:
Apparently, not only has suicide by gun dropped by 33%, but criminals are having a harder time getting guns.
There goes that argument.
And yet Japan (with more stringent gun control than the US) has a higher suicide rate than the US.
There goes that argument.
grace

Albuquerque, NM

#334 Feb 18, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>
But he didn't mention how much violent crime increased after that implementation.
<quoted text>And yet Japan (with more stringent gun control than the US) has a higher suicide rate than the US.
There goes that argument.
Gun suicides?
Besara

Omaha, NE

#335 Feb 18, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>OK. Here's the plan? Since any plan will cost money, how about this as a start; Set up a special fed tax for guns, ammo and accessories- 25% should do it- to be used exclusively to reduce the number of violent criminals and homicidal lunatic individuals in our midst. Also, let's allow civil suits against gun mfgs and dist. to pay for any damages and suffering use of their tools caused.
And you'll be doing that against the car manufacturers too. Right?
factologist wrote:
You know, just like we do with cigarette and power tool companies and the like. And people like you, who worship the 2nd, should have to set up an org. for the purpose of lobbing the NRA to lobby the legislatures and help fund the building of more prisons and psyco wards.
And you NAMBLA worshippers have plans to disarm the people from being able to stop you and your ilk. It's all becoming clear now.
factologist wrote:
Your org. should also lobby the states and the feds to change privacy laws so the mental records of ALL individuals could be released to officials for screening and possible internment.
That's a first amendment and privacy issue. Nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. Your mental health defects are coming out now.
factologist wrote:
Also, the feds should set up a Big Brother incentive program for people like me to ID hot dogs like you- cause I'm convinced you are a nut job- so you can be scrutinized by the authorities.
And we'll ID people like you because you shouldn't be trolling the playgrounds and day cares.
factologist wrote:
It would get their kids, friends and neighbors involved in getting the great unwanted off the streets as well.
How does that sound, Dad?
It's a good plan. I think it'll work.
Well, when you and your John Gacy wannabes get together, put it up to a vote.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#336 Feb 18, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a sick MF, aren't you?
So much for your input.

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#337 Feb 18, 2013
Besara wrote:
Well, when you and your wannabes get together, put it up to a vote.
Sounds good to me, there's a lot more of us than there are of right-wing NEOCON fascists like yourself.(See: Most recent presidential election.) We're the wave of the future, we are willing to look around and change. We understand that things cannot stay the same, and trying to turn back the clock to the Ozzy and Harriet days is an exercise in stagnation.

Gun control will come, bet the farm on it. The souls of 30,000 dead Americans per year cry out for it, and the majority of Americans can hear them.

America is changing, be a part of the change or get out of the way.

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