Work on $11.4 million Farmington BLM ...

Work on $11.4 million Farmington BLM building starts soon

There are 27 comments on the Farmington Daily Times story from Apr 25, 2010, titled Work on $11.4 million Farmington BLM building starts soon. In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

An Arizona company will build an $11.4 million, stimulus-funded Bureau of Land Management building that will almost double the size of the federal agency's current building.

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C Lee Nickel

Albuquerque, NM

#22 Apr 27, 2010
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silly - they are hopelessly understaffed and manage almost 2 million acres on our behalf. Of course they need more boots on the ground and in the field - especially for law enforcement and resource protection, but to suggest that they are sitting in fancy digs (LOL) doing nothing of importance is insulting and untrue.
You've obviously never been in the BLM office in Farmington, so you have no idea what you are talking about, therefore, your nameless opinion is once again useless.

There is exactly one field law enforcment officer for the entire Farmington district, and there are less than 200 for the whole nation. Yet the BLM says that's all they need in the field. So if they are "hopelessly understaffed", it's by their own choosing. If you visit the office, you will see plenty of people sitting in their cubicles, talking on the phone and shuffling paperwork. It's a typical government bureaucracy, no different than any other. Top heavy with management who rarely see the field.

Unfortunately, there are far too many people like you, who defend the status quo, for any real change to take place. Like the Obama Administration's version of "Change", there are plenty of smoke and mirrors, but don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.
Unfortunately

Albuquerque, NM

#23 Apr 27, 2010
C Lee Nickel wrote:
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You've obviously never been in the BLM office in Farmington, so you have no idea what you are talking about, therefore, your nameless opinion is once again useless.
There is exactly one field law enforcment officer for the entire Farmington district, and there are less than 200 for the whole nation. Yet the BLM says that's all they need in the field. So if they are "hopelessly understaffed", it's by their own choosing. If you visit the office, you will see plenty of people sitting in their cubicles, talking on the phone and shuffling paperwork. It's a typical government bureaucracy, no different than any other. Top heavy with management who rarely see the field.
Unfortunately, there are far too many people like you, who defend the status quo, for any real change to take place. Like the Obama Administration's version of "Change", there are plenty of smoke and mirrors, but don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.
you can't read and love to go off on insults and tangents.

Of course I've been there and to other field offices. They need more people in the field. They are understaffed and thus necessary work is conducted by contractors. What you call "shuffling papers" is the evaluation of work being done to support permitting and their other missions. In other words taking care of the public lands and managing the resources on behalf of the people. It is a lie to say that the BLM believes they have adequate law enforcement or environmental compliance staff. That may be some kind of political posture, but I've never heard anyone even hint at that at the field office level - quite the opposite.
C Lee Nickel

Albuquerque, NM

#24 Apr 27, 2010
ephotonic wrote:
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Well, I cant be everywhere at once. I have not read any news about any buildings destroyed by the BLM. No disputes in the paper (not that that is reliable). I have read about the BLM messing up a couple of events in the glade. But abuses do sound like money selling news to me. I also dont understand how somebody should have a permanent personal building on public land? How does that work? Your the only one here that has said anything specific about the abuses of the BLM. Maybe you should document that and write a book? How about a PBS documentary? I'll help.
I have seen plenty of trash in the glade. It seems a little better now but I remember piles of recent garbage, diapers, beer bottles, busted up couches and beds, dishwashers just thrown out there. It kind of bothered me that people would treat open land, that is actually kind of nice, as a dump.
I'd like to see the tea partiers converge on the BLM offices and do a citizen audit. Stand over the shoulders and document them sitting on their butts. That sounds useful. Report to MSNBC and CNN.(or we can put it in the documentary)
Then again, the entire department of the interior budget is only .3% of the federal budget. And that money is staying in the USA recirculating in the economy.(unlike $10M per hour going out of the country we freely pay for foreign oil). Maybe there is bigger fish to fry?
When it comes to "clean ups", I have no problem with the cleanup of modern "trash", and volunteering to do so is a noble thing. What I'm talking about is the destruction of our nation's history through the selective removal of "trespasses" which are often arbitrarily decided at the local level. One historical ranch building, mining camp, or other structure is saved and restored using tax monies, using paid for and donated materials and paid and volunteer labor, while another is burned or torn down. Often the decision is made based on whether the building is some government employee's pet project, or whether a BLM employee has an "ax to grind" with either the claimholder, rancher, or other interested party.

There have been cases where people were led to believe that something would be saved, or that some restoration work would be allowed to take place, only to have the BLM come along and tear the place down after the work was completed. In a couple of states, the BLM has advertised the public use of old miner's or rancher's cabins that are no longer associated with the ranch or mining claim involved, and then encouraged restoration and improvement, only to have the restoration or improvement later deemed inapropriate, and then having the restoration either halted, the entire building destroyed, and improvement ordered removed. It would seem the BLM is just like any other government agency in that they have learned full well how to waste money and manpower, whether using taxpayer dollars, donations, or volunteers.

As for there being "bigger fish to fry", there most certainly are. Government power needs to be reduced across the board, and government budgets and employees need to be cut across the board as well. However, this particular thread pertains merely to the nearly $12 million building soon to be built, and necessity of same. I assert that the necessity for such building is dubious at best, and is a symptom of rampant government growth, which needs to be curtailed.

As for you wish that either CNN or MSNBC pick up the story, keep dreaming. If there were to be any coordinated public reporting concerning the issue, it would be Fox News that would do it. They are the only national news outlet without a pro-big government bias.

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#25 Apr 27, 2010
C Lee Nickel wrote:
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When it comes to "clean ups", I have no problem with the cleanup of modern "trash", and volunteering to do so is a noble thing. What I'm talking about is the destruction of our nation's history through the selective removal of "trespasses" which are often arbitrarily decided at the local level. One historical ranch building, mining camp, or other structure is saved and restored using tax monies, using paid for and donated materials and paid and volunteer labor, while another is burned or torn down. Often the decision is made based on whether the building is some government employee's pet project, or whether a BLM employee has an "ax to grind" with either the claimholder, rancher, or other interested party.
There have been cases where people were led to believe that something would be saved, or that some restoration work would be allowed to take place, only to have the BLM come along and tear the place down after the work was completed. In a couple of states, the BLM has advertised the public use of old miner's or rancher's cabins that are no longer associated with the ranch or mining claim involved, and then encouraged restoration and improvement, only to have the restoration or improvement later deemed inapropriate, and then having the restoration either halted, the entire building destroyed, and improvement ordered removed. It would seem the BLM is just like any other government agency in that they have learned full well how to waste money and manpower, whether using taxpayer dollars, donations, or volunteers.
As for there being "bigger fish to fry", there most certainly are. Government power needs to be reduced across the board, and government budgets and employees need to be cut across the board as well. However, this particular thread pertains merely to the nearly $12 million building soon to be built, and necessity of same. I assert that the necessity for such building is dubious at best, and is a symptom of rampant government growth, which needs to be curtailed.
As for you wish that either CNN or MSNBC pick up the story, keep dreaming. If there were to be any coordinated public reporting concerning the issue, it would be Fox News that would do it. They are the only national news outlet without a pro-big government bias.
Hats off for you to find out that information. I follow the news from a variety of sources. Not to an extreme but I think I'm fairly informed. So this information has been kept well under wraps. I will just have to take your word for the abuses. I thought you would want to go with FOX news network but they cant be trusted. How about something like 60 minutes, dateline, 20/20? But if we cant sell this to them, we'll have to go with FOX as last resort.

I have been to the field ofice once to get a map that I purchased and met with an archeologist who marked some of the better sites to see. Very friendly and helpful. Now, do they need a full time archeologist or three or ten I dont know. But we do have these sites here and do probably need attention. You could probably run the whole thing out of old pick ups and second hand trailers, with records at various temporary building scattered about, but Im not sure I even want that kind of an image of our government when were able to spend $1M per minute to sustain the military empire.

I could see this. "uhh your gas drilling lease was in Bills truck and it got stuck in the mud yesterday and destroyed in a flash flood. Sorry, you'll need to go find Sarah, she's somewhere out in gobernador today to start the new process". LOL
C Lee Nickel

Albuquerque, NM

#26 Apr 27, 2010
ephotonic wrote:
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Hats off for you to find out that information. I follow the news from a variety of sources. Not to an extreme but I think I'm fairly informed. So this information has been kept well under wraps. I will just have to take your word for the abuses. I thought you would want to go with FOX news network but they cant be trusted. How about something like 60 minutes, dateline, 20/20? But if we cant sell this to them, we'll have to go with FOX as last resort.
I have been to the field ofice once to get a map that I purchased and met with an archeologist who marked some of the better sites to see. Very friendly and helpful. Now, do they need a full time archeologist or three or ten I dont know. But we do have these sites here and do probably need attention. You could probably run the whole thing out of old pick ups and second hand trailers, with records at various temporary building scattered about, but Im not sure I even want that kind of an image of our government when were able to spend $1M per minute to sustain the military empire.
I could see this. "uhh your gas drilling lease was in Bills truck and it got stuck in the mud yesterday and destroyed in a flash flood. Sorry, you'll need to go find Sarah, she's somewhere out in gobernador today to start the new process". LOL
Wow, for someone who claims to stay fairly well informed, you sure appear to be behind the times when it comes to e-commuting, computer databases, and the world-wide web. How do you think the field officers who are scattered over thousands of miles of backcountry transfer information to the main office? Do you think they file paper reports in person every day? And who was talking about old pickups? Ever see the inside of a BLM law enforcment truck? If you had, you would see there is nothing old about them. They have the most modern computer set ups, with GPS linked up to mapping software, database access, etc. Much like any other law enforcement vehicle. I have no problem with that. They should have the most up to date technology at hand.

As for any information being "kept under wraps", not so at all. If you care to look. But I don't expect you to find anything you would consider a "smoking gun" with your pro-big government stance, which would likely blind you to the situations at hand. Here's a couple hints, though: Check into "Public Lands for the People", or the the BLM's "Adopt-A-Cabin" program. Another hint, cultivate relationships with the principles involved for a decade or so, as I have. Visit the sites involved, which I do on a recreational basis every few years. Often the sites have logbooks which detail the involvement of the people who are closest to the situation, then check into what is reported with others. Often times, the principles involved know each other. Oftentimes, there are BLM employees who are sympathetic to the public right to know, who will impart information on the subject. Check into the case of the White Swan Mine, though it's a done deal now, and the mining camp was razed by the BLM a couple of years ago. I know the owner of the claim, visited the site before and after the demolition, and have spoken with the head of the BLM office involved in the destruction of it and other sites.

Going even further, check into the treatment of ranchers, miners and mining claims by the National Park Service over the decades. Read about how through the last 3 or 4 decades the NPS destroyed myriad historic sites, at taxpayer expense, and now spends taxpayer money restoring, rebuilding, and maintaining the few sites that escaped their past "reign of terror". Read about how forcing ranchers out of the Mojave National Preserve created the conditions resulting in the largest wildfires in the area's history, which included the destruction of several historic sites, and lead to the transfer of the Preserve's superintendent to another NPS location, under suspicion of mis-management.
C Lee Nickel

Albuquerque, NM

#27 Apr 27, 2010
Unfortunately wrote:
<quoted text>
you can't read and love to go off on insults and tangents.
Of course I've been there and to other field offices. They need more people in the field. They are understaffed and thus necessary work is conducted by contractors. What you call "shuffling papers" is the evaluation of work being done to support permitting and their other missions. In other words taking care of the public lands and managing the resources on behalf of the people. It is a lie to say that the BLM believes they have adequate law enforcement or environmental compliance staff. That may be some kind of political posture, but I've never heard anyone even hint at that at the field office level - quite the opposite.
And therein lies yet another problem with the big government you so love: Political posturing.

Rather than political posturing, how about our government being honest for a change?

Furthermore, you are operating under the misguided assumption that just because the work is being done by government, that it is somehow "necessary". This simply is not the case. However I do not expect a proponent of big government like yourself to understand that.

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#28 Apr 28, 2010
C Lee Nickel wrote:
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Wow, for someone who claims to stay fairly well informed, you sure appear to be behind the times when it comes to e-commuting, computer databases, and the world-wide web. How do you think the field officers who are scattered over thousands of miles of backcountry transfer information to the main office? Do you think they file paper reports in person every day? And who was talking about old pickups? Ever see the inside of a BLM law enforcment truck? If you had, you would see there is nothing old about them. They have the most modern computer set ups, with GPS linked up to mapping software, database access, etc. Much like any other law enforcement vehicle. I have no problem with that. They should have the most up to date technology at hand.
As for any information being "kept under wraps", not so at all. If you care to look. But I don't expect you to find anything you would consider a "smoking gun" with your pro-big government stance, which would likely blind you to the situations at hand. Here's a couple hints, though: Check into "Public Lands for the People", or the the BLM's "Adopt-A-Cabin" program. Another hint, cultivate relationships with the principles involved for a decade or so, as I have. Visit the sites involved, which I do on a recreational basis every few years. Often the sites have logbooks which detail the involvement of the people who are closest to the situation, then check into what is reported with others. Often times, the principles involved know each other. Oftentimes, there are BLM employees who are sympathetic to the public right to know, who will impart information on the subject. Check into the case of the White Swan Mine, though it's a done deal now, and the mining camp was razed by the BLM a couple of years ago. I know the owner of the claim, visited the site before and after the demolition, and have spoken with the head of the BLM office involved in the destruction of it and other sites.
Going even further, check into the treatment of ranchers, miners and mining claims by the National Park Service over the decades. Read about how through the last 3 or 4 decades the NPS destroyed myriad historic sites, at taxpayer expense, and now spends taxpayer money restoring, rebuilding, and maintaining the few sites that escaped their past "reign of terror". Read about how forcing ranchers out of the Mojave National Preserve created the conditions resulting in the largest wildfires in the area's history, which included the destruction of several historic sites, and lead to the transfer of the Preserve's superintendent to another NPS location, under suspicion of mis-management.
Yup, just a taxpaying citizen trying to do my best. I just read the papers, watch some news, read some stuff on line, probably a little more than the average american. As I said, Im no expert, like you on BLM day to day operations.

Am I pro big government, no, just pro, GET THE JOB DONE. I do think the BLM has a legitimate job to do with competing interests. Im sure somebody gets pssd off between extraction needs and conservation needs.

If the need for a new building is a big lie, well, at least we will have a nice new building and it will get used. Im sure we will get more value from it than protecting Saudi Oil interests, or chineese shipping lanes for a couple hours, or padding some bankers salaries.

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