NM jury finds dancer's rights were vi...

NM jury finds dancer's rights were violated

There are 19 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Dec 9, 2009, titled NM jury finds dancer's rights were violated. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

A stripper's constitutional rights were violated during a police search according to a verdict handed down by a jury in U.S. District Court in Albuquerque.

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INFIDEL

Socorro, NM

#1 Dec 9, 2009
Did the police suspect that she had financial records shoved up her #%**+?

“Stop Puppy Mills”

Since: Apr 09

Detroit

#3 Dec 9, 2009
This story doesn't tell alot. Yes, I think everyone has rights, regardless of their job. The question here is what is this story trying to say, why were the women being searched?
I am sure this police officer had good reasons to search them, but what are they?!
Tyler

Las Cruces, NM

#4 Dec 9, 2009
WTF? What kind of search. If it was unreasonable, something more than "they were searched" probably happened. MORE DETAILS!
BLCNM

Los Alamos, NM

#6 Dec 9, 2009
It would have been nice to have a summary from the 2006 story to understand this story. Was it a search warrant for drugs, etc.

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#7 Dec 10, 2009
um they are strippers....what could they possibly be hiding in what little they wear???

on that same note...was it a strip search? i am not trying to make light of the situation, but honestly if you take what i am suggesting literally then the officer did violate her rights.

how can you possibly have probable cause to search a naked person? the officer in court would say, "i have reason to believe she was hiding a weapon." and a reasonable person would have to ask "where, she's practically naked..."

now some small amount of drugs hiding down the butt crack who knows...point is the officer had to see it before he "assumed" or had "probable cause" to search her.

the search warrant has to clearly state what places or things can be searched and oftimes the words "plain sight" are used so if they went outside the parameters of the warrant then yes her rights were violated.
Uncle Bobby From Way back

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Dec 10, 2009
DeeSee wrote:
This story doesn't tell alot. Yes, I think everyone has rights, regardless of their job. The question here is what is this story trying to say, why were the women being searched?
I am sure this police officer had good reasons to search them, but what are they?!
No, they didnít have a good reason. So says the jury. That is what juries are about in this country. Our nation just has too many sheep these days and not enough patriots; too many ready to let the government, especially our police; and not enough ready to defend our constitution. The police too regularly and too routinely violate our rights. I have personally listened to police brag how they ignored the 4th amendment. It is scary.
Army of One

Rio Rancho, NM

#9 Dec 10, 2009
Duhh, it was a STRIP SEARCH! So they should have been allowed to put their clothes on... then searched.
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#10 Dec 10, 2009
An officer with the same level of curiosity as testosterone and low and behold, using his position to further advance his agenda all under the guise of "I was simply doing my job". For the rest of us this is called sexual assault, no double standard there huh? The courts allow this behavior from cops and that is why we are going to see it get much worse with time folks, we are rapidly becoming a police state...oh wait, we have been there.

Remember, when the right of one of us is taken it affects all of us, so get off of your pretentious
perches and start standing up to this outrageous behavior sponsored by our so-called justice system.

We all need to stop being the good little sheep we have become and stand up to such garbage. These fools have conveniently forgot the preamble to the Constitution..."WE THE PEOPLE"...
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#11 Dec 10, 2009
DeeSee wrote:
This story doesn't tell alot. Yes, I think everyone has rights, regardless of their job. The question here is what is this story trying to say, why were the women being searched?
I am sure this police officer had good reasons to search them, but what are they?!
What makes you so sure the police had "good reason" to search her? Have you ever been in a courtroom when the four corners of a warrant was attacked as to whether probable cause exists or if the information being relied on for the warrant is itself credible? I suggest sitting in on a few pretrial hearings and you will be surprised at the mere crap that is spewed to get a search warrant. Occasionally a cop is spanked because it is proven by the defense that he has lied to get a warrant and then he loses credibility as a matter of law. Stop being a good little sheep and thinking the boys in blue are without fault for their actions.
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#12 Dec 10, 2009
KUDOS to the New Mexico jury!!!! Can you clone them and send them to every state in this nation? PLEASE
Dumb

Los Alamos, NM

#13 Dec 10, 2009
A jury gives a bunch of money to strippers for standing around with almost no clothes on. Way to go Jury tip the prostitutes. The police have no rights in this state and in return when you are a victim you also have no rights. The criminals have all kinds of rights. Drug dealers are moving to this state in droves because they have almost no chance of getting arrested without it being thrown out of court. Hey lets tip them also. This state has lots of money to give away.

“Stop Puppy Mills”

Since: Apr 09

Detroit

#14 Dec 10, 2009
juswondering wrote:
<quoted text>What makes you so sure the police had "good reason" to search her? Have you ever been in a courtroom when the four corners of a warrant was attacked as to whether probable cause exists or if the information being relied on for the warrant is itself credible? I suggest sitting in on a few pretrial hearings and you will be surprised at the mere crap that is spewed to get a search warrant. Occasionally a cop is spanked because it is proven by the defense that he has lied to get a warrant and then he loses credibility as a matter of law. Stop being a good little sheep and thinking the boys in blue are without fault for their actions.
Please do not refer to me as a good little sheep. That is a condescending attitude. I was merely asking a question. Are you saying that these strippers (I have nothing against them) are upright citizens that were doing nothing, but standing around when they were searched. I don't think so, as I said before, there has to be a reason for the police to do this. Yes, there are a few bad apples, but I firmly believe the good outweigh the bad.

“Stop Puppy Mills”

Since: Apr 09

Detroit

#15 Dec 10, 2009
Uncle Bobby From Way back wrote:
<quoted text>
No, they didnít have a good reason. So says the jury. That is what juries are about in this country. Our nation just has too many sheep these days and not enough patriots; too many ready to let the government, especially our police; and not enough ready to defend our constitution. The police too regularly and too routinely violate our rights. I have personally listened to police brag how they ignored the 4th amendment. It is scary.
Again, I was not commenting on the jury, I was asking for more information from the story. It left out alot of details. I question everything that does not have the full details. It does not matter to me if the story was from the strippers point of view or the police officers. I felt there were many things left out of the story. Asking a question does not make me less patriotic, nor does it make me a sheep.
markymark

United States

#16 Dec 11, 2009
In these current times,I'm proud the ladies took the initiative to secure their financial futures.Looks like cops wanted to tax that a-s-s,just like Denzel in "Training Day".
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#17 Dec 11, 2009
DeeSee wrote:
<quoted text>
Please do not refer to me as a good little sheep. That is a condescending attitude. I was merely asking a question. Are you saying that these strippers (I have nothing against them) are upright citizens that were doing nothing, but standing around when they were searched. I don't think so, as I said before, there has to be a reason for the police to do this. Yes, there are a few bad apples, but I firmly believe the good outweigh the bad.
Ok Ok, I apologize for referring to you as a good little sheep. I personally do not care if the strippers were laying on their backs with legs perched towards the heavens, the police still must have a VALID basis for a search warrant to issue, not one based on lies or conjecture. The good outweigh the bad? Are you kidding me, tell me you are not that naive!

I have many times come across people with your go along get along attitude towards cops until they have been violated, then we hear cries loud and clear "how can they do that, i didn't know they were like that"... I don't believe you are stupid but you have a great deal to learn about our great system. I will not engage in arguing with you, I simply ask that you and all citizens get into the courtrooms and sit through some of the proceedings and tell me your view after doing so. I submit to you, you will not have the same attitude towards the boys in blue whom I am convinced are trained to "test a lie".

Have an open mind and do not follow the many off the cliff.

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#18 Dec 11, 2009
juswondering wrote:
<quoted text>Ok Ok, I apologize for referring to you as a good little sheep. I personally do not care if the strippers were laying on their backs with legs perched towards the heavens, the police still must have a VALID basis for a search warrant to issue, not one based on lies or conjecture. The good outweigh the bad? Are you kidding me, tell me you are not that naive!
I have many times come across people with your go along get along attitude towards cops until they have been violated, then we hear cries loud and clear "how can they do that, i didn't know they were like that"... I don't believe you are stupid but you have a great deal to learn about our great system. I will not engage in arguing with you, I simply ask that you and all citizens get into the courtrooms and sit through some of the proceedings and tell me your view after doing so. I submit to you, you will not have the same attitude towards the boys in blue whom I am convinced are trained to "test a lie".
Have an open mind and do not follow the many off the cliff.
actually just pay attention to the news and see how many prosecutors have come under fire. cops violate their oaths all the time and it's "testilie" "testilying" :D i know what you mean.

what's sad about the whole thing is perjury is only an offense with the accused. the witnesses, the prosecutors, and the officers can LIE all they want to and never face any type of punishment. maybe a verbal reprimand from the judge, but their job or incaceration or a civil suit...nope they get to enjoy "absolute immunity" most of the time. see they have to get caught violating a person's constitutional rights and it has to be clear and convincing evidence. not just spoken word. the legal system is built to serve one group of people - prosecutors.

they are a class unto themselves. as i said in another thread there is no such thing as equal protection.

“Stop Puppy Mills”

Since: Apr 09

Detroit

#19 Dec 13, 2009
juswondering wrote:
<quoted text>Ok Ok, I apologize for referring to you as a good little sheep. I personally do not care if the strippers were laying on their backs with legs perched towards the heavens, the police still must have a VALID basis for a search warrant to issue, not one based on lies or conjecture. The good outweigh the bad? Are you kidding me, tell me you are not that naive!
I have many times come across people with your go along get along attitude towards cops until they have been violated, then we hear cries loud and clear "how can they do that, i didn't know they were like that"... I don't believe you are stupid but you have a great deal to learn about our great system. I will not engage in arguing with you, I simply ask that you and all citizens get into the courtrooms and sit through some of the proceedings and tell me your view after doing so. I submit to you, you will not have the same attitude towards the boys in blue whom I am convinced are trained to "test a lie".
Have an open mind and do not follow the many off the cliff.
Juswondering, if you knew me you would know that I am the type to question everything, and definitely do not follow any type of crowd ever. As far as the police go, well I have been on both sides when dealing with the police. Yes, some police officers do go a little far, but it appears to me you think that all go to far; and that is just not fair or reasonable. I firmly believe the majority of them try to do their job fairly. Yes, I personally have been burned by a police officer, but do not hold it against all. I have also been burned in love, but that did not make me bitter towards it. One shouldn't think one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.
stripper rights

Albuquerque, NM

#20 Mar 4, 2010
I am a personal friend to one of the strippers involved in the lawsuit. I give them all props. Not only did they stand up for their rights, but were in the press. For four years, their lives were on hold and their names were known by the police and made employment difficult for them.

“Stop Puppy Mills”

Since: Apr 09

Detroit

#21 Mar 4, 2010
stripper rights wrote:
I am a personal friend to one of the strippers involved in the lawsuit. I give them all props. Not only did they stand up for their rights, but were in the press. For four years, their lives were on hold and their names were known by the police and made employment difficult for them.
The story wasn't clear on why they were searched. Why where they searched. Most of all if they were innocent, did they get the justice they deserved?

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