Nation's health care crisis squeezes jobs, economy

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Granny

AOL

#1 Sep 2, 2007
The only feasible solution I can see is that we will have to go to where the jobs are, since they are not coming to us. Either that, or be willing to re-train in healthcare, food preparation, or other fields where there is always a shortage. I do not see production jobs, as we know them,ever coming back to the mountains.My children do not want to move out of the mountains, but I believe it will be a have-to situation, if they want decent jobs. It is a no-win situation, since uprooting families is a heart-wrenching problem. We cannot make jobs come to us, so going where the jobs are is a no-brainer.
OUTSPOKEN

Franklin, NC

#3 Sep 2, 2007
The county leaders should have been on top of this problem several years ago because we are in a state of never ending change. Not many people have job security and the workers spoke about in this article are just a part of the big circle.
A lot of the problem could have been solved by the county leaders and the workers.
REDNECK IN SPAIN

Santander, Spain

#4 Sep 2, 2007
Granny wrote:
The only feasible solution I can see is that we will have to go to where the jobs are, since they are not coming to us. Either that, or be willing to re-train in healthcare, food preparation, or other fields where there is always a shortage. I do not see production jobs, as we know them,ever coming back to the mountains.My children do not want to move out of the mountains, but I believe it will be a have-to situation, if they want decent jobs. It is a no-win situation, since uprooting families is a heart-wrenching problem. We cannot make jobs come to us, so going where the jobs are is a no-brainer.
GRANNY:

YOU MAKE A POINT THAT HITS HOME. HOPEFULLY, WE WONīT ALL HAVE TO MOVE TO MEXICO TO FIND JOBS IN THE PLANTS THAT HAVE RELOCATED THERE! I WONDER HOW ILLEGAL AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS WOULD FARE SOUTH OF THE BORDER?

UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE MUST BE ENACTED TO INSURE A ROBUST FUTURE FOR BOTH AMERICAN WORKERS AND INDUSTRY. THE US SPENDS OVER TWO TIMES THAT OF OTHER INDUSTRIAL COUNTRIES ON HEALTHCARE WITH LOWER HEALTH OUTCOMES IN MANY CASES INCLUDING LENGTH OF LIFE. MOVING TO A SINGLE PAYOR SYSTEM WILL REDUCE COSTS, REDUCE THIS EXPENSIVE COST FOR EMPLOYERS, AND ALLOW US TO COVER THE UNINSURED FOR WHAT WE ARE NOW PAYING FOR HEALTHCARE. ITīS A NO BRAINER! IN AN ERA WHEN GOOD MANUFACTURING JOBS WITH HEALTH INSURANCE ARE BEING REPLACED BY SERVICE JOBS WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDIZED HEALTH INSURANCE, THE TIME HAS NOW COME TO PASS A UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN WITH A SINGLE PAYOR THAT WILL MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR ALL FOR A MUCH LOWER COST TO ALL OF US.
susan boyer

Chester, SC

#5 Sep 2, 2007
It's not politically correct to say so, but has it occurred to anyone that unions (and their insatiable and unrealistic demands) have played a major role in driving manufacturing jobs out of the mountains, indeed out of the US? When an unskilled laborer on a factory production line can make $35 an hour plus benefits, sooner or later this house of cards will collapse from the weight of over regulation and inflated salaries.
Granny

AOL

#6 Sep 2, 2007
Dear Mr. Redneck: It scares me to think that the US government will oversee healthcare.
Also, Ms. Boyer: I agree with you about unions.
They make it sound like heaven on earth to join a union, but people who know understand that it's "The Dues, Stupid!" Everything the unions get comes from the employer.
Redneck in Spain

Spain

#7 Sep 3, 2007
susan boyer wrote:
It's not politically correct to say so, but has it occurred to anyone that unions (and their insatiable and unrealistic demands) have played a major role in driving manufacturing jobs out of the mountains, indeed out of the US? When an unskilled laborer on a factory production line can make $35 an hour plus benefits, sooner or later this house of cards will collapse from the weight of over regulation and inflated salaries.
Susan, the jobs that are being shipped overseas are mostly non-union jobs--not unions. The main reason that the jobs are being shipped overseas is greed--not the unions. The working and middle classes need a champion, and the unions are fighting for them. When companies ship jobs overseas for workers that make $2 a day in live in shacks, workers will lose both their union and non union jobs.
Granny, the current system is worse than a universal plan administered by private companies like the Medicare program. Healthcare is rationed in the US based on who has the most bucks. Does the US desire to ration healthcare for those with the most money or those with insurance? Your chances of dieing are significantly more if you do not have health insurance. In addition, we are paying up to two times more than other industrial countries for healthcare with lower quaility of care outcomes.
Granny

AOL

#8 Sep 3, 2007
I AM PAYING OVER $300.00 EACH MONTH FOR HEALTHCARE OUT OF A SMALL SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO MEDICARE INSURANCE.DISABLED OLDER AMERICANS CANNOT AFFORD TO BE WITHOUT INSURANCE,BUT COMPANIES PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH BILLS TO PAY; HOWEVER, WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT BILLS WE PAY. THE DAY IS COMING WHEN EUTHANASIA WILL BE PRACTICED UPON PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT 'PRODUCTIVE' MEMBERS OF SOCIETY.
Granny

AOL

#9 Sep 3, 2007
Mr. Redneck: The reason I feel the way I do about government controlled insurance: I received a phone call telling me not to forget my appointment for follow-up on my hip replacement. I tracked down the doctor's office and found that Medicare had paid several thousand dollars for a surgery I did not have. Trying to correct this has been a nightmare, and Medicare has yet to answer me on this. Wbat if I have to have a hip replacement? Will Medicare pay again? Who knows?
Meredith

Asheville, NC

#10 Sep 4, 2007
The only jobs that are certain to remain in WNC for the next 20 yrs are those in tourism and healthcare.
Bitter EX democrackkk

Morganton, NC

#11 Sep 4, 2007
Healthcare is NOT a function of our government. Companies are NOT required to supply health insurance. Healthcare IS an INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! The government dont pay your car insurance, so WHY should they PAY your health insurance???
Strive to be smarter than a democrackkk...they keep us ALL oppressed.

“Why do ya need to know that?”

Since: Feb 07

Leicester

#12 Sep 4, 2007
There are good paying "factory" jobs in this area with affordable benefits. One has to look beyond their front yard for them, however. But, they are here.
Bologna

Oronoco, MN

#13 Sep 5, 2007
dumb site cant find the answers for my paper!~!!
Observer

Morganton, NC

#14 Sep 5, 2007
Granny wrote:
The only feasible solution I can see is that we will have to go to where the jobs are, since they are not coming to us. Either that, or be willing to re-train in healthcare, food preparation, or other fields where there is always a shortage. I do not see production jobs, as we know them,ever coming back to the mountains.My children do not want to move out of the mountains, but I believe it will be a have-to situation, if they want decent jobs. It is a no-win situation, since uprooting families is a heart-wrenching problem. We cannot make jobs come to us, so going where the jobs are is a no-brainer.
Thats the logical solution, but locals dont like to hear that...
Observer

Morganton, NC

#15 Sep 5, 2007
REDNECK IN SPAIN wrote:
<quoted text>
GRANNY:
YOU MAKE A POINT THAT HITS HOME. HOPEFULLY, WE WONīT ALL HAVE TO MOVE TO MEXICO TO FIND JOBS IN THE PLANTS THAT HAVE RELOCATED THERE! I WONDER HOW ILLEGAL AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS WOULD FARE SOUTH OF THE BORDER?
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE MUST BE ENACTED TO INSURE A ROBUST FUTURE FOR BOTH AMERICAN WORKERS AND INDUSTRY. THE US SPENDS OVER TWO TIMES THAT OF OTHER INDUSTRIAL COUNTRIES ON HEALTHCARE WITH LOWER HEALTH OUTCOMES IN MANY CASES INCLUDING LENGTH OF LIFE. MOVING TO A SINGLE PAYOR SYSTEM WILL REDUCE COSTS, REDUCE THIS EXPENSIVE COST FOR EMPLOYERS, AND ALLOW US TO COVER THE UNINSURED FOR WHAT WE ARE NOW PAYING FOR HEALTHCARE. ITīS A NO BRAINER! IN AN ERA WHEN GOOD MANUFACTURING JOBS WITH HEALTH INSURANCE ARE BEING REPLACED BY SERVICE JOBS WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDIZED HEALTH INSURANCE, THE TIME HAS NOW COME TO PASS A UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN WITH A SINGLE PAYOR THAT WILL MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR ALL FOR A MUCH LOWER COST TO ALL OF US.
the government is NOT here to provide your healthcare, its a personal responsibility.
Observer

Morganton, NC

#16 Sep 5, 2007
susan boyer wrote:
It's not politically correct to say so, but has it occurred to anyone that unions (and their insatiable and unrealistic demands) have played a major role in driving manufacturing jobs out of the mountains, indeed out of the US? When an unskilled laborer on a factory production line can make $35 an hour plus benefits, sooner or later this house of cards will collapse from the weight of over regulation and inflated salaries.
oh, that 'cant' be true...unions are for the american workers, right?

“"We have come too far, ”

Since: Apr 07

Corinth, Texas

#17 Sep 5, 2007
Granny wrote:
Mr. Redneck: The reason I feel the way I do about government controlled insurance: I received a phone call telling me not to forget my appointment for follow-up on my hip replacement. I tracked down the doctor's office and found that Medicare had paid several thousand dollars for a surgery I did not have. Trying to correct this has been a nightmare, and Medicare has yet to answer me on this. Wbat if I have to have a hip replacement? Will Medicare pay again? Who knows?
Granny and you want an even bigger boondoggle created to run (ruin) our health system nation wide. They can't even run medicare and medicaide. Just think Granny how many more cases they could screw up if everyone was on the government dole for medical care. I hate to think about it Granny.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#18 Sep 11, 2007
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
oh, that 'cant' be true...unions are for the american workers, right?
Are there any unions anywhere in this state? I understand it is a so called right to work state.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#19 Sep 15, 2007
"The Physicians' Proposal

We endorse a fundamental change in America's health care - the creation of a comprehensive National Health Insurance (NHI) Program. Such a program - which in essence would be an expanded and improved version of Medicare - would cover every American for all necessary medical care."

The following abstract is given in a pdf file which you must enlarge a bit to read.

http://www.pnhp.org/physiciansproposal/propos ...

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